Stroman to the... METS!?

[Krylian]

I gotta say, I'm surprised at all the people s***ing on Stroman. He's easily been our best pitcher since Roy Halladay and he's a blast to watch. He's provided us with some of the more sensational story lines and moments than anyone since the 92/93 WS runs. Sure, he's certainly a cocky kinda guy, but if he puts up results, who really cares? No one seemed bothered when guys like Clemens and Shilling acted arrogantly, I honestly think there's a little racism involved here.

 

Stroman's been one of the funnest Jays to watch in recent memory. Right up there with guys like Bautista and Encarnacion. I'm sad that he's gone and disappointed with the assets they got for him.

 

Well... Now we get to watch from a distance as his act plays out for another team. Let's see how it comes across now that he's not performing for your team.

[jaysguy44]

I gotta say, I'm surprised at all the people s***ing on Stroman. He's easily been our best pitcher since Roy Halladay and he's a blast to watch. He's provided us with some of the more sensational story lines and moments than anyone since the 92/93 WS runs. Sure, he's certainly a cocky kinda guy, but if he puts up results, who really cares? No one seemed bothered when guys like Clemens and Shilling acted arrogantly, I honestly think there's a little racism involved here.

 

Stroman's been one of the funnest Jays to watch in recent memory. Right up there with guys like Bautista and Encarnacion. I'm sad that he's gone and disappointed with the assets they got for him.

 

Are you being serious? If we criticize a black player because of how he acts, there must be some racism there? Democrat logic, everything is racist.

 

That may be one of the dumbest thing I think I've read on here.

[Krylian]

Are you being serious? If we criticize a black player because of how he acts, there must be some racism there? Democrat logic, everything is racist.

 

That may be one of the dumbest thing I think I've read on here.

 

#Strotoo

[Spanky99]

I gotta say, I'm surprised at all the people s***ing on Stroman. He's easily been our best pitcher since Roy Halladay and he's a blast to watch. He's provided us with some of the more sensational story lines and moments than anyone since the 92/93 WS runs. Sure, he's certainly a cocky kinda guy, but if he puts up results, who really cares? No one seemed bothered when guys like Clemens and Shilling acted arrogantly, I honestly think there's a little racism involved here.

 

Stroman's been one of the funnest Jays to watch in recent memory. Right up there with guys like Bautista and Encarnacion. I'm sad that he's gone and disappointed with the assets they got for him.

 

Roflmao... Jesus Christ!

[Spanky99]

They panicked and made the deal 4 days before the deadline. How do you know what offers may have arose? He's the best guy on the market, once other guys started to get traded the demand would've picked up... And if not, then I assume the Mets deal would still be there for the taking.

 

It's amateur hour all around with this deal and even rival scouts and analysts are left scratching their heads.

 

At the Mets, yes. I agree they pulled the trigger a bit early, but it is what it is, I'll leave the flaming when we see what others go for.

[Spanky99]

Ross Atkins on the trade, full interview on Tim and Sid...

 

[Brownie19]

I gotta say, I'm surprised at all the people s***ing on Stroman. He's easily been our best pitcher since Roy Halladay and he's a blast to watch. He's provided us with some of the more sensational story lines and moments than anyone since the 92/93 WS runs. Sure, he's certainly a cocky kinda guy, but if he puts up results, who really cares? No one seemed bothered when guys like Clemens and Shilling acted arrogantly, I honestly think there's a little racism involved here.

 

Stroman's been one of the funnest Jays to watch in recent memory. Right up there with guys like Bautista and Encarnacion. I'm sad that he's gone and disappointed with the assets they got for him.

 

I agree with everything you said - except the racism part. WTF man? There's a prime example of what's wrong with society these days.

[Slade]

Ross Atkins on the trade, full interview on Tim and Sid...

 

 

Actually one of his better interviews. I don't know who the guy that was filling in for Sid was but my god he was bad. Literally asking questions that have just been answered. I won't continue before 5Tool calls me a racist but yikes.

[Orgfiller]

Ross Atkins on the trade, full interview on Tim and Sid...

 

 

Great interview. Atkins basically says word for word that this is the best deal they received, and that they believed they had a good grasp on the market from talking to all the other teams who were interested. He really likes SWR and believes Kay is a solid depth piece, and I'm sure much more than that. He took the professional route when being asked about Stroman and his interactions with him as previously reported, I would imagine the former would not agree to that respect that was implied.

[Terminator]

Great interview. Atkins basically says word for word that this is the best deal they received, and that they believed they had a good grasp on the market from talking to all the other teams who were interested. He really likes SWR and believes Kay is a solid depth piece, and I'm sure much more than that. He took the professional route when being asked about Stroman and his interactions with him as previously reported, I would imagine the former would not agree to that respect that was implied.

 

Remarkable job to keep a lid on his Asperger's for that long

[Spanky99]

Actually one of his better interviews. I don't know who the guy that was filling in for Sid was but my god he was bad. Literally asking questions that have just been answered. I won't continue before 5Tool calls me a racist but yikes.

 

Donovan (DJ) Bennett, he's much better on the basketball and football topics, uh-oh... now I've gone and done it.

[5ToolPhenom]

Well... Now we get to watch from a distance as his act plays out for another team. Let's see how it comes across now that he's not performing for your team.

 

It won't change a thing. He's a passionate guy and he deeply cares about winning. Sure, he's cocky, but so what? At the end of the day, it's just entertainment after all and Stroman's a helluva athlete. I'm definitely gonna miss seeing him play for the Jays.

[5ToolPhenom]

Are you being serious? If we criticize a black player because of how he acts, there must be some racism there? Democrat logic, everything is racist.

 

That may be one of the dumbest thing I think I've read on here.

 

Well, I never see people get as up and arms over Stro's kinda theatrics when it's a white guy doing it. Hell, the fans couldn't get enough of a guy like Grilli when he was pumping his fists and hollering when he completed an inning. I'm the last guy to to throw around the racism card, but this forum has always been a little weird about Marcus Stroman from the time I started browsing.

 

I dunno maybe I'm overreacting, it's just that Stroman's been my favorite Jay for years, so it's odd for me to see everyone blasting him.

[5ToolPhenom]

At the Mets, yes. I agree they pulled the trigger a bit early, but it is what it is, I'll leave the flaming when we see what others go for.

 

At the Jays too. The expert consensus seems to be that the return is light and most wonder why they were so trigger happy.

[5ToolPhenom]

Great interview. Atkins basically says word for word that this is the best deal they received, and that they believed they had a good grasp on the market from talking to all the other teams who were interested

 

There was still 3 days left until the deadline... The fact that "it was the best deal they received" at that point means very little. Everyone is tight with their poker-face while negotiations are ongoing. s*** doesn't get real until the day before the deadline. That's why we've seen so few transactions thus far.

 

They're trying to put lipstick on a pig with this one. Let's call it how it is, folks. Getting 2 lottery picks for the best starter on the market who happens to have an additional year of control is not a good strategy.

[Spanky99]

At the Jays too. The expert consensus seems to be that the return is light and most wonder why they were so trigger happy.

 

Expert consensus, like who? I've seen a bit of "on some scouts I've talked to" jargon, but I wouldn't say there's a consensus yet, I'm sure it'll be more clear once the others start to move and the deadline is over. Unless I've missed it...

[Spanky99]

Well, I never see people get as up and arms over Stro's kinda theatrics when it's a white guy doing it. Hell, the fans couldn't get enough of a guy like Grilli when he was pumping his fists and hollering when he completed an inning. I'm the last guy to to throw around the racism card, but this forum has always been a little weird about Marcus Stroman from the time I started browsing.

 

I dunno maybe I'm overreacting, it's just that Stroman's been my favorite Jay for years, so it's odd for me to see everyone blasting him.

 

I love Stroman's fire and competitiveness on the field, it's his social media that irks most, imo. When he acts like an entitled baby on there, you know it's going to be brought up here, it has nothing to do with race. Geez...

[jaysguy44]

Well, I never see people get as up and arms over Stro's kinda theatrics when it's a white guy doing it. Hell, the fans couldn't get enough of a guy like Grilli when he was pumping his fists and hollering when he completed an inning. I'm the last guy to to throw around the racism card, but this forum has always been a little weird about Marcus Stroman from the time I started browsing.

 

I dunno maybe I'm overreacting, it's just that Stroman's been my favorite Jay for years, so it's odd for me to see everyone blasting him.

 

You're the last guy to throw the racism card around? Clearly not, you threw it out there in a way only an idiot would.

 

Being a racist means s*** all now a days, everyone and everything is racist.

 

It's unfortunate, because there's actually true racists out there but the word is thrown around now in a way where people don't even take it seriously anymore.

 

Also, don't compare Grilli's personality with Stroman's. It's one thing to be fired up on the mound, it's another thing in how you carry yourself off the field.

[Spanky99]

There was still 3 days left until the deadline... The fact that "it was the best deal they received" at that point means very little. Everyone is tight with their poker-face while negotiations are ongoing. s*** doesn't get real until the day before the deadline. That's why we've seen so few transactions thus far.

 

They're trying to put lipstick on a pig with this one. Let's call it how it is, folks. Getting 2 lottery picks for the best starter on the market who happens to have an additional year of control is not a good strategy.

 

Why don't you wait to see what the other SP's fetch first before fanning the flames? If Bauer/Syndergaard get moved they'll obviously fetch more, but wait to see what guys like Ray/Minor/Boyd, Mad-Bum, etc receive if they get moved.

[P2F]

Alright, let's get into it.

 

I just have to LOL at any of you who thought that Atkins would not have taken the best deal offered for Stroman. Like, is he going to inexplicably sabotage his own team and job? f***ing of course not! LOL! This is the Toronto Blue Jays - one of the most technologically-advanced and analytically-inclined FOs in baseball. There was obviously always going to be a sound process in place to narrow down and determine the best offer for Marcus Stroman. They took the best one they were offered and tried to push for more. Whether they were at all successful in that endeavour, we may never be specifically privy to that information, but the return is what the end result was after the absolute multitude of unrelenting phone calls, text messages, emails, and lunch meetings that Ross Atkins has undoubtedly had over the past few weeks leading up to the deadline. This s*** isn't rocket appliances, folks.

 

Was this a great return? Nope. But it certainly wasn't bad, either. Some of you seem to lack the ability to comprehend that a trade can be merely decent/solid/fine/okay, while simultaneously producing a fap-worthy piece (SWR) in return.

 

You don't have to like the trade, but just know that the correct processes were in place and you're allowed to be wrong. If you're still disappointed with this trade in a few days after your biases and emotions are no longer a factor in your judgment, your expectations were likely far too high, so consider this deal a necessary recalibration for where the market is and the fruits it will likely yield. With every passing season, teams are becoming more and more stingy when trading prospect capital for short-term contracts. That's the reality.

 

Maybe we could all try to utilize even a shred of critical thinking here. Not everything that gets reported by the media is real. Sometimes we aren't given the correct context to the report, sometimes we are only privy to partial truths, sometimes we're fed ******** for the sake of clicks or because the source was just wrong. In this case, there are always two sides to every story. We've heard Stroman's side, as he's a loud-mouthed buffoon who decided to constantly put the FO on blast in the public sphere. That wasn't smart. Atkins took the high road and was always the consummate professional about the situation. No doubt the bridges were burned beyond repair and the only viable decision remaining was to trade Stroman.

[5ToolPhenom]

Expert consensus, like who? I've seen a bit of "on some scouts I've talked to" jargon, but I wouldn't say there's a consensus yet, I'm sure it'll be more clear once the others start to move and the deadline is over. Unless I've missed it...

 

Maybe I was being a tad sensational, but no one on talk radio has seemed very impressed with it and I've seen a good amount of twitter takes and no one is applauding it from a Blue Jay perspective... Even the Rogers lackeys on Sportsnet have been pretty lukewarm about it.

[5ToolPhenom]

I love Stroman's fire and competitiveness on the field, it's his social media that irks most, imo. When he acts like an entitled baby on there, you know it's going to be brought up here, it has nothing to do with race. Geez...

 

heh, well I tend to avoid any athlete social media, so maybe it's a good thing in this case

[5ToolPhenom]

Also, don't compare Grilli's personality with Stroman's. It's one thing to be fired up on the mound, it's another thing in how you carry yourself off the field.

 

What exactly has Stroman done off the field to warrant such negativity? He's pretty much avoided any public life controversy from what I can gather and everything from what I've seen from him in interviews would appear that he was very proud to play in Canada and for the Jays.

 

I know he had some dumb tweet about Goins and stuff like that, or him barking at the BoSox bench or whatever, but it's certainly not anything that I'd put too much stock in. I always personally found the passion to be refreshing.

[Abomination]

Was this a great return? Nope. But it certainly wasn't bad, either. Some of you seem to lack the ability to comprehend that a trade can be merely decent/solid/fine/okay, while simultaneously producing a fap-worthy piece (SWR) in return.

 

You don't have to like the trade, but just know that the correct processes were in place and you're allowed to be wrong. If you're still disappointed with this trade in a few days after your biases and emotions are no longer a factor in your judgment, your expectations were likely far too high, so consider this deal a necessary recalibration for where the market is and the fruits it will likely yield. With every passing season, teams are becoming more and more stingy when trading prospect capital for short-term contracts. That's the reality.

 

I disagree with this. We accepted a return that's likely below market value well ahead of the deadline. If we had done this deal at the deadline, I'd be comfortable in saying it was the best deal available and be happy about it. If you're going to jump the market, do it having been blown away with an offer. That most certainly didn't happen here. The only valid reason to take that deal now, is if the Mets would otherwise trade Thor and no longer be interested in Stroman if we had waited (it sounds like they may be going for it this year now). Trading guys early who might otherwise get lost in last minute panic (like Sogard) is smart, but don't do so with your valuable chips before the hand is played.

[5ToolPhenom]

Why don't you wait to see what the other SP's fetch first before fanning the flames? If Bauer/Syndergaard get moved they'll obviously fetch more, but wait to see what guys like Ray/Minor/Boyd, Mad-Bum, etc receive if they get moved.

 

I'd put Stroman in a league ahead of Minor and Boyd and probably Ray too. For one thing, Stroman deserves more accolades for performing in the AL East. I mean Boyd's had a great year but he pitches in the AL Central, one has to take that into consideration. Even Clevelands offense to me seems a bit s***.

 

But you're right. No need to rant and rave about it I suppose. I've said my piece. Maybe they'll hit with the 2 prospects and it'll look like a good deal with hindsight, it just doesn't like a very smart gamble.

[P2F]

I disagree with this. We accepted a return that's likely below market value well ahead of the deadline. If we had done this deal at the deadline, I'd be comfortable in saying it was the best deal available and be happy about it. If you're going to jump the market, do it having been blown away with an offer. That most certainly didn't happen here. The only valid reason to take that deal now, is if the Mets would otherwise trade Thor and no longer be interested in Stroman if we had waited (it sounds like they may be going for it this year now). Trading guys early who might otherwise get lost in last minute panic (like Sogard) is smart, but don't do so with your valuable chips before the hand is played.

 

Oh, okay. This changes everything. My bad.

[Spanky99]

Alright, let's get into it.

 

I just have to LOL at any of you who thought that Atkins would not have taken the best deal offered for Stroman. Like, is he going to inexplicably sabotage his own team and job? f***ing of course not! LOL! This is the Toronto Blue Jays - one of the most technologically-advanced and analytically-inclined FOs in baseball. There was obviously always going to be a sound process in place to narrow down and determine the best offer for Marcus Stroman. They took the best one they were offered and tried to push for more. Whether they were at all successful in that endeavour, we may never be specifically privy to that information, but the return is what the end result was after the absolute multitude of unrelenting phone calls, text messages, emails, and lunch meetings that Ross Atkins has undoubtedly had over the past few weeks leading up to the deadline. This s*** isn't rocket appliances, folks.

 

Was this a great return? Nope. But it certainly wasn't bad, either. Some of you seem to lack the ability to comprehend that a trade can be merely decent/solid/fine/okay, while simultaneously producing a fap-worthy piece (SWR) in return.

 

You don't have to like the trade, but just know that the correct processes were in place and you're allowed to be wrong. If you're still disappointed with this trade in a few days after your biases and emotions are no longer a factor in your judgment, your expectations were likely far too high, so consider this deal a necessary recalibration for where the market is and the fruits it will likely yield. With every passing season, teams are becoming more and more stingy when trading prospect capital for short-term contracts. That's the reality.

 

Maybe we could all try to utilize even a shred of critical thinking here. Not everything that gets reported by the media is real. Sometimes we aren't given the correct context to the report, sometimes we are only privy to partial truths, sometimes we're fed ******** for the sake of clicks or because the source was just wrong. In this case, there are always two sides to every story. We've heard Stroman's side, as he's a loud-mouthed buffoon who decided to constantly put the FO on blast in the public sphere. That wasn't smart. Atkins took the high road and was always the consummate professional about the situation. No doubt the bridges were burned beyond repair and the only viable decision remaining was to trade Stroman.

 

Well said, Atkins was concise and to the point on his interactions and process in that interview I posted, he, yourself and a few others changed my mind from my initial reaction(on Kay), which wasn't that bad, but I'm content with this transaction, and am also intrigued to see what gets moved leading into Wednesday at noon. I wonder what the prices will be for closers, this Giles elbow inflammation couldn't come at a worse time.

[5ToolPhenom]

I disagree with this. We accepted a return that's likely below market value well ahead of the deadline. If we had done this deal at the deadline, I'd be comfortable in saying it was the best deal available and be happy about it. If you're going to jump the market, do it having been blown away with an offer. That most certainly didn't happen here. The only valid reason to take that deal now, is if the Mets would otherwise trade Thor and no longer be interested in Stroman if we had waited (it sounds like they may be going for it this year now). Trading guys early who might otherwise get lost in last minute panic (like Sogard) is smart, but don't do so with your valuable chips before the hand is played.

 

Nicely put. Once trades started happening, there'd be a bench mark and other teams would probably up the ante. I don't see much sense in being the first team to make a big trade with one one of the most sought after chips if the deal wasn't going to be a no-brainer.

[Spanky99]

Maybe I was being a tad sensational, but no one on talk radio has seemed very impressed with it and I've seen a good amount of twitter takes and no one is applauding it from a Blue Jay perspective... Even the Rogers lackeys on Sportsnet have been pretty lukewarm about it.

 

I've failed to find much of this at all on both MLB Network, Rogers, Internet, etc... you're certainly sensationalizing your point of view, mate. Are the twitter reactions from casuals?

[Spanky99]

heh, well I tend to avoid any athlete social media, so maybe it's a good thing in this case

 

It's in here whenever he does something retarded, like liking trade suggestions to NYY, and the constant s*** talk of our front office, taking the Jays brand off his twitter, etc, for well over a year now, he's been a dick, certainly not helping the team that gave him everything nor the fans that support him, like you and I. I'm going to seriously miss the guy between the lines, there's no doubt about that, and I believe most on this forum feel that way.