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[BTS]

Is Harold Baines now the worst non-closer ever inducted?

[Terminator]

Baines is a really bad choice. Never got higher than 6.1 percent with the writers vote. Smith is also pretty bad but closers have a lower threshold.

[Captain Adama]

Is Harold Baines now the worst non-closer ever inducted?

 

Probably second to Bill Mazeroski. But to do so now, with all the information we have is goddamn embarrasing. These veteran committee f***ers need to die off already.

 

He's never even had a 5 WAR season FFS.

[Terminator]

So does this mean Fred McGriff gets in now? If so does he go in a Jay?

[Captain Adama]

So does this mean Fred McGriff gets in now? If so does he go in a Jay?

 

Highly doubt it. Probably as a Brave.

[Boxcar]

So basically practically anyone who played a full and relatively injury free career is a HOF these days?

 

Harold Baines and Jack Morris are in the HoF.

 

Not in the HoF:

Jim Edmonds

Kenny Lofton

Larry Walker

Barry Bonds

Edgar Martinez

Kevin Brown

Curt Schilling

Mike Mussina

 

What is this

[BTS]

So basically practically anyone who played a full and relatively injury free career is a HOF these days?

 

Harold Baines and Jack Morris are in the HoF.

 

Not in the HoF:

Jim Edmonds

Kenny Lofton

Larry Walker

Barry Bonds

Edgar Martinez

Kevin Brown

Curt Schilling

Mike Mussina

 

What is this

 

It doesn't make any sense. Most of those guys played as long as guys like Baines and Morris, but were much better players. Baines getting elected given the information available now is ridiculous. I'd be embarrassed if I were him.

 

Baines had ONE season with more than 3.0 fWAR.

[Brownie19]

Harold Baines? This is f***ing insanity.

[Brownie19]

Did he though? Or did he say he’d be at ST?

 

"Agent Scott Boras has confirmed to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport that Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray will not pursue a career in professional football."

 

I read he has to give back the $4.66M signing bonus in full to Oakland if he wants to pursue football.

[BTS]

A few players with as many or more career fWAR than Baines:

 

Ryan Zimmerman

Aramis Ramirez

Placido Polanco

Alfonso Soriano

Carl Crawford

Hanley Ramirez

Ryan Braun

Torii Hunter

Ben Zobrist

Jose Reyes

 

I wonder how many of them will be inducted?

[Boxcar]

A few players with as many or more career fWAR than Baines:

 

Ryan Zimmerman

Aramis Ramirez

Placido Polanco

Alfonso Soriano

Carl Crawford

Hanley Ramirez

Ryan Braun

Torii Hunter

Ben Zobrist

Jose Reyes

 

I wonder how many of them will be inducted?

 

Man, when you put it like that it's really f***ing hilarious.

[Brownie19]

Why the f*** is there a veteran's committee in the first place?

[Spanky__99]

Is Harold Baines now the worst non-closer ever inducted?

 

Yes, so wrong.

[Abomination]

Baines probably would have been hall worthy if he had been average defensively in the outfield. For crying out loud, he made Canseco look good by comparison.

[Spanky__99]

So the Winter Meetings start officially tomorrow, although everyone's there now... my body's ready.

[BTS]

So the Winter Meetings start officially tomorrow, although everyone's there now... my body's ready.

 

We could use some Jays news. Flipping Diaz off for Thornton isn't really cutting it.

[Boxcar]

 

Holy f***

[Spanky__99]

 

Hahahaha...

[TheHurl]

Baines is a "we still have control of this thing, not you statsy types" vote. Led by two huge Baines proponents LaRussa (who managed him for quite a few years and has many times called him "his MVP") and Reinsdorf. Don't know who the other 10 that voted for him are but I'm guessing there is some influence.

 

The 10 on the ballot were stupid (as is the fact that there are just 10 on this ballot). I mean Steinbrenner deserves in, Pinella I can buy it...but Joe f***ing Carter. May as well have a fan vote.

[TheHurl]

Best tweet was "if you put everyone better than Baines in Cooperstown, they wouldn't fit in Cooperstown"

[Bobthe4th]

Baines' Stunning Hall of Fame Election Is an Embarrassment

 

So I guess anymore with a 20 year career now has to get in? That’s surely the only excuse the Veterans Committee has for voting for Baines?

[Spanky__99]

Sun reporter busting Wilner's chops, lol. Man, even Jesse Barfield had more fWAR than Baines.

 

[Brownie19]

A few players with as many or more career fWAR than Baines:

 

Ryan Zimmerman

Aramis Ramirez

Placido Polanco

Alfonso Soriano

Carl Crawford

Hanley Ramirez

Ryan Braun

Torii Hunter

Ben Zobrist

Jose Reyes

 

I wonder how many of them will be inducted?

 

Don't forget Mike Cameron, Brian Giles, Matt Holliday, Jason Giambi, Granderson, Kinsler, Tony Phillips, Mark Grace, Matt Williams, Ellis Burks, Johnny Damon, Delgado, Tony Fernandez, Brett Butler, Julio Franco, Devo, David Justice, Ray Lankford, Chuck Knoblauck, Reggie Sanders, Jason Kendell, Steve Findley and Gary Gaetti

 

Awesome!

Edited December 10, 2018 by Brownie19

[Brownie19]

According to Jim Bowden of The Athletic, the Royals are close to a deal with free agent outfielder Billy Hamilton.

 

Mike Napoli announced his retirement as a player on Saturday.

[Brownie19]

I was just reading who's on the Dinosaur Committee...

 

Roberto Alomar

Bret Blyleven

Pat Gillick

Tony LaRussa

Greg Maddux

JOE f***ING MORGAN

John Schuerholz

Ozzie Smith

Joe Torre

Al Avila

Paul Beeston

Andy MacPhail

Jerry Reinsdorft

+ 3 media guys that I’ve never heard of (I’m shocked Jeff Blair isn’t on this).

 

Greg Maddux is too bright to vote for Harold Baines.

[TheHurl]

and it's a different committee that nominates the 10 on the ballot. Those selections were terrible.

 

Beyond Smith and Baines it was:

Steinbrenner (I could have bought him getting in)

Pinella (just one WS hurts but the record for wins in a season kind of makes up for not having a second)

Hershiser (peaks were great)

Belle (5 times in the top 10 MVP voting, but he's Albert)

Will Clark (hall of above average)

Joe Carter (LOL)

Davey Johnson (If it was just for overall baseball maybe...but there are better managers and much better players)

Charlie Manuel (why? Just why?)

[Terminator]

I was just reading who's on the Dinosaur Committee...

 

Roberto Alomar

Bret Blyleven

Pat Gillick

Tony LaRussa

Greg Maddux

JOE f***ING MORGAN

John Schuerholz

Ozzie Smith

Joe Torre

Al Avila

Paul Beeston

Andy MacPhail

Jerry Reinsdorft

+ 3 media guys that I’ve never heard of (I’m shocked Jeff Blair isn’t on this).

 

Greg Maddux is too bright to vote for Harold Baines.

 

Makes sense why that group would vote for him. Baines was hitting in the middle of a lineup for half the AL teams in the league for the better part of 22 seasons. Pulling that off in itself is going to impress players and other baseball types who are sure to envy a career like that. Those 22 seasons coincided with the careers of nearly everyone on the list too.

 

The problem is he was a bad fielder/DH type who never even hit 30 homers in a season. Racking up counting stats is pretty much the only thing he ever did and he still didn't even hit any groundbreaking milestones like 3000 hits or 500 homers.

[Brownie19]

and it's a different committee that nominates the 10 on the ballot. Those selections were terrible.

 

Beyond Smith and Baines it was:

Steinbrenner (I could have bought him getting in)

Pinella (just one WS hurts but the record for wins in a season kind of makes up for not having a second)

Hershiser (peaks were great)

Belle (5 times in the top 10 MVP voting, but he's Albert)

Will Clark (hall of above average)

Joe Carter (LOL)

Davey Johnson (If it was just for overall baseball maybe...but there are better managers and much better players)

Charlie Manuel (why? Just why?)

 

Joe Carter being on the nominee list might be more erroneous as Baines getting inducted. A short list of players with more career WAR than Carter includes:

 

Carlos Pena, Rickie Weeks Jrs, Mookie Wilson, Colby Rasmus, Royce Clayton, Erick Aybar, David Freese and Pablo Sandoval.

[TheHurl]

And I laughed at Charlie Manuel because he didn't really manage that long and I hated those Phillie teams...but only one losing season out of the 12 he managed is actually pretty impressive

[Daniel Labude]

NYY tried to get Trammell for Sonny Gray..............