What would you be willing to give Marcus Stroman in an extension?

[wk680]

 

I don't see this happening for the Jays. He will likely be looking for a $200M contract, and has Boras as his agent.

[BlueRocky]

Well if you’re shopping for frontline SP, there’s no way to avoid spending money. Whether if it’s worth inking a 28-32 yr old vet into a long term contract is another debate.

Gerrit Cole would be our no. 1 starter and we could do a lot worst.

[wk680]

Well if you’re shopping for frontline SP, there’s no way to avoid spending money. Whether if it’s worth inking a 28-32 yr old vet into a long term contract is another debate.

Gerrit Cole would be our no. 1 starter and we could do a lot worst.

 

I am not necessarily against the idea, but I doubt they Jays will play in that 'high end' market. Like in 2016, when they signed Happ and Estrada instead of Price; I could see them trying to get 2 guys at $15-20M per year each instead of committing to one guy at $30M per year for 7 years. Remember this is the risk averse Shapiro we are talking about here

[Spanky99]

I am not necessarily against the idea, but I doubt they Jays will play in that 'high end' market. Like in 2016, when they signed Happ and Estrada instead of Price; I could see them trying to get 2 guys at $15-20M per year each instead of committing to one guy at $30M per year for 7 years. Remember this is the risk averse Shapiro we are talking about here

 

If Cole wants 7 years, they'll be out.

[BlueRocky]

Based on past signings sure. But if we continue to not develop quality arms they need to reconsider.

 

Are we really competing with NY, BOS, and TB with two mid-rotation arms and a bunch of backend guys? What’s our answer to James Paxton, Chris Sale, and Blake Snell? What happens if we face the Astros in the postseason? Or Twins/CLE in a wildcard game?

 

Even if Nate becomes a stud we probably need at minimum one more legit arm if not two to win 90+ games in this division.

 

That 7th year might be a small price to pay to not waste the primes of Vlad, Bichette, and co.

 

Whether if it’s Cole or someone else they need frontline pitching somehow. If they have to package prospects down the road and make like a “Chris Sale trade” similar to BOS in 2016/17 then yeah do it. But opportunities like that aren’t always available.

Edited June 13, 2019 by BlueRocky

[wk680]

Based on past signings sure. But if we continue to not develop quality arms they need to reconsider.

 

Are we really compete with NY, BOS, and TB with two mid-rotation arms and a bunch of backend guys? What’s our answer to James Paxton, Chris Sale, and Blake Snell? What happens if we face the Astros in the postseason? Or Twins/CLE in a wildcard game?

 

Even if Nate becomes a stud we probably need at minimum one more legit arm if not two to win 90+ games in this division.

 

That 7th year might be a small price to pay to not waste the primes of Vlad, Bichette, and co.

 

Whether if it’s Cole or someone else they need frontline pitching somehow. If they have to package prospects down the road and make like a “Chris Sale trade” similar to BOS in 2016/17 then yeah do it. But opportunities like that aren’t always available.

 

yeah no way the Red Sox win the WS last season without Sale and same for Giants in 2014 with Bumgarner.The thing is: I think Shatkins will look at the 2016 Indians and how close they came and just keep telling themselves we just need to do that again.

[Kelly Gruber]

I am not sure why the Jays are waiting to trade Stroman - the more he pitches here the more likely he will blow out his arm and we get zilch nada nein for him. With supposedly 20 teams interested surely they can get an agreeable package in return. The above package with Stroman and say Galvis or Smoak thrown in the deal should get you a few top 100 prospects.

 

Yankees are supposedly interested but do they have anyone worth acquiring in terms of young stud future all star types?

Minnesota?

Texas?

 

I don't understand the appeal of an extension when we aren't going to be competitive in the timeframe before Stroman becomes a free agent. We can trade him for a nice piece to help with the rebuild and then use the next year and a half to decide if he would be someone we want to sign back here when he becomes a free agent. By that time other options for our $50-$100 million will likely have emerged and we can evaluate stroman against that.

 

By extending him:

 

- we get nothing in return via trade

- we are stuck with him for an extra 3-4 years if he declines before he would normally have reached free agency

 

We would need a significant discount on his extension to make up for those two points.

[Superdood]

I'd rather move him for some good pieces than sign him to an extension.

 

The Jays likely won't be in contention for at least 3-5 more years imo. I don't like the idea of extending a guy who will be near the end of a supposed extension by the time this team is competitive again.

 

Take the best deal, add a few solid prospects and spend that money elsewhere when the time is right.

 

If this team was gonna be ready to compete next season or even the season after that I would probably be more in favor but I just can't see a realistic situation where we can hang with the Yankees,BoSox,Rays of the division in the next 2 years.

[BigCecil]

At the end of the day if he is more valuable with a 4 + 1/60mm ish extension than the pieces they are offered, you keep him.

 

They are going to test the market.

 

If the "pieces" we are being offered are Happ deal like, then he is more valuable to us signed giving us 200 ish decent innings/year as we reshape the team.

[Bobthe4th]

At the end of the day if he is more valuable with a 4 + 1/60mm ish extension than the pieces they are offered, you keep him.

 

They are going to test the market.

 

If the "pieces" we are being offered are Happ deal like, then he is more valuable to us signed giving us 200 ish decent innings/year as we reshape the team.

 

That assumes Stroman is willing though. It seems pretty clear that he's asking for more otherwise why wouldn't a deal already have been done? An extended Stroman at a reasonable rate is worth even more in a trade so it's not like signing him to an extension ends any chance of a trade.

 

The problem is what does the FO do if Stroman only wants ace level money and the trade offerings are underwhelming. Hold on and hope someone gets desperate at next year's deadline (potentially the worst option of all)? They will be massively criticised if they f*** this up but I do have some sympathy with them.

[BigCecil]

That assumes Stroman is willing though. It seems pretty clear that he's asking for more otherwise why wouldn't a deal already have been done? An extended Stroman at a reasonable rate is worth even more in a trade so it's not like signing him to an extension ends any chance of a trade.

 

The problem is what does the FO do if Stroman only wants ace level money and the trade offerings are underwhelming. Hold on and hope someone gets desperate at next year's deadline (potentially the worst option of all)? They will be massively criticised if they f*** this up but I do have some sympathy with them.

 

We just don't know. I don't assume we can get him for that, or that he even wants to stay.

 

If he prices himself out of what the FO thinks is reasonable, then that is an obvious factor in evaluating what we might get for him and if we will move him.

 

Point being the two areas are linked - signing cost/probability vs what comes back if dealt. I'm open to either depending on value created.

[Boxcar]

That assumes Stroman is willing though. It seems pretty clear that he's asking for more otherwise why wouldn't a deal already have been done? An extended Stroman at a reasonable rate is worth even more in a trade so it's not like signing him to an extension ends any chance of a trade.

 

The problem is what does the FO do if Stroman only wants ace level money and the trade offerings are underwhelming. Hold on and hope someone gets desperate at next year's deadline (potentially the worst option of all)? They will be massively criticised if they f*** this up but I do have some sympathy with them.

 

Lol teams do not extend players and immediately trade them in baseball.

[saskjayfan]

 

That's hilarious. I needed a good laugh. Toronto has to go the extra year and pay an extra 10% to 20% to get a guy like Cole. Does that sound like Shatkins MO. We have zero shot at Cole. The rational behind extending Stroman is that he's a quality number 2 who you can get on a close to fair market deal without the extra years or dollars. All other free agents we will have to massively overpay.

 

If we trade Stroman because management says they valued him at 4 and 60 instead of going 5 and 80 that's a fail. Corbin gets 6 140 and you can't go 5 and 80 on Stroman. Give me a break.

[BTS]

That's hilarious. I needed a good laugh. Toronto has to go the extra year and pay an extra 10% to 20% to get a guy like Cole. Does that sound like Shatkins MO. We have zero shot at Cole. The rational behind extending Stroman is that he's a quality number 2 who you can get on a close to fair market deal without the extra years or dollars. All other free agents we will have to massively overpay.

 

If we trade Stroman because management says they valued him at 4 and 60 instead of going 5 and 80 that's a fail. Corbin gets 6 140 and you can't go 5 and 80 on Stroman. Give me a break.

 

It's more what I think the FO should be trying to do. If Arizona can sign Greinke and Washington can sign Scherzer, Toronto and their massive market and top-10 payroll can absolutely afford Cole. That said, in no way do I expect him to even be in play.