What would you be willing to give Marcus Stroman in an extension?

[Ray]

Lot of talk around here that Stroman should get extended and not traded, but that's contingent on both the front office and the player sharing similar valuations.

 

Personally, I wouldn't go higher than $70M over 5 years. It'll take him through age 33, and $14M AAV seems about right for a guy like him.

[Boxcar]

I'd go 6/80. Maybe 5/80 contingent on firing Pete Walker.

[Terminator]

I'd go 6/80. Maybe 5/80 contingent on firing Pete Walker.

 

I'd probably just trade him tbh unless the team plans to be really really aggressive in free agency this upcoming offseason. We have a shitload of holes and he'll be on the wrong side of 30 by the time we are any good.

 

That said, if I were to extend him I think 5 for 80 is the absolute max I'd do. Anything more would be too much and anything less I'd be pleased with. And this would include his final year of arb next year which would be ripped up.

[Jimcanuck]

4/60 with 2 team options at $18M each and he has to cancel his twitter account

[Slade]

Still trying to figure out why Severino signed a 4 year $40MM deal. It just doesn't make sense.

 

I would do 4/60 for Stroman easily.

[BlueRocky]

I would do $60M/4

[Ray]

I would do $60M/4

 

Assuming we did offer that to him, could you really see Stroman taking that? I feel like he values himself higher.

[wk680]

I'd probably just trade him tbh unless the team plans to be really really aggressive in free agency this upcoming offseason. We have a shitload of holes and he'll be on the wrong side of 30 by the time we are any good.

 

That said, if I were to extend him I think 5 for 80 is the absolute max I'd do. Anything more would be too much and anything less I'd be pleased with. And this would include his final year of arb next year which would be ripped up.

 

Yeah I think you can't go too cheap or he is going to bet on himself and test free agency. I think 5/80 would be reasonable (10 next season then 4 x 17.5)

[BlueRocky]

Assuming we did offer that to him, could you really see Stroman taking that? I feel like he values himself higher.

 

He won’t, even in this crummy FA market.

He’s likely looking 100M/5y or better.

Which is why an extension is very unlikely.

 

We definitely have the payroll, but I don’t think FO believes he’s a clear no. 2 starter now let alone 4 years from now.

I like Stroman but don’t think he’s going to take a reasonable deal and we’re not likely offering him anything more than reasonable.

[Abomination]

I'd have no issue with 5/75 for Stroman, and would probably be okay with something in the 5/80 or 5/85 range (maybe the extra via bonuses).

[Abomination]

Yeah I think you can't go too cheap or he is going to bet on himself and test free agency. I think 5/80 would be reasonable (10 next season then 4 x 17.5)

 

Are you kidding? Next year we'll have lots of payroll space. If we loaded the contract at all, we should be front-loading it.

[wk680]

Are you kidding? Next year we'll have lots of payroll space. If we loaded the contract at all, we should be front-loading it.

 

It was that I figured next season he is still Arb eligible and that's about what he might get in Arb (making about $7.4 M this year). But you are correct, considering the team payroll situation in 2020, I would just offer him 5/$16M per. Not sure I can go any higher right now, but if he were to perform the rest of this season as he has season to date, the price (he will demand) likely goes up substantially.

[BlueRocky]

This thread has jinxed Stroman by the way

[wk680]

This thread has jinxed Stroman by the way

 

Yeah I was literally typing in my response (was 0-0) and then checked back on the game a few min later and saw they put up a quick 5 spot. FFS !!!!!

[wilko]

3-4/60 with a year option.

[BigCecil]

Not a big fan of the guy, but we need someone to start who isn't a total gas can during the rebuild.

 

With what they paid Estrada and Happ, I can them going 4/60 ish with an option year being a pretty fair deal.

[Jonn]

Please trade him. I’m so over this insufferable prick.

[Krylian]

Not a big fan of the guy, but we need someone to start who isn't a total gas can during the rebuild.

 

With what they paid Estrada and Happ, I can them going 4/60 ish with an option year being a pretty fair deal.

 

That's assuming Stro doesn't think he's worth 8/160

[wamco]

5/180 who says no? Jays or stro?

[Boxcar]

5/180 who says no? Jays or stro?

 

Is this a joke?

[Krylian]

Please trade him. I’m so over this insufferable prick.

 

I'd almost get the same satisfaction firing him into the sun.

[Spanky99]

5/180 who says no? Jays or stro?

 

lol... stick to sliced American pizza, and strippers, loser.

[L54]

I’d give him 5/75 but it seems more likely Stro wouldn’t be interested in that.

[Spanky99]

I’d give him 5/75 but it seems more likely Stro wouldn’t be interested in that.

 

15 AAV mutual 5th year, lol

 

He shouldn't deny that, just get all city perks for life U win.

[Pendleton]

5/180 who says no? Jays or stro?

 

You could cut that amount in half and the Jays would likely still say no...were you joking?

[wamco]

Oops. Meant 5/90

[Key22]

I'd go 5/80 but he probably wants 100 million and I'd only sign him if the plan is to start seriously contending in 2021.

 

The reality is you probably are not going to get a player back in trade who will be better than Stroman. The team's big area of organizational weakness is starting pitching. San Diego apparently has 4 of the best 10 lefthanded pitching prospects in all of baseball - would they part with two of them +? I doubt it but That's sort of what you're going to need back. A Mackenzie Gore and Ryan Weathers/Logan Allen + Luis Urias. Perhaps expand the deal to add someone to Stroman. San Diego seems like a good match but they're not in strong contention at the moment so they have to feel like they have a real shot at it.

 

This team is NOT beating the Yankees, Tamps and Boston with number 3 starters - we're going to need a couple of absolute powerhouses at the top of this rotation - Shilling/Johnson sorta thing. And then on top of that you're going to need a 3/4 who would be aces on half the teams in the league. It would be nice to see a starter actually make it through 8 innings once in a while.

 

based on the past I am hopeful the Jays brass can identify pitching in the draft. (Ahem Zeuch) but nobody is perfect.

[BlueRocky]

The backend SP depth looks at least half decent in 2021, but we’re really lacking in frontline starters.

 

I can at least imagine where the hitting is going to come from in 2021, but the pitching is a real question mark. We’re basically banking on Nate to be a bonafide ace and at least one or two guys over-performing projections, while also getting lucky with pickups like Shoemaker (or 2015-2016 Estrada) to seriously be contending.

Edited June 11, 2019 by BlueRocky

[Key22]

I am not sure why the Jays are waiting to trade Stroman - the more he pitches here the more likely he will blow out his arm and we get zilch nada nein for him. With supposedly 20 teams interested surely they can get an agreeable package in return. The above package with Stroman and say Galvis or Smoak thrown in the deal should get you a few top 100 prospects.

 

Yankees are supposedly interested but do they have anyone worth acquiring in terms of young stud future all star types?

Minnesota?

Texas?

[BTS]

The backend SP depth looks at least half decent in 2021, but we’re really lacking in frontline starters.

 

I can at least imagine where the hitting is going to come from in 2021, but the pitching is a real question mark. We’re basically banking on Nate to be a bonafide ace and at least one or two guys over-performing projections, while also getting lucky with pickups like Shoemaker (or 2015-2016 Estrada) to seriously be contending.