Aaron Sanchez and Biagini Traded to Astros for Derek Fisher

[flafson]

Well.......he did catch it with his face

 

Pretty sure you need to record an out for it to be considered a catch.

[tazsub3]

Pretty sure you need to record an out for it to be considered a catch.

 

Front day 1 i said this is a horrible manegemnt group. For people that remember my posts, i am so thankful for the AA firing in hindsight, as i was so emotional and upset i cancelled my season tickets . Then picket up raptors tickets instead.

With the year i lived, i thank you from all my heart for hiring the worst management one can think off and for letting me be immature and emotional .

[wk680]

The pitch mix change wasn't huge in his first game. Went from 30% 4 seam, 30% sinker, 20% curve to basically 30% 4seam, 30% curve, 20% sinker.

 

Location of 4 seam was exclusively up I thought, but need to see the data.

 

He had a better start for us right before going to HOU so it remains to be seen if this small adjustment is a magical elixir. But lots of people on this board wanted more 4 seam / curve so it will be disappointing if he becomes viable by doing this and meanwhile, Pete Walker....

 

yeah it is ironic that a year ago everyone had their pitchforks directed at Brook Jacoby, but now the one key survivor of the previous coaching regime is on the hot seat

[BigCecil]

Atkins public spin:

 

- We have run some new models and believe that optimum OF defensive performance can be achieved via catching the ball with the face versus the glove.

 

- I'm thrilled for Aaron and Joe. They are great people and performed well for the Jays and we hope that every inning they pitch for Houston is hitless.

 

Atkins private comments to Shapiro:

 

- That blistered up f*** was useless for 3 years and we were going to non tender the prick.

 

- That f***ing nutjob Biagini hadn't pitched a hitless inning all season and he picks last night to do it. 6 inning no hits??

 

- On this roll Cal Stevenson is going to turn into Juan cocksucking Soto.

 

(its only one game but it does make me chuckle the irony of last night)

[Barkerfan23]

I wouldnt have traded Cal Stevenson straight up for Fisher

[Jimcanuck]

Sanchez has come close to a complete game no hitter a few times with the Jays. So last night is nothing new. What would be new is if he becomes anything other than maddeningly inconsistent.

[Deadpool]

I wouldnt have traded Cal Stevenson straight up for Fisher

 

I would have, easily.

 

I'd have traded any one piece individually for Fisher, and probably Stevenson + either other piece for Fisher. I just feel it was a poor use of assets to move all 3 for just him.

[Bobthe4th]

I would have, easily.

 

I'd have traded any one piece individually for Fisher, and probably Stevenson + either other piece for Fisher. I just feel it was a poor use of assets to move all 3 for just him.

 

The thing is, Sanchez traded at the deadline can justifiably be seen as a negative asset. So if you believe he is done as a MLB player, then it’s an OK trade. Personally I don’t think he’s done, but plenty of posters here do.

[Krylian]

I wouldnt have traded Cal Stevenson straight up for Fisher

 

Thank god you have no say in personnel decisions

[tercet]

Sanchez sucks, saw some of the game yesterday he was getting away with so many cookie fastballs, and u idiots think he is good now, lol

Process >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Results

[saskjayfan]

Sanchez sucks, saw some of the game yesterday he was getting away with so many cookie fastballs, and u idiots think he is good now, lol

Process >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Results

 

We all know you don't like Sanchez. What's your take on Fisher.

[tercet]

Dunno haven't seem him at all, spent like 12 hours yesterday driving to Erie, PA tp see Thomas Hatch.

[Dick_Pole]

Atkins public spin:

 

- We have run some new models and believe that optimum OF defensive performance can be achieved via catching the ball with the face versus the glove.

 

- I'm thrilled for Aaron and Joe. They are great people and performed well for the Jays and we hope that every inning they pitch for Houston is hitless.

 

Atkins private comments to Shapiro:

 

- That blistered up f*** was useless for 3 years and we were going to non tender the prick.

 

- That f***ing nutjob Biagini hadn't pitched a hitless inning all season and he picks last night to do it. 6 inning no hits??

 

- On this roll Cal Stevenson is going to turn into Juan cocksucking Soto.

 

(its only one game but it does make me chuckle the irony of last night)

 

There is a 0% chance that beta male, soy boy, Principal Skinner-acting, mama's boy has or ever will swear in his life. I have to step up my insults as therapy to the early and very predictable result of this trade.

[Dick_Pole]

Also LOL that a pitcher can't even be left in in a blowout game for a no-hitter against Seattle. f***ing dorks in suits leading baseball and their no-third-time-through-the-order rule for dogshit pitchers. Who cares about the blister risk, this was going to be the highlight of Sanchez's life. Guys like Eck, Nolan Ryan, Cito Gaston, Greg Zaun, Goose, Dave Stewart, Ruben Amaro and all the other great men I grew up watching playing baseball need to rise up and take this game back from the Bill James zombies.

 

They also need to ban Tampa from ever having a team, stick the franchise in a place that can support a $150 million payroll and collect every single Rays front office personnel and stick them into a rocketship headed towards the sun. Because every s***** idea that dorks love to get a 0.0001% advantage in baseball is slowly eroding it. Like the idea of an opener. Blech!

[Abomination]

Also LOL that a pitcher can't even be left in in a blowout game for a no-hitter against Seattle. f***ing dorks in suits leading baseball and their no-third-time-through-the-order rule for dogshit pitchers. Who cares about the blister risk, this was going to be the highlight of Sanchez's life. Guys like Eck, Nolan Ryan, Cito Gaston, Greg Zaun, Goose, Dave Stewart, Ruben Amaro and all the other great men I grew up watching playing baseball need to rise up and take this game back from the Bill James zombies.

 

They also need to ban Tampa from ever having a team, stick the franchise in a place that can support a $150 million payroll and collect every single Rays front office personnel and stick them into a rocketship into the sun. Because every s***** idea that dorks love to get a 0.0001% advantage in baseball is slowly eroding it. Like the idea of an opener. Blech!

 

I'm pretty sure they weren't worried about the risk a blister might form, they were worried about the one that WAS forming. They want him to be able to make his next start.

[Abomination]

By the way, I'm not trying to discredit the rest of your rant about relievers coming in too early. It's actually really interesting. This year, starters are actually putting up a better xFIP than relievers. It feels like maybe the extra innings the pen has to cover is causing "shuttle" pitchers with worse stuff than the starter to get more meaningful innings.

[Dick_Pole]

I'm pretty sure they weren't worried about the risk a blister might form, they were worried about the one that WAS forming. They want him to be able to make his next start.

 

It's f***ing Aaron Sanchez. The worst starting pitcher in baseball until about a week ago and they gave up one-third of their backup OF for him. A team like Houston does not need to have him pitch one more inning to be a strong contender for the World Series. Let the poor bastard have a chance at his career defining moment, blister risk be damned.

[AintNoThang]

It's f***ing Aaron Sanchez. The worst starting pitcher in baseball until about a week ago and they gave up one-third of their backup OF for him. A team like Houston does not need to have him pitch one more inning to be a strong contender for the World Series. Let the poor bastard have a chance at his career defining moment, blister risk be damned.

 

He was at 92 pitches through 6. Do you really think they'd let him go to ~138 pitches to get that no-no?

[Jimcanuck]

Dunno haven't seem him at all, spent like 12 hours yesterday driving to Erie, PA tp see Thomas Hatch.

 

Well, that's dumb.

[Dick_Pole]

He was at 92 pitches through 6. Do you really think they'd let him go to ~138 pitches to get that no-no?

 

Based on my statements made ITT do you really expect me to say anything other than "yes, if they were real men"?

 

Pitchers used to have pitch counts like that all the time in important games. Including Nolan Ryan who threw as hard as anybody today so the soft tosser argument is moot. Aaron Sanchez is not an "asset" you have to protect.

[AintNoThang]

Based on my statements made ITT do you really expect me to say anything other than "yes, if they were real men"?

 

Pitchers used to have pitch counts like that all the time in important games. Including Nolan Ryan who threw as hard as anybody today so the soft tosser argument is moot. Aaron Sanchez is not an "asset" you have to protect.

 

I highly doubt that a team would risk trading a pop up specialist like Fisher in order to blow up the arm or shoulder of the main piece coming back.

[wk680]

Also LOL that a pitcher can't even be left in in a blowout game for a no-hitter against Seattle. f***ing dorks in suits leading baseball and their no-third-time-through-the-order rule for dogshit pitchers. Who cares about the blister risk, this was going to be the highlight of Sanchez's life. Guys like Eck, Nolan Ryan, Cito Gaston, Greg Zaun, Goose, Dave Stewart, Ruben Amaro and all the other great men I grew up watching playing baseball need to rise up and take this game back from the Bill James zombies.

 

They also need to ban Tampa from ever having a team, stick the franchise in a place that can support a $150 million payroll and collect every single Rays front office personnel and stick them into a rocketship headed towards the sun. Because every s***** idea that dorks love to get a 0.0001% advantage in baseball is slowly eroding it. Like the idea of an opener. Blech!

 

Could probably add Curt Shilling to that list

[EastCoaster]

The Astros are leaning toward deploying Peacock (shoulder) in relief once he's reinstated from the 10-day injured list, Chandler Rome of the Houston Chronicle reports. "The goal is for him to come back as soon as possible, which would make the reliever option a little bit more feasible," manager AJ Hinch said of Peacock. "We don't really have a spot in our rotation open. We think he can be a valuable reliever."

 

Hinch's comments came after the newly acquired Aaron Sanchez turned in six no-hit innings in his team debut Saturday, which may have been enough to convince the skipper to keep the right-hander in the rotation moving forward. Heading into that outing, Sanchez was believed to be merely keeping the seat warm for Peacock, but the latter didn't help his cause by getting roughed up in his rehab outing at Triple-A Round Rock the same day.

[Brownie19]

Remember when the Astros traded another 26 year old AAAA player?

 

He's now hitting .300/.369/.498 131 wRC+ after finally being given some extended playing time in the majors. J.D. Davis should give us some hope that Fisher becomes a quality player.

[The Cats Ass]

Has it been noted anywhere that Fisher has the 3rd highest average exit velocity this year? The 2 guys above him are Judge and Gallo.

[saskjayfan]

Has it been noted anywhere that Fisher has the 3rd highest average exit velocity this year? The 2 guys above him are Judge and Gallo.

 

He would rank 4th, but we don't talk about meaningless stats because he has 61 at bats. His career average exit velocity is 90.3. The sample size still isn't huge, but better than 61 at bats. That would place him above average, but tied for 91st on the list this year, and that's not near as sexy as saying 3rd or 4th best.

[wamco]

Here is my take on the Astros trade. I’m fine with it. Biagini is nothing. Sanchez is prob a negative value. Atkins believed the chances of Stevenson succeeding vs Fisher was with the cost of biagini and Sanchez. I agree. And fisher is ready for his chance now. Stevenson is a few years away.

This offseason Atkins needed to fill cf, 1b and a bat to rotate into dh so prob another of. He feels this fills the cf hole and does so dirt cheap. He looked at fishers profile and thinks it screams breakout if given playing time, which we can provide.

Atkins feels Sanchez is done as a starter and needs to move to the pen. However, he knows Sanchez is gonna bitch about it and doesn’t want to deal with it especially with a young team.

Arb eligible he was probably gonna make 5-6 m and really isn’t worth that in the pen esp with so many arms in aa-aaa that probably are going to land in the pen rather than a mlb rotation.

So best case scenario next year , Sanchez is a good reliever and gets traded ala Hudson and phelps for a prospect that falls 25-30 in our system.

I’d rather use the 5-6m we were going to pay him and use it towards a fa sp for 18m. I think Atkins plans the same for stroman. (I may disagree on that). But he’d spend 21m upgrading from stro and Sanchez to 2 superior sp. Throw in shoemaker borucki and Thornton and we have the start to a solid rotation with Pearson in aaa to go with an emerging lineup for a payroll of 81m including tulo

[Bobthe4th]

Here is my take on the Astros trade. I’m fine with it. Biagini is nothing. Sanchez is prob a negative value. Atkins believed the chances of Stevenson succeeding vs Fisher was with the cost of biagini and Sanchez. I agree. And fisher is ready for his chance now. Stevenson is a few years away.

This offseason Atkins needed to fill cf, 1b and a bat to rotate into dh so prob another of. He feels this fills the cf hole and does so dirt cheap. He looked at fishers profile and thinks it screams breakout if given playing time, which we can provide.

Atkins feels Sanchez is done as a starter and needs to move to the pen. However, he knows Sanchez is gonna bitch about it and doesn’t want to deal with it especially with a young team.

Arb eligible he was probably gonna make 5-6 m and really isn’t worth that in the pen esp with so many arms in aa-aaa that probably are going to land in the pen rather than a mlb rotation.

So best case scenario next year , Sanchez is a good reliever and gets traded ala Hudson and phelps for a prospect that falls 25-30 in our system.

I’d rather use the 5-6m we were going to pay him and use it towards a fa sp for 18m. I think Atkins plans the same for stroman. (I may disagree on that). But he’d spend 21m upgrading from stro and Sanchez to 2 superior sp. Throw in shoemaker borucki and Thornton and we have the start to a solid rotation with Pearson in aaa to go with an emerging lineup for a payroll of 81m including tulo

 

I’m not really convinced that two injured starters, a collection of unproven young pitchers and whatever we add in free agency is even close to a start to a solid rotation.

 

I’d be (pleasantly) surprised if Atkins was aggressive in free agency for pitchers. Unfortunately I think we’re in for another year of cheap vet acquisitions while we sift through the Merryweathers, Kays, Waguespacks etc to see who will stick in the rotation.

[saskjayfan]

Here is my take on the Astros trade. I’m fine with it. Biagini is nothing. Sanchez is prob a negative value. Atkins believed the chances of Stevenson succeeding vs Fisher was with the cost of biagini and Sanchez. I agree. And fisher is ready for his chance now. Stevenson is a few years away.

This offseason Atkins needed to fill cf, 1b and a bat to rotate into dh so prob another of. He feels this fills the cf hole and does so dirt cheap. He looked at fishers profile and thinks it screams breakout if given playing time, which we can provide.

Atkins feels Sanchez is done as a starter and needs to move to the pen. However, he knows Sanchez is gonna bitch about it and doesn’t want to deal with it especially with a young team.

Arb eligible he was probably gonna make 5-6 m and really isn’t worth that in the pen esp with so many arms in aa-aaa that probably are going to land in the pen rather than a mlb rotation.

So best case scenario next year , Sanchez is a good reliever and gets traded ala Hudson and phelps for a prospect that falls 25-30 in our system.

I’d rather use the 5-6m we were going to pay him and use it towards a fa sp for 18m. I think Atkins plans the same for stroman. (I may disagree on that). But he’d spend 21m upgrading from stro and Sanchez to 2 superior sp. Throw in shoemaker borucki and Thornton and we have the start to a solid rotation with Pearson in aaa to go with an emerging lineup for a payroll of 81m including tulo

 

I call ******** that he's going to spend 21 mil and upgrade on Stro and Sanchez. Huston got Sanchez because he had the third highest spin rate in all of baseball on his curve. His curve has far more run than it ever has before this year..they'll turn Sanchez around because that's what they do. We spent 10 mil on Jamie Garcia. Estrada had the worst year of his career and had known back issues and we gave him 13 mil. We signed Clay Buchholz and acquired Clayton Richard. The rotation, if it is completely healthy and doesn't have a single injury next year, is going to be hot garbage. Get used to the kids putting up 6 runs and losing.

[ItsMeMario]

I call ******** that he's going to spend 21 mil and upgrade on Stro and Sanchez. Huston got Sanchez because he had the third highest spin rate in all of baseball on his curve. His curve has far more run than it ever has before this year..they'll turn Sanchez around because that's what they do. We spent 10 mil on Jamie Garcia. Estrada had the worst year of his career and had known back issues and we gave him 13 mil. We signed Clay Buchholz and acquired Clayton Richard. The rotation, if it is completely healthy and doesn't have a single injury next year, is going to be hot garbage. Get used to the kids putting up 6 runs and losing.

 

Yeah and Sanchez will have another blister because of overthrowing his curve. Get over it.

 

Good think the Jays suck and we have a top 5 pick right now. I hope we suck again next year for another top 5 pick and after that our team will be competing

 

Jansen

Gurriel

Guerrero

Bichette

Biggio

Groshans

 

Thats 6 out of 9 batters. What the f*** more do you want ? Great turnaround. Just be patient and suck it up buttercup

 

Pardinho

SWR

Pearson

Manoah

 

Enjoy the rebuild s*** head