Aaron Sanchez and Biagini Traded to Astros for Derek Fisher

[BTS]

Again, you're using starting data to translate to bullpen performance, which doesn't apply equally to all starters. Take some of the very best relievers in the league, like Dellin Betances, Liam Hendriks, and Brad Hand and predict their numbers as full-time starters. In fact we don't even have to make predictions since they were all bad starters which is how they became ace relievers in the first place.

 

Sanchez is a terrible SP and will most likely stay somewhere between terrible and bad. However, to the original premise, I would have an extremely difficult time non-tendering Sanchez based exclusively on his performance as a SP without even trying him out of the pen.

 

For every bad starter who becomes a high end reliever a lot of bad starters just flame out of the majors. I don't think it's obvious that Sanchez goes from true talent 5 ERA starter to high-end reliever (true talent 3.2ish ERA?). There are a lot of warts there, and several of them would have to be ironed out for him to be a high end reliever.

 

That said, I agree with the premise of this post of yours: I've posted in the past about wanting to see what he looks like in 1-inning appearances, and have been wanting the team to try him in that role for a long time. I just don't think it's likely that the result is a high end reliever, and I certainly don't think that's his floor.

[L54]

this sounds a lot sexier than Fisher crushes a 91.7 mph 4 seam fastball right down the middle of the plate.

 

What do you propose hitters do with mistakes?

[L54]

Sanchez sucks and saskjaysfan will never give up on his crush

[Bobthe4th]

Sanchez has a pectoral muscle injury. If the Astros use him again this season it should be as a reliever. Difficult to commit to him in the rotation when he’s plagued by injuries.

[Orgfiller]

Sanchez has a pectoral muscle injury. If the Astros use him again this season it should be as a reliever. Difficult to commit to him in the rotation when he’s plagued by injuries.

 

I'd say it's more difficult to commit to him because he really blows.

[EastCoaster]

Sanchez has a pectoral muscle injury. If the Astros use him again this season it should be as a reliever. Difficult to commit to him in the rotation when he’s plagued by injuries.

 

Sanchez has been dealing with a pectoral strain for about 3 weeks now he had when he was with the Blue Jays. The Astros has probably got the best pitching coach in the MLB right now in Brent Strom he like Sanchez's secondary stuff because it has a high spin rate he feels that they had Sanchez relying too much on his fastballs as his primary pitches. He wants to transform him into using his secondary stuff with the occasional fastball mixed in he claims Sanchez could be a game changer for the Astros in their rotation. Sanchez isn't going nowhere he'll be in the rotation till season end Strom wants to see this kid succeed under his tutelage.

[saskjayfan]

Sanchez sucks and saskjaysfan will never give up on his crush

 

 

I wasn't at all concerned with losing Sanchez. I couldn't care less. I didn't want to lose stroman. I laugh at the crush people have on Shatkins thinking Fisher is more than a 4th outfielder.

[Krylian]

I wasn't at all concerned with losing Sanchez. I couldn't care less. I didn't want to lose stroman. I laugh at the crush people have on Shatkins thinking Fisher is more than a 4th outfielder.

 

There's a difference between what we think will happen and what we hope will happen. The odds are high that a 4th outfield is what Fisher will be. But the potential is there for him to be more. That's what we're hoping for.

[Spanky99]

Sanchez has been dealing with a pectoral strain for about 3 weeks now he had when he was with the Blue Jays. The Astros has probably got the best pitching coach in the MLB right now in Brent Strom he like Sanchez's secondary stuff because it has a high spin rate he feels that they had Sanchez relying too much on his fastballs as his primary pitches. He wants to transform him into using his secondary stuff with the occasional fastball mixed in he claims Sanchez could be a game changer for the Astros in their rotation. Sanchez isn't going nowhere he'll be in the rotation till season end Strom wants to see this kid succeed under his tutelage.

 

Had a chat with Strom did you?

[EastCoaster]

Had a chat with Strom did you?

 

Didn't have too if you broaden your intellectual outside the realm of the Blue Jays you might actually have a clue on what going on in the baseball world.

[Spanky99]

Didn't have too if you broaden your intellectual outside the realm of the Blue Jays you might actually have a clue on what going on in the baseball world.

 

Show me where Strom is quoted saying that, please. I believe I know a lot more about what's going on in the baseball world than yourself mate, I have baseball on all the time (watched 3 games so far today), in several deep fantasy leagues with prospects etc, anyhow lets see where Strom says that?

[Pendleton]

Show me where Strom is quoted saying that, please. I believe I know a lot more about what's going on in the baseball world than yourself mate, I have baseball on all the time (watched 3 games so far today), in several deep fantasy leagues with prospects etc, anyhow lets see where Strom says that?

 

Broaden your intellectual Spanky

[Spanky99]

Broaden your intellectual Spanky

 

Nah, my intellect on beisbol already hurts my brain.

[EastCoaster]

Show me where Strom is quoted saying that, please. I believe I know a lot more about what's going on in the baseball world than yourself mate, I have baseball on all the time (watched 3 games so far today), in several deep fantasy leagues with prospects etc, anyhow lets see where Strom says that?

 

Well it doesn't look like so in this case does it. Watching baseball doesn't make you a baseball guru you need to read more about the different teams. If you know so much you why didn't you report it and why everyone was so surprised on here when the Astros put Sanchez in rotation rather than the bullpen. What about the pectoral strain no word from you why. I'm not ready to go spend half the evening trying to copy and paste links to every article I've read in the past few weeks. Answer me this why did the Astros target Sanchez?

[Spanky99]

Well it doesn't look like so in this case does it. Watching baseball doesn't make you a baseball guru you need to read more about the different teams. If you know so much you why didn't you report it and why everyone was so surprised on here when the Astros put Sanchez in rotation rather than the bullpen. What about the pectoral strain no word from you why. I'm not ready to go spend half the evening trying to copy and paste links to every article I've read in the past few weeks. Answer me this why did the Astros target Sanchez?

 

So what you're saying is you're full of s***, again, making s*** up. I read baseball news everyday? Who cares that Sanchez went on the DL, it was posted on here last night, and I read the article. I posted a link in here about the 5th spot in the Stros was either going to be Peacock or Sanchez directly to you, lol. As for the latter, spin rate.

 

I'm not questioning what everyone already knows, I'm questioning you on this... "he feels that they had Sanchez relying too much on his fastballs as his primary pitches. He wants to transform him into using his secondary stuff with the occasional fastball mixed in he claims Sanchez could be a game changer for the Astros in their rotation. Sanchez isn't going nowhere he'll be in the rotation till season end Strom wants to see this kid succeed under his tutelage." Where the f*** did he say this, all I'm asking for is a link, so I can broaden my intellectual baseball acumen, man?

[EastCoaster]

So what you're saying is you're full of s***, again, making s*** up. I read baseball news everyday? Who cares that Sanchez went on the DL, it was posted on here last night, and I read the article. I posted a link in here about the 5th spot in the Stros was either going to be Peacock or Sanchez directly to you, lol. As for the latter, spin rate.

 

I'm not questioning what everyone already knows, I'm questioning you on this... "he feels that they had Sanchez relying too much on his fastballs as his primary pitches. He wants to transform him into using his secondary stuff with the occasional fastball mixed in he claims Sanchez could be a game changer for the Astros in their rotation. Sanchez isn't going nowhere he'll be in the rotation till season end Strom wants to see this kid succeed under his tutelage." Where the f*** did he say this, all I'm asking for is a link, so I can broaden my intellectual baseball acumen, man?

 

Let's see how much you really follow baseball what will be Astros's move?

[Spanky99]

Let's see how much you really follow baseball what will be Astros's move?

 

lol... WAT? I see no link, made that s*** up. By move, you mean the rotation spot? It'll be one of Armenteros/Urquidy or Valdez.

[Deadpool]

Well it doesn't look like so in this case does it. Watching baseball doesn't make you a baseball guru you need to read more about the different teams. If you know so much you why didn't you report it and why everyone was so surprised on here when the Astros put Sanchez in rotation rather than the bullpen. What about the pectoral strain no word from you why. I'm not ready to go spend half the evening trying to copy and paste links to every article I've read in the past few weeks. Answer me this why did the Astros target Sanchez?

 

Remember when people thought I was being an ******* to this guy for no good reason? Good times...

[Boxcar]

Sanchez has been dealing with a pectoral strain for about 3 weeks now he had when he was with the Blue Jays. The Astros has probably got the best pitching coach in the MLB right now in Brent Strom he like Sanchez's secondary stuff because it has a high spin rate he feels that they had Sanchez relying too much on his fastballs as his primary pitches. He wants to transform him into using his secondary stuff with the occasional fastball mixed in he claims Sanchez could be a game changer for the Astros in their rotation. Sanchez isn't going nowhere he'll be in the rotation till season end Strom wants to see this kid succeed under his tutelage.

 

I thought their pitching coach was some kind of epoxy glue

[saskjayfan]

Let's see how much you really follow baseball what will be Astros's move?

 

Spanky lives for baseball. The guy dreams about baseball. He wakes up and is like where's the corn field and what the f*** happened to Shoeless Joe. That's how much Spanky loves baseball. He actually watches the games, and likely played pretty competitive ball himself. He's very well versed on all the happenings in Major League Baseball.

 

As far as Sanchez goes, I've commented numerous times watching him that his curve ball looks better this year than it's ever looked before. However, his fastball is hot garbage. There's less movement, significantly less velocity with zero command.

 

In order for Sanchez to be a game changer for the Astro's he's basically got to be a top 3 rotational arm. The Stros are a lock for the division so the regular season doesn't matter. Who are you getting rid of? Verlander, Cole or Greinke? I highly doubt Sanchez would take Miley's spot, and you're talking about a guy who most likely gets one post season start limited to 4 or 5 innings. I don't think I would call this spot a game changer.

 

Sanchez for the Astro's is a guy who can transition to the bullpen for the post season. With max effort maybe his velocity on the fastball ticks up and he can use the curve ball a lot more. He can be a middle innings guy who could provide some value.

 

Sanchez needs to fix his fastball. That likely starts in the gym in the off season working on his strength and working on some mechanical adjustments. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he could turn things around next year as a starter, but the odds are not great. Sanchez only had one year of control so I understand moving him, I just would have rather targeted more pitching.

 

I'm all for bold opinions that go against the popular opinion, but this board if full of some of the most knowledgeable baseball nerds in Canada so be prepared the the backlash. I think you're out to lunch on this one, and I actually like Sanchez.

[EastCoaster]

lol... WAT? I see no link, made that s*** up. By move, you mean the rotation spot? It'll be one of Armenteros/Urquidy or Valdez.

 

Just as figured no response Yada Yada Yada. FYI the Astros recalled a rhp starting pitcher named Cy Sneed from AAA to fill that spot in the rotation. Now that should tell you a lot in case you can't figure it out they're keeping their bullpen intact so Sanchez is in the rotation for the Astros and will he'll take back his spot upon his return.

[Spanky99]

Just as figured no response Yada Yada Yada. FYI the Astros recalled a rhp starting pitcher named Cy Sneed from AAA to fill that spot in the rotation. Now that should tell you a lot in case you can't figure it out they're keeping their bullpen intact so Sanchez is in the rotation for the Astros and will he'll take back his spot upon his return.

 

lol... I responded, Cy Sneed is a reliever ya dingleberry. They don't need a SP until Sunday, in which it'll be one of the three I've already mentioned.

[Spanky99]

Remember when people thought I was being an ******* to this guy for no good reason? Good times...

 

He fabricates s*** all the time on top of real stories, very uncouth. Hurl caught him copy pasta a wiki post, lol.

[Deadpool]

He fabricates s*** all the time on top of real stories, very uncouth. Hurl caught him copy pasta a wiki post, lol.

 

He's also a smarmy douche about it.

[Todd Van Anus]

Sanchez has a pectoral muscle injury. If the Astros use him again this season it should be as a reliever. Difficult to commit to him in the rotation when he’s plagued by injuries.

I worked out with Aaron Sanchez once a while ago, and he lifts a crazy amount of weight on the bench press. If he's still doing that, it may be the reason for his constant pectoral injuries.

[vdartanian]

I worked out with Aaron Sanchez once a while ago, and he lifts a crazy amount of weight on the bench press. If he's still doing that, it may be the reason for his constant pectoral injuries.

[FrozenRopes]

I worked out with Aaron Sanchez once a while ago, and he lifts a crazy amount of weight on the bench press. If he's still doing that, it may be the reason for his constant pectoral injuries.

 

Which gym?

[Todd Van Anus]

Which gym?

 

It was in Florida a couple years ago.

[tbad]

Hi all. Haven't posted here in while (due being banned for not being a big enough cheerleader I think... honestly can't remember).

 

Noticed Fisher's bat as a Blue Jay has pretty much been the exact s*** you'd expect... 83 wRC+ 34.5% K... on a positive note, BABIP is very low (.185) and BB rate is good (12.1%)... is it possible he could be an above average hitter in his prime years (27-28 or so)?

[BTS]

Hi all. Haven't posted here in while (due being banned for not being a big enough cheerleader I think... honestly can't remember).

 

Noticed Fisher's bat as a Blue Jay has pretty much been the exact s*** you'd expect... 83 wRC+ 34.5% K... on a positive note, BABIP is very low (.185) and BB rate is good (12.1%)... is it possible he could be an above average hitter in his prime years (27-28 or so)?

 

You were banned because you said you were shitposting with the goal of being banned. The moderation team has been instructed to oblige self-requested bans.