Donaldson Aug 31 Trade Thread

[glory]

I honestly only feel happiness. I hope they win it all this year.

 

A team that’s under .500 against every team not in the AL Central (last time I checked) should not win it all. They basically have one Blue Jays and three Orioles in their division.

 

I’d rather the Red Sox win than Cleveland, and I hate everything about Boston.

[Boxcar]

I'm rooting for the A's tbh.

[Spanky99]

LETS GO OAKLAND *CLAP, CLAP* *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP*

 

Honestly, I don't care as long as the Red Sox or Yankees are done, plus good baseball.

[Spanky99]

I'm rooting for the A's tbh.

 

What happened to the Yankees?

[glory]

I would root for the A's, but I think a Yankees/Red Sox ALDS is better for baseball. I know baseball is almost entirely regional now, but that is the one series that will get some mainstream publicity. I hate seeing MLB ignored.

[Boxcar]

What happened to the Yankees?

 

I want to see Matt Olson win a ring

 

Oh, and what happened to you blocking me, dick?

[Spanky99]

I want to see Matt Olson win a ring

 

Oh, and what happened to you blocking me, dick?

 

Cause you quit being a dick, dick? I'm not fond of personal attacks from my "friends".

[saskjayfan]

It would have been absurd to trade Donaldson for Flaherty and like Gomber or something in the offseason.

 

trading Donaldson for a guy who will never play in the majors seems equally absurd.

[Spanky99]

trading Donaldson for a guy who will never play in the majors seems equally absurd.

 

lol... and here we are. No-one foreseen JD playing 30 games aside from jimcanuck, that take was is and will always be better than a 2nd round comp pick. Don't be so obtuse.

[Spanky99]

I had Flaherty pegged as a stud so I'm allowed to be as remorseful as I want over this hypothetical scenario.

 

lol... f***-off.

[saskjayfan]

lol... and here we are. No-one foreseen JD playing 30 games aside from jimcanuck, that take was is and will always be better than a 2nd round comp pick. Don't be so obtuse.

 

A guy coming off tommy john surgery who's closer to 30 than 20 and will likely be entering his decline years by the time he gets to the majors if ever is better than a 2nd round pick. I'm obtuse all right.

[Spanky99]

A guy coming off tommy john surgery who's closer to 30 than 20 and will likely be entering his decline years by the time he gets to the majors if ever is better than a 2nd round pick. I'm obtuse all right.

 

Bah Gaaawwwwd... *Stone Cold intro music*

 

BA writeup after 2017 season

 

Following a breakout 2016 season, Merryweather carried that momentum into 2017. After a strong start to the season with Double-A Akron, he was promoted to Triple-A at the end of May. While Merryweather's results suffered down the stretch with the Clippers, his stuff and peripherals remained strong. Merryweather has the stuff to start, but still is learning some of the finer points of pitching. His fastball sits in the mid 90s and regularly reaches 97 mph. His changeup can be an above-average pitch with fading action, but he will need to tighten the pitch up to get hitters to chase it more often. He throws both a curveball and a slider, which can be average offerings. He does a good job of using his 6-foot-4 frame to his advantage and works well down in the strike zone to create groundouts. He throws a lot of strikes and repeats his delivery well. Merryweather has the potential to be a starter in the big leagues, but he will be 26 on Opening Day and breaking into the Indians' already crowded rotation is no easy task. He'll start 2018 back at Columbus and have a chance to pitch his way into the mix in Cleveland.

 

From last year by Longenhagen...

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/inst...ect-notes-531/

 

Julian Merryweather, RHP, Cleveland (Profile)

Level: Triple-A Age: 25 Org Rank: NR Top 100: NR

Line: 8 IP, 4 H, 0 BB, 8 K

 

Notes

I left Merryweather off of Cleveland’s offseason list entirely because I had reports from scouts who thought he was succeeding as a 24-year-old in A-ball due to deception, a good changeup, and little else. Turns out that was foolish. Merryweather is 25 but he’s pitched his way to Columbus and he carved up one of the more talented lineups in the International League yesterday, garnering swings and misses with all three pitches. He’s deceptive, athletic, touched 95 several times, flashed a plus curveball and changeup, and despite some issues timing all the moving parts of his delivery, he threw lots of strikes. There are scouts who think he fits better in relief, but he has mid-rotation stuff.

 

Better percentile than any f***ing 2nd round sandwich pick at 75-80

 

I Said Good Day!

[glory]

Merryweather's age 26 season was wiped out due to injury, otherwise he probably reaches the bigs this year (either for the Indians or another team). He will be 27 next year and at least half the season will probably be lost (and the other half will be spent rehabbing), but in a best case if he's ready to start in 2020, that covers age 28-33. Not young, but not ancient either.

[saskjayfan]

Bah Gaaawwwwd... *Stone Cold intro music*

 

BA writeup after 2017 season

 

Following a breakout 2016 season, Merryweather carried that momentum into 2017. After a strong start to the season with Double-A Akron, he was promoted to Triple-A at the end of May. While Merryweather's results suffered down the stretch with the Clippers, his stuff and peripherals remained strong. Merryweather has the stuff to start, but still is learning some of the finer points of pitching. His fastball sits in the mid 90s and regularly reaches 97 mph. His changeup can be an above-average pitch with fading action, but he will need to tighten the pitch up to get hitters to chase it more often. He throws both a curveball and a slider, which can be average offerings. He does a good job of using his 6-foot-4 frame to his advantage and works well down in the strike zone to create groundouts. He throws a lot of strikes and repeats his delivery well. Merryweather has the potential to be a starter in the big leagues, but he will be 26 on Opening Day and breaking into the Indians' already crowded rotation is no easy task. He'll start 2018 back at Columbus and have a chance to pitch his way into the mix in Cleveland.

 

From last year by Longenhagen...

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/inst...ect-notes-531/

 

Julian Merryweather, RHP, Cleveland (Profile)

Level: Triple-A Age: 25 Org Rank: NR Top 100: NR

Line: 8 IP, 4 H, 0 BB, 8 K

 

Notes

I left Merryweather off of Cleveland’s offseason list entirely because I had reports from scouts who thought he was succeeding as a 24-year-old in A-ball due to deception, a good changeup, and little else. Turns out that was foolish. Merryweather is 25 but he’s pitched his way to Columbus and he carved up one of the more talented lineups in the International League yesterday, garnering swings and misses with all three pitches. He’s deceptive, athletic, touched 95 several times, flashed a plus curveball and changeup, and despite some issues timing all the moving parts of his delivery, he threw lots of strikes. There are scouts who think he fits better in relief, but he has mid-rotation stuff.

 

He's ho hum nothing special coming off tommy john and lucky to get a chance in the majors next year. He'll be 27 in less than a month. The average 2nd round pick is worth more than a guy who's going to do nothing.

[saskjayfan]

He's 27 in less than 30 days.....he's garbage.

[Spanky99]

He's ho hum nothing special coming off tommy john and lucky to get a chance in the majors next year. He'll be 27 in less than a month. The average 2nd round pick is worth more than a guy who's going to do nothing.

 

*sighs* It's the other way around dumn-dumn.

[saskjayfan]

Merryweather's age 26 season was wiped out due to injury, otherwise he probably reaches the bigs this year (either for the Indians or another team). He will be 27 next year and at least half the season will probably be lost (and the other half will be spent rehabbing), but in a best case if he's ready to start in 2020, that covers age 28-33. Not young, but not ancient either.

 

He's not 27 next year...he's 27 in less than 30 days. It might say 27 on baseball ref and fangraphs, but if he would have been born 3 weeks earlier it would say 28.

[Spanky99]

Merryweather's age 26 season was wiped out due to injury, otherwise he probably reaches the bigs this year (either for the Indians or another team). He will be 27 next year and at least half the season will probably be lost (and the other half will be spent rehabbing), but in a best case if he's ready to start in 2020, that covers age 28-33. Not young, but not ancient either.

 

And under control, I don't get bringing up age other than he's seasoned/groomed/developed and and ready, lol.

[glory]

He's not 27 next year...he's 27 in less than 30 days. It might say 27 on baseball ref and fangraphs, but if he would have been born 3 weeks earlier it would say 28.

 

He'll be 27 for all of the 2019 season. That's how age is looked at in baseball. This was his age 26 season. Next year will be 27.

[Spanky99]

He's not 27 next year...he's 27 in less than 30 days. It might say 27 on baseball ref and fangraphs, but if he would have been born 3 weeks earlier it would say 28.

 

So "f***ING" what? What's your point?

[P2F]

He's not 27 next year...he's 27 in less than 30 days. It might say 27 on baseball ref and fangraphs, but if he would have been born 3 weeks earlier it would say 28.

 

For the record, Merryweather clears the age 28 hurdle next season by two and a half months. Jul. 31 is the cut-off for birthdays.

[BTS]

trading Donaldson for a guy who will never play in the majors seems equally absurd.

 

I'm completely sure that you would have been in here complaining if they had traded him for Jack Flaherty in December.

[Abomination]

Don't forget Blue Jays legend Matt Boyd serving them up.

 

Boyd has had a quietly effective year this year. He's up to 2.6 WAR, decent walk and K rates.

[Boxcar]

A guy coming off tommy john surgery who's closer to 30 than 20 and will likely be entering his decline years by the time he gets to the majors if ever is better than a 2nd round pick. I'm obtuse all right.

 

Yep. Maybe you should research what you're talking about before saying it and maybe you'll look less obtuse.

[Boxcar]

Bah Gaaawwwwd... *Stone Cold intro music*

 

BA writeup after 2017 season

 

Following a breakout 2016 season, Merryweather carried that momentum into 2017. After a strong start to the season with Double-A Akron, he was promoted to Triple-A at the end of May. While Merryweather's results suffered down the stretch with the Clippers, his stuff and peripherals remained strong. Merryweather has the stuff to start, but still is learning some of the finer points of pitching. His fastball sits in the mid 90s and regularly reaches 97 mph. His changeup can be an above-average pitch with fading action, but he will need to tighten the pitch up to get hitters to chase it more often. He throws both a curveball and a slider, which can be average offerings. He does a good job of using his 6-foot-4 frame to his advantage and works well down in the strike zone to create groundouts. He throws a lot of strikes and repeats his delivery well. Merryweather has the potential to be a starter in the big leagues, but he will be 26 on Opening Day and breaking into the Indians' already crowded rotation is no easy task. He'll start 2018 back at Columbus and have a chance to pitch his way into the mix in Cleveland.

 

From last year by Longenhagen...

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/inst...ect-notes-531/

 

Julian Merryweather, RHP, Cleveland (Profile)

Level: Triple-A Age: 25 Org Rank: NR Top 100: NR

Line: 8 IP, 4 H, 0 BB, 8 K

 

Notes

I left Merryweather off of Cleveland’s offseason list entirely because I had reports from scouts who thought he was succeeding as a 24-year-old in A-ball due to deception, a good changeup, and little else. Turns out that was foolish. Merryweather is 25 but he’s pitched his way to Columbus and he carved up one of the more talented lineups in the International League yesterday, garnering swings and misses with all three pitches. He’s deceptive, athletic, touched 95 several times, flashed a plus curveball and changeup, and despite some issues timing all the moving parts of his delivery, he threw lots of strikes. There are scouts who think he fits better in relief, but he has mid-rotation stuff.

 

Better percentile than any f***ing 2nd round sandwich pick at 75-80

 

I Said Good Day!

 

You're the man, Spanky

[Orgfiller]

Boyd has had a quietly effective year this year. He's up to 2.6 WAR, decent walk and K rates.

 

Yeah he's been very good this year. Helped me out a lot in LOD as a matter of fact.

[Orgfiller]

He's 27 in less than 30 days.....he's garbage.

 

Check out when Kluber made his debut. I'm not saying they're the same at all, but obviously the same FO that found this hidden gem might be capable of finding another solid starter who's devalued heavily due to age and injury.

[Jimcanuck]

lol... and here we are. No-one foreseen JD playing 30 games aside from jimcanuck, that take was is and will always be better than a 2nd round comp pick. Don't be so obtuse.

 

Stop being an ass. The only thing I said was the risk of keeping JD (due to the injury risk) was not worth the low chance at the postseason.

[saskjayfan]

Check out when Kluber made his debut. I'm not saying they're the same at all, but obviously the same FO that found this hidden gem might be capable of finding another solid starter who's devalued heavily due to age and injury.

 

Ok, I didn't realize the age cutoff wasn't season end, but he's still an old 27 next year. He could be an outlier. A second round pick would be far more valuable. In a couple years we can revisit and see if he's an outlier, until then I will continue to consider him garbage. He's a back end starter at best, more likely a bullpen guy with an injury history.

[Captain Adama]

Ok, I didn't realize the age cutoff wasn't season end, but he's still an old 27 next year. He could be an outlier. A second round pick would be far more valuable. In a couple years we can revisit and see if he's an outlier, until then I will continue to consider him garbage. He's a back end starter at best, more likely a bullpen guy with an injury history.

 

This is absolutely not true. Second round picks whom make it to triple AAA, with good stuff and numbers no less-- is much less likely than you think. Again this front office's history of finding excellent pitchers out of nowhere is well documented, so I'd give them some leeway of finding a decent player.