Todd Verified Member Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 Pitchers are not the only ones who have Tommy Jone. And players get hurt all the time. For example Dalton Pompey. As of right now the jays are loaded with prospects. But short on pitching. Beside if the jays are going to grow as a team do it from top to bottom. Not as if it is the first time the jays have doner this
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 JFL19 Ideal Bluejays Draft 1-11. Corbin Carroll OF - Lakeside HS Ht: 5-10 | Wt: 170 | B-T: L-L Commit/Drafted: UCLA Scouting Report: Carroll wowed scouts all summer by dominating at the plate in almost every high-profile event he attended. The 5-foot-10, 170-pound outfielder plays above his size in every facet of the game. He has a polished hit tool and a terrific feel for the strike zone with a patient approach in the batter’s box. Carroll has no problem spitting on pitches just outside the zone and taking a walk, and then he can wreck havoc with his plus speed and advanced feel for running the bases. While Carroll is short, he isn’t small, with a solid frame and improved strength to the point where he could project for at least average power. Carroll’s speed plays in the outfield as well, where he is one of the best defensive center fielders in the class. Scouting directors voted Carroll as best prep defender in the class during the preseason thanks to excellent jumps and efficient route running. Some teams question his arm strength, and it was previously fringe-average, though reports on his throwing this spring have continued to improve as he’s gotten stronger. There are very few holes to speak of in Carroll’s game, although his size and some of the comparisons he’s gotten to Phillies prospect Mickey Moniak, who has struggled since being the No. 1 overall pick in 2016, might give some teams pause. Still, Carroll has shown more impact ability than Moniak did at the same age. He is also praised for his excellent makeup, high baseball IQ and impressive work ethic. Carroll’s all-around package and polish could allow him to become the highest-drafted Washington high schooler this century, passing Reese McGuire (2013) and Travis Snider (2006), who were both selected with the 14th overall pick. Carroll is committed to UCLA. 2-52 Spencer Jones - LHP/1B - La Costa HS Notes: Ht: 6-7 | Wt: 212 | B-T: L-L Commit/Drafted: Vanderbilt Scouting Report: Jones entered the season as one of the best two-way players in the class as a 6-foot-7, 212-pound lefthander with massive upside on the mound as well as surprising athleticism and feel to hit as a first base prospect. His season was cut short after he underwent surgery to repair a small fracture in his elbow, but Jones did recover soon enough to hit for his La Costa Canyon team late in the season. While teams seriously looked at Jones as both a pitcher and hitter, his upside is highest on the mound, where he has reached the mid-90s with his fastball and sat in the 89-93 mph range last summer. He also showed a mid- to upper-70s curveball with 12-to-6 break and tremendous depth that projects as a plus offering in the future. Jones doesn’t have the quickest arm, but his delivery is surprisingly in-sync for a prep pitcher of his size who has only been pitching seriously for a year and a half—a testament to his above-average athleticism and body control. Offensively, Jones has solid feel for the barrel and decent strike-zone recognition, although he will chase pitches at times. He’s an above-average runner at the moment, and some scouts believe he could develop plus raw power in the future as his body continues to mature. Jones figures to be a tough sign out of Vanderbilt, especially with his injury this spring, and he could turn into a first round-caliber prospect in a few years if he adds the physicality that most scouts think is coming. Jones should be a legitimate two-way player with the Commodores. 3-88 Will Holland SS Auburn Notes: Ht: 5-10 | Wt: 181 | B-T: R-R Commit/Drafted: Never Drafted Scouting Report: Holland broke out as a sophomore in 2018, hitting .313/.406/.530 with 12 home runs while playing a flashy shortstop to garner second-team all-SEC honors. He entered 2019 among the top tier of college shortstops after a strong showing in the Cape Cod League, where he hit .341/.431/.432. Yet Holland’s prospect status has fallen throughout the spring, as he has struggled immensely with the bat during his junior season. An aggressive hitter, Holland has always been prone to high strikeout rates, but the fact that it came with high averages and extra-base power somewhat negated those concerns. Through his first 45 games this season, Holland has been one of Auburn’s worst hitters, batting just .228/.375/.364 with 46 strikeouts and 27 walks. Holland could need some mechanical tweaks at the next level, as some have questioned his wide, spread-out stance, and he also must improve his pitch selection. Defensively, Holland has the range, arm strength and athleticism for shortstop, and he has the ability to make highlight-reel plays look relatively routine from time to time. However, he still needs to refine some of the finer details of the position and improve his overall consistency in order to stick at the position long term. Holland’s spring season has clouded his draft stock, but his toolset, defensive potential and previous track record shouldn’t let him drop much further than the third round. 4-117 Jax Groshans C Kansas Notes: Ht: 6-1 | Wt: 190 | B-T: R-R Commit/Drafted: Never Drafted Scouting Report: The older brother of Blue Jays’ 2018 first-round pick Jordan Groshans, Jaxx Groshans had a breakout season for Kansas in 2019 as he set career highs in nearly every offensive category with a .337/.471/.605 slash line that included 12 home runs. Groshans has shown an ability to control the strike zone and feast on hitters’ pitches. His power is still more of the gap-to-gap variety rather than true plus power, but he’s shown enough pop to project as a future 12-15 home run hitter, especially in today’s overheated power environment. With average power and solid plate discipline that gives him a shot at a fringe-average hit tool, Groshans has a bright future if he can continue to improve defensively behind the plate. He frequently played third base as a sophomore, but he’s shown improvement catching more regularly in 2019. He’s a little stiff and his hands can get a little hard at times, but he shows flashes of being a potential fringe-average defender with a similar arm. He has taken well to the challenge of catching, so there’s hope for him to continue to improve. Groshans’ bat fits best if he can catch regularly, but he’ll have work to do to stay there as a pro. 5th. Andrew Shultz RHP Tennessee Notes: Ht: 6-3 | Wt: 185 | B-T: R-R Commit/Drafted: Never Drafted Scouting Report: Schultz is one of the hardest-throwing pitchers in college baseball. He’s also completed one of the most significant delivery makeovers in the college ranks as well. Schultz’s delivery was once extremely long in the back, as he brought his arm through a sweeping arc that brought the ball far behind his back. Thanks to an upper-90s fastball, it seemed to work as a freshman. He was wild—11 walks in 16 innings—but he managed to get out of trouble regularly and finished with a solid season (1-0, 3.31). It all fell apart as a sophomore, however. Schultz threw only eight innings in 15 appearances and 20 of the 42 batters he faced reached base. Now, Schultz has a completely reworked delivery. He cocks the ball behind his head in an extremely abbreviated takeaway that makes it look like he’s throwing a dart. Scouts don’t love his new delivery either, but it does make it tougher for hitters to pick up the ball. His new delivery also helped him improve to below-average control as a junior. He still walks too many batters—16 in 22 innings at the end of the regular season—but because of a 96-100 mph fastball that has touched 101 mph, it works. In addition to his plus-plus fastball, he shows a plus slider. Schultz is extremely athletic, which helps explain how he pulled off such a significant delivery tweak. It’s a reliever-only profile, but there is plenty of impact stuff to work with.which helps explain how he pulled off such a significant delivery tweak. It’s a reliever only profile, but there is plenty of impact stuff to work with. 6th. Edouard Julien OF Auburn Notes: Ht: 6-2 | Wt: 195 | B-T: L-R Commit/Drafted: Phillies '17 (37) Scouting Report: Ranked No. 451 on the BA 500 coming out of secondary school in Canada in 2017, Julien impressed scouts with the Canadian Junior National Team with a loose, lefthanded swing, quick hands and above-average speed. Now, after just two years with Auburn in the SEC, Julien is a draft-eligible sophomore thanks to one of his secondary school years counting the same as one year of junior college. Because of that, Julien is one of the younger four-year players in the class, and he will turn 20 just a month before the draft. He’s a bit of a split-camp player for teams, however, as he has plus raw power—some of the best on Auburn’s club—but there are questions about his hit tool. After posting a .275/.398/.556 slash line with 17 home runs as a freshman, Julien has hit just .232/.367/.429 with eight home runs and a 27 percent strikeout rate through 54 games this spring. The whiffs are concerning, and Julien similarly struggled in the Cape Cod League last summer, hitting .205/.289/.372 with a 33 percent strikeout rate. The good news is that he has always walked at a solid clip—roughly 15 percent of the time over his two years with the Tigers. Given his age and 2018 performance, teams might be willing to take a shot. Defensively, Julien doesn’t have an obvious fit, but he profiles as a corner player in some capacity, whether that’s at third base or in the outfield.
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted May 28, 2019 Posted May 28, 2019 Can you tell me the name of a pitcher with great command and average control? It doesn't exist. Unless you're talking Greg Maddux circa mid 90s and beyond VS. Greg Maddux circa late 80s.
Ray Verified Member Posted May 29, 2019 Posted May 29, 2019 Fangraphs Mock Draft v2 has us taking Jackson Rutledge as well, also mentioning that he threw privately for us. From what limited information I have, I’d be more than happy with any of Carroll, Rutledge, Manoah, or Baty.
metafour Verified Member Posted May 29, 2019 Posted May 29, 2019 Fangraphs: 11. Blue Jays – Jackson Rutledge, RHP, San Jacinto JC (TX) We’re told Rutledge threw privately for Toronto recently. If Rutledge goes eight or nine, then whichever of the lefty college bats (Stott, Bishop) is left becomes the favorite. This is where Seattle-area prep CF Corbin Carroll’s name starts to get mentioned. 52. Blue Jays – Ryan Jensen, RHP, Fresno State
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2019 Posted May 29, 2019 Holy f*** lol "No idea what I'm talking about but I won't let that stop me!"
TheHurl Site Manager Posted May 29, 2019 Posted May 29, 2019 He just doesn't understand replacement player. It's happened many times. Boxy, educate before making fun of.
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2019 Posted May 29, 2019 He just doesn't understand replacement player. It's happened many times. Boxy, educate before making fun of. There's no point educating people like that. These are the types I hope win the lottery and then go to Mount Everest.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted May 29, 2019 Posted May 29, 2019 There's no point educating people like that. These are the types I hope win the lottery and then go to Mount Everest. lol
Ray Verified Member Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 New MLB.com Mock Draft has us taking Alek Manoah with Rutledge and Carroll going just before.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 New MLB.com Mock Draft has us taking Alek Manoah with Rutledge and Carroll going just before. Fangraphs did 3.0 and had us taking Carroll with Manoah going after, lol. I just want this draft to get it on.
TwistedLogic Old-Timey Member Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 It's still a joke to me that this trash franchise never picks in the Top 5.
metafour Verified Member Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 Blaze Jordan just reclassified to the 2020 class - slots in at #21 on Fangraphs' current board. He becomes the youngest in the class (17.5) and features potentially plus-plus power, although he is supposedly a 1B only type.
Laika Community Moderator Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 Blaze Jordan just reclassified to the 2020 class - slots in at #21 on Fangraphs' current board. He becomes the youngest in the class (17.5) and features potentially plus-plus power, although he is supposedly a 1B only type. well that's ironic
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 It's still a joke to me that this trash franchise never picks in the Top 5. TL's back????
Krylian Old-Timey Member Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 It's still a joke to me that this trash franchise never picks in the Top 5. The last was Vernon Wells in '97 @ #5 overall if I'm not mistaken. We'll be picking there in 2020.
BlueRocky Old-Timey Member Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 https://theathletic.com/1004087/2019/05/31/bowden-evaluating-the-top-10-pitchers-in-the-2019-mlb-draft/ Bowden: Evaluating the top 10 pitchers in the 2019 MLB draft Jim Bowden Earlier this week I wrote about the top 10 position players in this year’s draft, which begins Monday at 7 p.m. ET. Now it’s time to look at the top 10 pitchers. This year’s group of prospects lacks the top-of-the-draft aces we like to project as future Cy Young contenders. But it is still loaded with quality future major-league pitchers. Expect the first round to have its share of high school and college arms who project to be solid middle-of-the-rotation starters. Here is my list of the best 10: 1. Nick Lodolo, LHP, TCU Age: 21 Height: 6-6 Weight: 185 Bats: L Throws: L FB: 55 SLI: 50 CH: 50 CTL: 55 CMND: 50 Lodolo has a low-three-quarters arm slot that delivers a 91-94 mph two-seam fastball, with an above-average downward angle that creates solid sinking life. He supplements that with a sweeping breaking slider that at times is above average. His third pitch is a changeup that has some deception and fade. He projects as a pitcher who can get to the big leagues relatively quickly but as more of a middle-of-the-rotation type than an ace. 2. Alek Manoah, RHP, West Virginia Age: 21 Height: 6-6 Weight: 265 Bats: R Throws: R FB: 60 SLI: 55 CH: 50 CTL: 50 CMND: 45 Manoah is a reliever-turned-starter with overpowering stuff. He has a mid-90s fastball with good sinking action to go with an above-average slider. His control improved vastly this spring, and his stuff creates a lot of swings and misses. His changeup is major-league average, but right now he doesn’t throw it often enough. 3. Jackson Rutledge, RHP, San Jacinto (Texas) JC Age: 20 Height: 6-8 Weight: 260 Bats: R Throws: R FB: 60 SLI: 55 CB: 55 CH: 40 CTL: 45 CMND: 40 Rutledge has a solid mid- to high-90s fastball and throws both a two- and four-seamer. His two-seamer has good sinking life, while his four-seamer has above-average riding life. He also throws both a slider and a curveball, which both flash as plus pitches. I think his slider could develop into his best secondary pitch and, in time, become a wipeout type of offering. His changeup needs a lot of work. He has a solid, deceptive delivery, with good reach thanks to his frame. However, he needs to improve the command of his pitches in the strike zone. He has the tools to develop into a top-of-rotation starter, but he also comes with some risk. 4. Matthew Allan, RHP, Seminole HS (Sanford, Fla.) Age: 18 Height: 6-3 Weight: 210 Bats: R Throws: R FB: 60 CB: 60 CH: 45 CTL: 55 CMND: 50 Allan has one of the best arms of all the high school pitchers in this draft, with a clean delivery and solid arm action. His solid frame gives him a good downward plane on his pitches. His arsenal includes a mid-90s fastball and a knee-buckling 12-6 curve. He’ll flash an occasional changeup, but right now it is too hard and needs work. He has as high a ceiling as any pitcher in this draft, and he has committed to the University of Florida if he doesn’t sign. 5. George Kirby, RHP, Elon University Age: 21 Height: 6-4 Weight: 200 Bats: R Throws: R FB: 60 CB: 55 SLI: 55 CH: 55 CTL: 55 CMND: 60 Kirby is a strike-throwing machine, with a clean delivery that results in plus control and plus-plus command in the zone. He had the best strikeout-to-walk ratio in the country, one that has analytics departments screaming at their scouting directors to move him up their draft boards. His fastball is in the mid-90s, and he flashes an above-average curveball and slider, but he hasn’t been able to find consistency yet with either pitch. His best secondary pitch, however, might be his changeup, which has fade and deception. Kirby doesn’t have the best stuff in this draft, but his special command will get him drafted well ahead of many other top pitchers with bigger arms. 6. Quinn Priester, RHP, Cary-Grove HS (Ill.) Age: 19 Height: 6-3 Weight: 195 Bats: R Throws: R FB: 60 CB: 55 CH: 55 CTL: 50 CMND: 45 Priester throws from a three-quarters arm slot and has above-average sinking life on his high-90s fastball. His curve is his best breaking ball, with a 12-6 break that flat-out misses bats. He also throws an inconsistent changeup, but it’s above-average when it’s on. His stock went flying up draft lists this spring. Priester is one of the best athletes among all the pitchers in this draft, and scouts rave about his baseball intelligence. 7. Zack Thompson, LHP, Kentucky Age: 21 Height: 6-3 Weight: 223 Bats: L Throws: L FB: 55 CB: 50 SLI: 55 CH: 50 CTL: 50 CMND: 50 Thompson has a 92-95 mph fastball with above-average running life. He also throws a nasty but inconsistent hard slider with mid-80s velocity and a slow-developing curveball. He occasionally mixes in a changeup. According to multiple teams I spoke with, he has an above-average spin rate on both of his breaking balls. He’s had a lot of medical questions in his college career, specifically issues with his elbow, but clubs seem to be convinced that it shouldn’t be a barrier to taking him in the first round. This spring, he was filling up the strike zone more than ever and was able to show his durability by making every start without any early exits. 8. Jack Leiter, RHP, Delbarton School (N.J.) Age: 19 Height: 6-1 Weight: 195 Bats: R Throws: R FB: 55 CB: 55 SLI: 45 CH: 50 CTL: 55 CMND: 55 Jack is the son of former major-league pitcher Al Leiter, and that has no doubt contributed to his tremendous baseball IQ and instincts. He has a great feel for pitching, not surprisingly, and knows how to add and subtract. His command is special; he can own the black on both sides, and he understands the value of changing eye levels. His fastball is in the mid-90s, and he has a really nasty curveball that, according to multiple reports, has a well-above-average spin rate. He also has a slider/cutter that still needs some development and a deceptive, fading changeup. Some team will reach and take him before a few of the more talented pitchers in this draft because of his make-up and character and will probably be rewarded because of it. He’s committed to Vanderbilt but is expected to sign if drafted by the middle of the first round. 9. Daniel Espino, RHP, Georgia Premier Academy Age: 18 Height: 6-0 Weight: 185 Bats: R Throws: R FB: 75 CB: 60 SLI: 55 CH: 50 CTL: 50 CMND: 45 Espino has one of the best arms in this entire draft, with a fastball that sits in the high-90s and reaches 100 mph. His four-seam life is special; this fastball explodes at the top of the strike zone like it’s the Fourth of July. His slider is above average and comes in around 82 mph, and he also flashes a wipeout Uncle Charlie. He also throws a hard changeup that needs work in terms of arm speed. His pitching “tools” are as good as any in this draft. His smaller frame and long arm action drop him on some team’s draft lists, but he is still a first-round talent. 10. Brennan Malone, RHP, IMG Academy (Bradenton, Fla.) Age: 18 Height: 6-5 Weight: 210 Bats: R Throws: R FB: 60 CB: 45 SLI: 55 CH: 50 CTL: 45 CMND: 45 Malone has a four-pitch repertoire that includes a mid-90s fastball, a curveball, a slider and a changeup. His slider is the best of his secondary pitches, with a late two-plane break. He often gets around on his curve, but that should be easily corrected in time. His changeup has good arm speed, and the velocity differential from his fastball works. He has above-average athleticism to go with a relatively clean delivery.
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 5. George Kirby, RHP, Elon University Age: 21 Height: 6-4 Weight: 200 Bats: R Throws: R FB: 60 CB: 55 SLI: 55 CH: 55 CTL: 55 CMND: 60 Kirby is a strike-throwing machine, with a clean delivery that results in plus control and plus-plus command in the zone. He had the best strikeout-to-walk ratio in the country, one that has analytics departments screaming at their scouting directors to move him up their draft boards. His fastball is in the mid-90s, and he flashes an above-average curveball and slider, but he hasn’t been able to find consistency yet with either pitch. His best secondary pitch, however, might be his changeup, which has fade and deception. Kirby doesn’t have the best stuff in this draft, but his special command will get him drafted well ahead of many other top pitchers with bigger arms. Who's giving these rankings? Kirby has an equal or higher ranking than Lodolo in every category - yet ranks 5th, while Lodolo ranks 1st. I also love how they rank both control and command. That's got to trigger some people in here. Finally - I didn't know what Elon University was....a private liberal arts university. Didn't know s*** like that existed.
BlueRocky Old-Timey Member Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) I find guys like Kirby very underrated on the college side, while Priester and even Espino are a bit underrated in the prep side. Kirby is a strikeout machine in college with 4 above average/plus pitches and a plus command, a rare combination. 2019: 107 K to 6 BB in 88.1 IP 2018: 96 K to 27 BB in 90.1 IP This year’s numbers are absurd, 2.75 ERA and 0.8967 WHIP but he’s been pretty consistent too. Even had 3 complete games this year in 14 starts. I remember being higher than most on Grayson Rodriguez last year with lots of college success despite reports of the lower velo, he was also projected in the late teens/20s before O’s snatched him at 11. He’s been a stud and showed better velo numbers after getting drafted. He’s now no 86 on BA’s top 100. We’re mostly linked to Manoah and Rutledge, and there’s a good chance one or both will go before 11, which would mean a bat sliding down. This could be very interesting after the 6th pick. Edited May 31, 2019 by BlueRocky
metafour Verified Member Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 Kirby is rightfully questioned because he plays considerably lower competition than the other top college pitchers - therefore his gaudy numbers are pointless to compare to the other guys.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 It's still a joke to me that this trash franchise never picks in the Top 5. Well that will change in 2020. This team is looking like a 100 loss team, or damn close to it, and it should get worse when they start trading vetrins. This front office has been pretty damn good with the draft from the looks of it so next year's draft should be fun.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted May 31, 2019 Posted May 31, 2019 Golden Spikes finalists... https://www.usabaseball.com/golden-spikes-award/nominees/2019
P2F Old-Timey Member Posted June 1, 2019 Posted June 1, 2019 http://baseball-farm.com/index.php/2019/05/31/2019-mlb-draft-final-mock-w-explanations-comps-and-alternative-picks/ [h=3]11. Toronto Blue Jays [/h] http://baseball-farm.com/wp-content/plugins/StatsGen/TOR.png [h=3]Corbin Carroll, OF[/h] Bio: School: Lakeside HS (WA) Height: 5-10 Weight: 165 lbs Hits/Throws: L/L A lot of recent mocks have Carroll sliding into the mid to late first round and I just don’t buy it. Carroll plays about 10 minutes from my apartment in Seattle and i’ve been lucky enough to see many of his games as well as his insane summer at the bigger events. Carroll always performs and there are always scouts present. In particular, I’ve seen Blue Jays scouts at every single Carroll game i’ve been to this year. While Stott, Thompson and Rutledge appear to be options here; I think the Blue Jays brass are in love with Carroll and he will be the pick unless his asking price is astronomical. Carroll has a 60 bat, 50 power, 70 speed and plays solid CF. He also has been probably the best bat against high end prep arms in the class, has plus makeup and nearly won the damn HR derby.
Captain Adama Old-Timey Member Posted June 1, 2019 Posted June 1, 2019 I hope you guys are all ready come draft day when the Jay's pick someone that was on nobody's radar.
jmomcc Verified Member Posted June 1, 2019 Posted June 1, 2019 Right now. I'm hoping for Carroll or Bishop but I'm fine with whatever. This FO seem pretty competent in the draft.
TheOutsider Verified Member Posted June 1, 2019 Posted June 1, 2019 I find guys like Kirby very underrated on the college side, while Priester and even Espino are a bit underrated in the prep side. Kirby is a strikeout machine in college with 4 above average/plus pitches and a plus command, a rare combination. 2019: 107 K to 6 BB in 88.1 IP 2018: 96 K to 27 BB in 90.1 IP This year’s numbers are absurd, 2.75 ERA and 0.8967 WHIP but he’s been pretty consistent too. Even had 3 complete games this year in 14 starts. I remember being higher than most on Grayson Rodriguez last year with lots of college success despite reports of the lower velo, he was also projected in the late teens/20s before O’s snatched him at 11. He’s been a stud and showed better velo numbers after getting drafted. He’s now no 86 on BA’s top 100. We’re mostly linked to Manoah and Rutledge, and there’s a good chance one or both will go before 11, which would mean a bat sliding down. This could be very interesting after the 6th pick. I don't think this year's numbers are absurd for Kirby, I think they're more like bare minimum for a pitcher in an inferior conference to be considered in the first 15 picks imho. Now, Marcus Stroman, he had some elite strikeout numbers. Zack Thompson has 130 Ks in 90 innings, and he's in the SEC. Lodolo has a slightly higher K/9 in the Big12. Manoah has a great K/9 in that same Big12. Now, if you think Kirby's stuff is great he probably belongs in that group, but only because teams should have reservations about picking all of these guys (command, track record, injuries).
BlueRocky Old-Timey Member Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) I don't think this year's numbers are absurd for Kirby, I think they're more like bare minimum for a pitcher in an inferior conference to be considered in the first 15 picks imho. Now, Marcus Stroman, he had some elite strikeout numbers. Zack Thompson has 130 Ks in 90 innings, and he's in the SEC. Lodolo has a slightly higher K/9 in the Big12. Manoah has a great K/9 in that same Big12. Now, if you think Kirby's stuff is great he probably belongs in that group, but only because teams should have reservations about picking all of these guys (command, track record, injuries). I meant to say his K/BB ratio this year is ridiculous. But yes there’s at least one question mark with every pitcher, some more than one, hence it’s quite subjective to how they’re projected. I feel like Lodolo has an edge on some of the other guys simply because he’s a lefty and has the fewest question marks. The best pitcher in the first round might end up being picked end of the first round and it wouldn’t surprise me. Guys like Jack Leiter, Quin Priester and Daniel Espino could end up the best arms in this draft, yet none of them are considered top 10 picks. The way teams pick now have evolved and trending away from prep arms perhaps a little bit too extreme, for good reason. But some lucky team picking in the 20’s and 30’s could find tremendous value. At the end it’s all a crapshoot, and most of these kids won’t arrive until 2022-2025, might as well grab a kid you can dream on a little. Hence people want names like Carroll, Rutledge, or Baty. Edited June 2, 2019 by BlueRocky
Boxcar Old-Timey Member Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 Throw out all the mocks! Thanks, that was my plan Just based on pure write ups and limited video, I would like one of Baty, Carroll, Rutledge or Espino
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