Offseason Roster Thread

[G-Snarls]

Jays look like a 4th place team again on paper going in to 2019 (f*** you Tampa for being decent again)

 

I'm not very enthusiastic about the short term.

 

We need smart free agent signings/trades to improve the rotation and bullpen plus we need multiple prospects to develop as hoped to be really good by 2020/2021.

 

I do agree though that watching a young mediocre team with potential to improve is more fun than watching an old declining team even if they end up with the same W-L record.

[TheHurl]

Jays will be moving just three players up to the 40 man according to Shi. Diaz, Perez and Murphy? Leaving Jordan Romano, Jacob Waguespack, Corey Copping, Forrest Wall, Harold Ramirez, Kevin Vicuna, Travis Bergen and Max Pentecost exposed.

[Jimcanuck]

Jays look like a 4th place team again on paper going in to 2019 (f*** you Tampa for being decent again)

 

I'm not very enthusiastic about the short term.

 

We need smart free agent signings/trades to improve the rotation and bullpen plus we need multiple prospects to develop as hoped to be really good by 2020/2021.

 

I do agree though that watching a young mediocre team with potential to improve is more fun than watching an old declining team even if they end up with the same W-L record.

 

I wouldn't worry too much about the 2019 bullpen.

[glory]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/10/mlb-arbitration-salaries-2019.html

 

Seems pretty reasonable.

[Spanky__99]

[Spanky__99]

Arb projections...

 

Marcus Stroman – $7.2MM

Ken Giles – $6.6MM

Yangervis Solarte – $5.9MM

Kevin Pillar – $5.3MM

Randal Grichuk – $4.8MM

Aaron Sanchez – $3.8MM

Devon Travis – $2.4MM

Jake Petricka – $1.7MM

Ryan Tepera – $1.7MM

Brandon Drury – $1.4MM

Joe Biagini – $1.0MM

[Dr. Dinger]

DFA Travis and Solarte

[TheHurl]

DFA Solarte, Trade Pillar, suck Kikuchi's cock until he comes here. No idea what to do with Travis.

[Terminator]

DFA Travis and Solarte

 

I'd DFA Petricka as well.

[Jimcanuck]

I'd DFA Petricka as well.

 

Nah, throw him in the bullpen, abuse his arm

[glory]

I'd DFA Petricka as well.

 

Why? For around $1.5m it's not a huge amount of money. Velocity, K's, and GB's. These are the types you get lucky with for one year.

[Jimcanuck]

Why? For around $1.5m it's not a huge amount of money. Velocity, K's, and GB's. These are the types you get lucky with for one year.

 

Not only, but why sign FA RP or trade assets for RP for 2019? It's not the time. Plenty of arms to roster a BP and run guys up from Buffalo as needed. Give guys like Harris exposure from the BP when an extra arm is needed.

[Brownie19]

Why? For around $1.5m it's not a huge amount of money. Velocity, K's, and GB's. These are the types you get lucky with for one year.

 

His BABIP over his last 70 ML innings is like .387. If he can sustain his K/BB ratio and GB% - and combine it with a league average BABIP, he'll be a solid back of the pen guy.

[Terminator]

Why? For around $1.5m it's not a huge amount of money. Velocity, K's, and GB's. These are the types you get lucky with for one year.

 

It's not a huge amount of money but I don't think he's very good. He hasn't had a positive WAR season in a long time. Does he have options? If he has options I'd consider keeping him.

[glory]

It's not a huge amount of money but I don't think he's very good. He hasn't had a positive WAR season in a long time. Does he have options? If he has options I'd consider keeping him.

 

He had options this year, don't know about next year. Eh, I'd keep him. Mid-90's FB, gets GB's, strikes out a good amount. I could see him having a surprise 1.0 WAR season out of no where and then disappearing a year later. Or he could flame out completely. Relievers in a nutshell. Cost is low enough to justify keeping him if they decide to go that route.

[Bobthe4th]

It's not a huge amount of money but I don't think he's very good. He hasn't had a positive WAR season in a long time. Does he have options? If he has options I'd consider keeping him.

 

Yeah Petricka has options left. The only relievers who are out of options next season are Clippard, Tepera, Barnes and Guerrieri.

[Terminator]

Yeah Petricka has options left. The only relievers who are out of options next season are Clippard, Tepera, Barnes and Guerrieri.

 

Thanks. That would make it more palatable to me but we signed this guy to a minor league deal with an invite to spring training last year. Guys like him are a dime a dozen. I'd have to look at the 40 man but I'm not sure he did enough last year to warrant a guaranteed 40 man spot and nearly 2 million bucks.

 

If we really wanted him back he might agree to something less than what he's going to get in arbitration anyway.

[Ray]

With MLBTR's arb estimates, RosterResource estimates our payroll to be $98,708,571 for next season assuming all contracts are tendered. Add Smoaks $8M option and that rises to $106,708,571. That's without Solarte's contract.

 

Anyone know what est. payroll is going to be next season?

[G-Snarls]

With MLBTR's arb estimates, RosterResource estimates our payroll to be $98,708,571 for next season assuming all contracts are tendered. Add Smoaks $8M option and that rises to $106,708,571. That's without Solarte's contract.

 

Anyone know what est. payroll is going to be next season?

 

I'd be shocked if it's over 130M

[Ray]

I'd be shocked if it's over 130M

 

Plenty enough for a 1-2 year Happ deal and a couple upside plays for the bullpen. I think we're basically set on the position player side.

[Maine Jays]

With MLBTR's arb estimates, RosterResource estimates our payroll to be $98,708,571 for next season assuming all contracts are tendered. Add Smoaks $8M option and that rises to $106,708,571. That's without Solarte's contract.

 

Anyone know what est. payroll is going to be next season?

 

Half of that 106 is dedicated to three players who, assuming Jansen is the starting catcher, won't see the field defensively. Tulo 20, Martin 20, Morales 13. I'd still argue the 40M owed Tulo and Martin was worth 2015/16.

[Terminator]

Half of that 106 is dedicated to three players who, assuming Jansen is the starting catcher, won't see the field defensively. Tulo 20, Martin 20, Morales 13. I'd still argue the 40M owed Tulo and Martin was worth 2015/16.

 

Martin has definitely been worth it IMO. Tulo has been a dud. Morales is meh. Altogether it's a pretty bad collection of contracts at this point but the pain is going to start wearing off soon.

[G-Snarls]

Martin has definitely been worth it IMO. Tulo has been a dud. Morales is meh. Altogether it's a pretty bad collection of contracts at this point but the pain is going to start wearing off soon.

 

Morales 108 wRC+ and 0.2 WAR this year (for 11M)

Encarnacion 115 wRC+ and 1.0 WAR this year (for 17M plus part of 5M signing bonus)

 

~ Equally s***** "value" from the DH spot

[BTS]

Petricka is an easy non-tender for me at 1.7M.

[glory]

With MLBTR's arb estimates, RosterResource estimates our payroll to be $98,708,571 for next season assuming all contracts are tendered. Add Smoaks $8M option and that rises to $106,708,571. That's without Solarte's contract.

 

Anyone know what est. payroll is going to be next season?

 

I'd expect it to be pretty low in 2019 considering the team has no plans on contending and Shapiro doesn't like free agency anyway. They'll also be giving playing time to a lot of pre-arb and non expensive arb players. I think $130m is reasonable, but wouldn't surprise me if it's lower, especially if they decide to trade Smoak and Pillar.

[saskjayfan]

I'd expect it to be pretty low in 2019 considering the team has no plans on contending and Shapiro doesn't like free agency anyway. They'll also be giving playing time to a lot of pre-arb and non expensive arb players. I think $130m is reasonable, but wouldn't surprise me if it's lower, especially if they decide to trade Smoak and Pillar.

 

 

This team has zero starting pitching....it's time to start trading to get some pitching prospects.

[BTS]

This team has zero starting pitching....it's time to start trading to get some pitching prospects.

 

Paying assets for pitching prospects is almost always a bad idea. Pick up interesting arms on the cheap when you can, or a trade for/sign actual healthy MLB arms. The odds of a highly touted MiLB arm actually contributing as a good MLB starter are so small.

[Bobthe4th]

This team has zero starting pitching....it's time to start trading to get some pitching prospects.

 

You have a strange definition of zero.

[saskjayfan]

Paying assets for pitching prospects is almost always a bad idea. Pick up interesting arms on the cheap when you can, or a trade for/sign actual healthy MLB arms. The odds of a highly touted MiLB arm actually contributing as a good MLB starter are so small.

 

 

"odds of a highly touted MiLB arm actually contributing as a good MLB starter are so small"

 

 

So Why are people so convinced an average MiLB pitcher in Merryweather is a solid number three MLB starter nest year then..lol. I don't care if it's trade for existing MLB arm, sign proven free agent arms or drafting them. We probably aren't competing the next two years and stroman and Sanchez will be gone. I'm not sure how good those two are the next 2 years anyways. You probably need a pipeline of 10 to 12 guys to get 3 or 4 guys that can be quality controllable starters that you can supplement with 2 or 3 more guys from free agency. I like Reid foley, Pearson, maybe Borucki, some might throw in ZeuchÂ….I'm not sure I would. There's some interesting young international arms...but I don't think the list is anywhere near long enough. I hope they focus on Pitching with next year's top pick.

[Pendleton]

"odds of a highly touted MiLB arm actually contributing as a good MLB starter are so small"

 

 

So Why are people so convinced an average MiLB pitcher in Merryweather is a solid number three MLB starter nest year then..lol. I don't care if it's trade for existing MLB arm, sign proven free agent arms or drafting them. We probably aren't competing the next two years and stroman and Sanchez will be gone. I'm not sure how good those two are the next 2 years anyways. You probably need a pipeline of 10 to 12 guys to get 3 or 4 guys that can be quality controllable starters that you can supplement with 2 or 3 more guys from free agency. I like Reid foley, Pearson, maybe Borucki, some might throw in ZeuchÂ….I'm not sure I would. There's some interesting young international arms...but I don't think the list is anywhere near long enough. I hope they focus on Pitching with next year's top pick.

 

Quote one post where anyone was sure Merryweather would be anything. There's a difference between believing something is possible and thinking that it's likely.