General 2018 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[TheHurl]

28 years ago today was the Jays trade with San Diego. WAR didn't exist of course but got into a discussion about the trade and tried to find a comparable today.

 

To Jays

 

Alomar 20 years old, 3.9 fWAR in his rookie year

Joe Carter 30 years old 1990 -2.0 fWAR, 1989 1.8 fWAR, 1988 3.2 fWAR 2 years left on his contract as a top 10 paid player (crazy that $4M was top 10)

 

to SD

 

Fred McGriff 27 years old 1990 5.5 fWAR, 1989 6.4 fWAR, 1988 6.6 fWAR 2 years of Arbitration remaining. Signed a 2 year extension after the deal (4 years $16M the 5th biggest contract)

Tony Fernandez 28 years old 1990 4.9 fWAR, 1989 3.6 fWAR, 1988 4.4 fWAR. 3 years left on his contract at an AAV of $2.2M.

 

Best example I could give was Houston trading Altuve (him being the equivalent to McGriff after the extension) and Springer for Soto and Zimmerman. Worked out mostly because Olerud and Winfield/Molitor more than replaced McGriff/Olerud.

 

It's still one of the most interesting deals to look back on, and knowing that a similar deal will almost never happen again. I apologize in advance for the upcoming Olerud post.

[Carlos Danger]

28 years ago today was the Jays trade with San Diego. WAR didn't exist of course but got into a discussion about the trade and tried to find a comparable today.

 

To Jays

 

Alomar 20 years old, 3.9 fWAR in his rookie year

Joe Carter 30 years old 1990 -2.0 fWAR, 1989 1.8 fWAR, 1988 3.2 fWAR 2 years left on his contract as a top 10 paid player (crazy that $4M was top 10)

 

to SD

 

Fred McGriff 27 years old 1990 5.5 fWAR, 1989 6.4 fWAR, 1988 6.6 fWAR 2 years of Arbitration remaining. Signed a 2 year extension after the deal (4 years $16M the 5th biggest contract)

Tony Fernandez 28 years old 1990 4.9 fWAR, 1989 3.6 fWAR, 1988 4.4 fWAR. 3 years left on his contract at an AAV of $2.2M.

 

Best example I could give was Houston trading Altuve (him being the equivalent to McGriff after the extension) and Springer for Soto and Zimmerman. Worked out mostly because Olerud and Winfield/Molitor more than replaced McGriff/Olerud.

 

It's still one of the most interesting deals to look back on, and knowing that a similar deal will almost never happen again. I apologize in advance for the upcoming Olerud post.

 

Before I respond to this post. Could I ask how old you were when this trade happened. Only like elementary school, middle school, high school, been already working for 20 yrs etc?

[Spanky__99]

lol

[Olerud363]

28 years ago today was the Jays trade with San Diego. WAR didn't exist of course but got into a discussion about the trade and tried to find a comparable today.

 

To Jays

 

Alomar 20 years old, 3.9 fWAR in his rookie year

Joe Carter 30 years old 1990 -2.0 fWAR, 1989 1.8 fWAR, 1988 3.2 fWAR 2 years left on his contract as a top 10 paid player (crazy that $4M was top 10)

 

to SD

 

Fred McGriff 27 years old 1990 5.5 fWAR, 1989 6.4 fWAR, 1988 6.6 fWAR 2 years of Arbitration remaining. Signed a 2 year extension after the deal (4 years $16M the 5th biggest contract)

Tony Fernandez 28 years old 1990 4.9 fWAR, 1989 3.6 fWAR, 1988 4.4 fWAR. 3 years left on his contract at an AAV of $2.2M.

 

Best example I could give was Houston trading Altuve (him being the equivalent to McGriff after the extension) and Springer for Soto and Zimmerman. Worked out mostly because Olerud and Winfield/Molitor more than replaced McGriff/Olerud.

 

It's still one of the most interesting deals to look back on, and knowing that a similar deal will almost never happen again. I apologize in advance for the upcoming Olerud post.

 

Alomar was 22 and had just finished his 3rd year, with WAR of 3.9, 3.8, and 3.0.

 

Toronto Traded 10.4 1990 fWAR, for 1 1990 fWAR

 

It worked out because

 

a) Alomar developed into an even better player

Carter went back to being 1988 Carter

c) The Jays of 1983 to 1993 were very well run and were contending every year anyway.

 

It's hard to come up with an equivalent trade. Basically it was a giant WAR mismatch that worked out.

 

A trade like that will never happen again. Imagine trading for Chris Davis, or Matt Kemp after a bad year, or Vernon Wells age 30 as part of a large package.

 

WAR would stop it. + the contracts are longer.

[Olerud363]

Before I respond to this post. Could I ask how old you were when this trade happened. Only like elementary school, middle school, high school, been already working for 20 yrs etc?

 

Hi Carlos

 

I was 15 years old when this trade happened. I was on a road trip to Toronto and in the Eaton's center. The TVs at the time were much smaller then we have today, and I could occasionally see images of McGriff and Fernandez on the TVs throughout the day but didn't think much of it. I could not really read the words (which must of said "Blockbuster Trade" scrolling by, because, as I mentioned the TVs were just way smaller, and not in every single restaurant and storefront. Just thought it was an end of year recap or something.

 

When I got home (it was a bus trip) very late. My Dad told me about the trade. I didn't know much about Roberto Alomar so I ran up to get my "Bill James Baseball Book", to see what Bill thought. He liked Alomar a lot, so that made me feel better about the trade.

[BTS]

Before I respond to this post. Could I ask how old you were when this trade happened. Only like elementary school, middle school, high school, been already working for 20 yrs etc?

 

Hurl is like 70

[TheHurl]

Alomar was 22 and had just finished his 3rd year, with WAR of 3.9, 3.8, and 3.0.

 

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Apologies he was the one guy I didn't look up as I was certain he had just completed his rookie year. Nice catch

[Todd Van Anus]

Any truth to the rumour the Jays are in on Keuchel?

[Spanky__99]

Any truth to the rumour the Jays are in on Keuchel?

 

Well, it's just that... a rumour.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/12/blue-jays-interested-in-dallas-keuchel.html

[Krylian]

If Keuchel has any interest in winning in the next 2-3 years, Toronto is not the place for him. Unless the Jays overpay... And they won't do that. Edited December 8, 2018 by Krylian

[TheHurl]

Keuchel loves all things Italy. What's more Italian than Toronto...I mean other than New York, and Philly...well Chicago and Boston are up there too.

[Boxcar]

Keuchel loves all things Italy. What's more Italian than Toronto...I mean other than New York, and Philly...well Chicago and Boston are up there too.

 

Lol New York isn't Italian. It's New York.

 

All those snobby pizzeria owners don't even speak Italian. Watch that Ugly Delicious episode where they went to Italy with Mark Iacono and he needed a f***ing translator. They just have no qualms with telling you what's allowed to be called pizza and what isn't.

[TheHurl]

Lol New York isn't Italian. It's New York.

 

All those snobby pizzeria owners don't even speak Italian. Watch that Ugly Delicious episode where they went to Italy with Mark Iacono and he needed a f***ing translator. They just have no qualms with telling you what's allowed to be called pizza and what isn't.

 

Is equating all things Italian to pizza...racist?

[Terminator]

[Spanky__99]

[Laika]

 

#BringKendallHome

[Slade]

All for bringing Gravemen back.

[Spanky__99]

#BringKendallHome

 

It would have to be a 2 year deal as he's rehabbing from TJS, 2 years 10 million?

[baubau]

It would have to be a 2 year deal as he's rehabbing from TJS, 2 years 10 million?

 

Woah Spanky. Down boy. His last contract was 2.4M in arb. He should be had for around 2 years $4M. Maybe if the team wants some extra control 2 year, 4M with a team option for a 3rd year with a 1M buy out. But 10 Mil over 2 years?

We'll see how this shakes out. I'll be shocked if he averages over 3M per.

[Spanky__99]

Woah Spanky. Down boy. His last contract was 2.4M in arb. He should be had for around 2 years $4M. Maybe if the team wants some extra control 2 year, 4M with a team option for a 3rd year with a 1M buy out. But 10 Mil over 2 years?

We'll see how this shakes out. I'll be shocked if he averages over 3M per.

 

lol... thanks. I just assumed he's made more in the past. That makes sense.

[Ray]

I'd love to get Yusei Kikuchi. He has good upside, and we won't have to pay full market rate for him since he's unproven at the MLB level. But it's a risk we can afford to take since we're not expected to be competative next season. Only projected to get 6 years and $42M by TradeRumors.

[jays4life19]

Yusei Kikuchi suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[L54]

Yusei Kikuchi suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

Probably outperforms the entire Jays rotation

[Spanky__99]

Yusei Kikuchi suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

You're just salty, bro.

[King]

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#BlueJays met with five teams and five firms at winter meetings today. Doesn’t sound like anything is imminent. Ross Atkins described the interest in Stroman/Sanchez as “significant” but said they’re so talented it would “very difficult” to get equal return.

 

 

 

lol anyone who follows baseball knows this is blatant posturing. Stroman and Sanchez are good as gone.

[Pendleton]

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#BlueJays met with five teams and five firms at winter meetings today. Doesn’t sound like anything is imminent. Ross Atkins described the interest in Stroman/Sanchez as “significant” but said they’re so talented it would “very difficult” to get equal return.

 

 

 

lol anyone who follows baseball knows this is blatant posturing. Stroman and Sanchez are good as gone.

 

Which one are we trading for Jon Gray?

[Brownie19]

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#BlueJays met with five teams and five firms at winter meetings today. Doesn’t sound like anything is imminent. Ross Atkins described the interest in Stroman/Sanchez as “significant” but said they’re so talented it would “very difficult” to get equal return.

 

 

 

lol anyone who follows baseball knows this is blatant posturing. Stroman and Sanchez are good as gone.

 

Has Atkins seen Sanchez pitch?

[Terminator]

Not sure that this has been discussed yet but the Denver Post reported that Pillar was a "trade possibility" to the Rockies. I would love to see Smoak, Pillar, Stroman and Sanchez dealt.

[P2F]

Pillar for Gray - get 'er done, Atkins. Fap fap fap.

[Abomination]

Pillar for Gray - get 'er done, Atkins. Fap fap fap.

 

That would be amazing lol.