General 2019 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[jaysguy44]

I'm all for tanking, personally. But to a certain extent.

 

I'd much rather see the young guys succeed which results in us winning games, rather than them struggle and us lose.

 

I've said this before, but ideally for me we lose a ton of high scoring games, like last night.

[DigitalRock]

f*** Montoyo for putting Vlad on the bench. Finally had an afternoon game off. God damnit.

 

It's not shocking to think people perform better with regular rest. Even Athletes.

[Todd Van Anus]

This team is going to be really good in a few years. My only concern is pitching. What is Pearson's upside..is he a potential ace? The Jays seem to have a lot of potential SP3/4's but no real ace in the system, unless that's Pearson. They may need to penetrate free agency for that ace. Otherwise, the future is looking good for Jays fans with Vladdy, Bichette, Biggio, Gurriel, and Grichuk.

[DigitalRock]

This team is going to be really good in a few years. My only concern is pitching. What is Pearson's upside..is he a potential ace? The Jays seem to have a lot of potential SP3/4's but no real ace in the system, unless that's Pearson. They may need to penetrate free agency for that ace. Otherwise, the future is looking good for Jays fans with Vladdy, Bichette, Biggio, Gurriel, and Grichuk.

 

You can trade for pitching too just gave good prospect capital when needed.

[Todd Van Anus]

You can trade for pitching too just gave good prospect capital when needed.

 

Very true. The heart of this lineup is really set for the next 5-10 years.

[Ray]

I didn't realize how well McKinney was doing since his demotion to AAA:

 

33 games, .288/.401/.517, 21 BB/20 K, 132 wRC+

[spats]

I didn't realize how well McKinney was doing since his demotion to AAA:

 

33 games, .288/.401/.517, 21 BB/20 K, 132 wRC+

 

He's probably better than Fisher. Jays traded Sanchez, Biagini and Stephenson for another Socrates Brito.

[Brownie19]

He's probably better than Fisher. Jays traded Sanchez, Biagini and Stephenson for another Socrates Brito.

 

Yeah but they signed Godley. He was as good as 2016 Sanchez....in 2017 (more recently), so now it's like we traded Biagini and Stevenson for Fisher while upgrading Sanchez to Godley.

 

It's all about perspective man.

[Orgfiller]

He's probably better than Fisher. Jays traded Sanchez, Biagini and Stephenson for another Socrates Brito.

 

So if Fisher is Socrates Brito, then we traded crap for crap and cleared up a 40-man and 25-man spot in the process. Sounds like a no-lose scenario.

[glory]

Paulino DFA for Godley.

 

Hope Paulino clears waivers. Still like the arm as a RP. My hope of him ever being a SP is done obviously. Can't stay healthy in that role.

[gruber92]

Yeah but they signed Godley. He was as good as 2016 Sanchez....in 2017 (more recently), so now it's like we traded Biagini and Stevenson for Fisher while upgrading Sanchez to Godley.

 

It's all about perspective man.

 

Signing Godley doesn't change the fact that Atkins over payed for Fisher. Jesus..

[Ex Player]

Shatkins are either 2 complete geniuses who see things in the trades us mortals dont see, or they are both total idiots!!.

 

I havent figured out which one exactly

[Spanky99]

Shatkins are either 2 complete geniuses who see things in the trades us mortals dont see, or they are both total idiots!!.

 

I havent figured out which one exactly

 

So your preference is to sit on the fence and wait.

[Ray]

What stood out to me the most from Atkins interview yesterday: "We could envision a scenario where all we do this winter is go out and add pitching".

 

I hope this is what they end up doing. There are some good budget friendly mid-rotation guys we could end up going for (Odorizzi? Miley? Roark?) that could really help this staff. They're likely not going to splurge on a Gerrit Cole even though they could clearly afford it, but I would hope they add at least two proven mid-rotation guys.

 

We're likely going to have a payroll of $50M heading into next season, and that's if you give everyone generous arb raises and pick up Galvis' option. Even if our payroll is limited to what it was this season, we'll still have a ton of money to spend.

[Ex Player]

So your preference is to sit on the fence and wait

Wow, you're swift.

 

Obviously we have to wait and see how the trades pan out.....DUH!!

[Spanky99]

Wow, you're swift.

 

Obviously we have to wait and see how the trades pan out.....DUH!!

 

Dude, that's my point, either you like the trade or you don't.

[Ex Player]

Dude, that's my point, either you like the trade or you don't

Good, so you agree with me.

 

Cheers

[Spanky99]

Good, so you agree with me.

 

Cheers

 

lol... go away.

[Spanky99]

What stood out to me the most from Atkins interview yesterday: "We could envision a scenario where all we do this winter is go out and add pitching".

 

I hope this is what they end up doing. There are some good budget friendly mid-rotation guys we could end up going for (Odorizzi? Miley? Roark?) that could really help this staff. They're likely not going to splurge on a Gerrit Cole even though they could clearly afford it, but I would hope they add at least two proven mid-rotation guys.

 

We're likely going to have a payroll of $50M heading into next season, and that's if you give everyone generous arb raises and pick up Galvis' option. Even if our payroll is limited to what it was this season, we'll still have a ton of money to spend.

 

Wheeler too, I think they should go after Cole and guys of his ilk, just doubt they'd sign here. 2 of them guys would be fine.

[Ex Player]

lol... go away

Cheers, drunkie

[Brownie19]

Signing Godley doesn't change the fact that Atkins over payed for Fisher. Jesus..

 

Or you could look at it and say if Godley is being DFA'd - it was a miracle Atkins got anything at all for Sanchez.

[glory]

Kevin Gausman got DFA'd and he's a better pitcher than Sanchez. If we as fans are not hung up on 2016 anymore, then pretty good chance GM's around the league aren't either. Sanchez's value was likely little to nothing. You can still not be happy with the trade as Fisher was going to be out of options after the season so his value likely would have dropped the longer the Astros held on to him, but other than Stevenson (who looks good in A+ and I would have liked to hold on to him), there really wasn't much value going to the Astros. Of course the Astros could fix Sanchez (and Biagini) and make us look foolish, but Pete Walker hasn't made anyone better since he's been here, so chances are it wouldn't have mattered.

[gruber92]

Or you could look at it and say if Godley is being DFA'd - it was a miracle Atkins got anything at all for Sanchez.

 

There is still a lot of life left in Sanchez' arm, where Godley barely sits at 90 with his fastball. Sanchez still has some workable tools that needs adjustment or a bullpen assignment. Godley does have a good curve ball and although his fastball is sub par, if he can locate it consistently, he still may find success. With the blister issues Sanchez has, he needs to come to the realization that he's better off in the pen.

[wamco]

Sign 5 fa sp this offseason.

 

What do the following so fetch in free agency?

-Bumgarner

- Hamels

-odorizzi

-Roark

-ryu

-Miley

-wheeler

-quintana

-Porcello

[Spanky99]

Sign 5 fa sp this offseason.

 

What do the following so fetch in free agency?

-Bumgarner

- Hamels

-odorizzi

-Roark

-ryu

-Miley

-wheeler

-quintana

-Porcello

 

Where's Cole, etc...

 

Jays should be all in.

[wamco]

7/210. Your turn

[L54]

Zack Wheeler and Kyle Gibson for me please. Those two would go a long ways to solidifying the rotation

 

Wheeler

Gibson

Shoemaker

Thornton

 

Pearson

Murphy

Bouricki?

Kay

Merryweather

Waguespack

 

Not pretty, but at least you can envision a path to that becoming an average rotation. Of course, the bullpen is still a tire fire and needs to be addressed

[Bobthe4th]

This is a weird article:

 

 

”Over an extended period, the consistently poor messaging (from the front office) seems disingenuous, allowing for grey areas in the public’s mind and dumb narratives to develop and persist, aided by zingers from acid-tongued columnists.”

[saskjayfan]

Zack Wheeler and Kyle Gibson for me please. Those two would go a long ways to solidifying the rotation

 

Wheeler

Gibson

Shoemaker

Thornton

 

Pearson

Murphy

Bouricki?

Kay

Merryweather

Waguespack

 

Not pretty, but at least you can envision a path to that becoming an average rotation. Of course, the bullpen is still a tire fire and needs to be addressed

 

I'm a risk taker, but Wheeler even gives me anxiety. You want to commit years and dollars to a guy who might spend half of it on the DL.

[saskjayfan]

7/210. Your turn

 

I'd do that in heart beat for cole. I would be in on Bumgarner too if the price was right. Honestly, my entire opinion of Shatkins would change if they landed Cole. Even if they signed a Bumgarner I would soften my stance. If they sign Gibson, nothing would change.

Edited August 8, 2019 by saskjayfan