Jays in on Ozuna. Boring off-season

[Dick_Pole]

It's kind of bizarre, what was the rush to trade Ozuna? Alcantara is alright, but he's a pitcher and not even a consensus Top 100 guy. They should have at least been able to get Reyes here. I would have thought that many teams would be in on Ozuna, given his youth and relatively modest projected arb salary. They should have been able to get at the very least at Top 50 position prospect and some near-MLB ready ~50 FV types.

 

I can draw some parallels to Beane-Donaldson-AA opportunity. Rather than biding your time, Miami's dumbass FO (possibly forced by the new owners) is slapping a price tag on their merchandise in a garage sale and the first one that walks buy and offers something remotely reasonable gets a deal.

 

This timing is absolutely asinine.....doing this mid-December.

[BTS]

It's kind of bizarre, what was the rush to trade Ozuna? Alcantara is alright, but he's a pitcher and not even a consensus Top 100 guy. They should have at least been able to get Reyes here. I would have thought that many teams would be in on Ozuna, given his youth and relatively modest projected arb salary. They should have been able to get at the very least at Top 50 position prospect and some near-MLB ready ~50 FV types.

 

I was just assuming Reyes was going to be involved. Alcantara being the centerpiece is an egregious return. This reminds me of the Simmons trade.

[Jonn]

I mean thats it? WTF? I feel like we could have beat that without giving up Vlad or Bichette easily.

[Brownie19]

Although there's a strong possibility this trade reflects the inability of the Marlin's FO to properly valuing assets.....I think there's also a chance that people around baseball do not believe last year was a true reflection of Ozuna's abilities. If most see him closer to the 2 WAR player he was in 2015 + 2016, then this return makes a lot more sense.

[Brownie19]

Yelich is like Hosmer in that a swing adjustment may make him even more valuable. He still hits 55% of balls into the ground - making it all the more impressive he's able to provide 4.5 WAR a year. I'd give up Bo or Pearson if needed to get him without a second thought.

[Dr. Dinger]

This timing is absolutely asinine.....doing this mid-December.

 

Yep, multiple years of control. Makes no sense to rush and accept this offer. The Marlins are going to be horrid for several years. Good luck paying down that $400M in debt when you have no ticket revenue.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yep, multiple years of control. Makes no sense to rush and accept this offer. The Marlins are going to be horrid for several years. Good luck paying down that $400M in debt when you have no ticket revenue.

 

To be fair they already had no ticket revenue lol.

[Brownie19]

Yep, multiple years of control. Makes no sense to rush and accept this offer. The Marlins are going to be horrid for several years. Good luck paying down that $400M in debt when you have no ticket revenue.

 

The best part is my 7 year old just asked for a Marlin's hat for Christmas (which we ordered). I have no idea why he wanted it (he also asked for a Houston Astros's WS championship hat). He may now be their only fan.

[Sammy225]

The best part is my 7 year old just asked for a Marlin's hat for Christmas (which we ordered). I have no idea why he wanted it (he also asked for a Houston Astros's WS championship hat). He may now be their only fan.

 

My wife went to Miami and she brought me back a Marlins hat because i am a lover of all baseball hats.... However i may have to hang that one up for a few years lol

[BTS]

Magneuris Sierra in the deal too. That makes things look a bit better.

[TheHurl]

Yelich is not moving now unless the return is higher than anyone should be willing to pay

[TheHurl]

Magneuris Sierra in the deal too. That makes things look a bit better.

 

Marlins love those guys that are young and on the 40 man already.

[P2F]

Zac Gallen and Daniel Costano round out the return. Sierra is all glove and Alcantara is probably a reliever.

 

f***ing lol.

[Pendleton]

Zac Gallen and Daniel Costano round out the return. Sierra is all glove and Alcantara is probably a reliever.

 

f***ing lol.

 

That's just sad.

[BTS]

Zac Gallen and Daniel Costano round out the return. Sierra is all glove and Alcantara is probably a reliever.

 

f***ing lol.

 

Welp, those last two pieces suck. Overall return is very bad.

[saskjayfan]

Welp, those last two pieces suck. Overall return is very bad.

 

and you said Vlad would have to be involved if we got him. We could have probably kept Vlad, Alford and bichette and still got him.

[BTS]

and you said Vlad would have to be involved if we got him. We could have probably kept Vlad, Alford and bichette and still got him.

 

Yeah. I thought Miami would get $50M+ in value for him, and they got half that.

[Orgfiller]

Zac Gallen and Daniel Costano round out the return. Sierra is all glove and Alcantara is probably a reliever.

 

f***ing lol.

 

Gross return. I get saving money and tearing it down to do a full rebuild, but this is an egregious transfer of value.

[Dr. Dinger]

Probably the kind of return we'd be looking at for JD

[Abomination]

In theory we could use a Donaldson return to get Yelich essentially, without touching Vladdy or Bichette. I'd rather take on a bad contract instead, but that's always a possibility. 1 year of Donaldson for 5 cheap years of Yelich would be fantastic.

[BTS]

Gross return. I get saving money and tearing it down to do a full rebuild, but this is an egregious transfer of value.

 

I don’t understand how this happens, even if they wanted a quick deal. His salary isn’t prohibitive, so there should have been at least half a dozen teams in on him. The market should have developed on it’s own - there’s no way Sierra, Alcantara and trash was the top offer.

 

I guess the easiest explanation is that the FO has no idea what it’s doing.

[jays_fever]

Pretty disappointing that we couldn't beat that

[BTS]

Probably the kind of return we'd be looking at for JD

 

JD is probably about as valuable as Ozuna, and I’d be livid with this return.

[Abomination]

Probably the kind of return we'd be looking at for JD

 

I doubt it. I think our front office would go quality over quantity, plus they're not in a position where they HAVE to sell.

[JG34]

Yuck, Marlins must’ve felt bad for getting the Cards’ hopes up on Stanton, so gifted them Ozuna.

[Jimcanuck]

At this point I'd have no plm moving JD to the Yanks to fill their 3B hole, and take back Ellsbury and his contract and whatever prospects that gets you.

[THANOS]

Apparently Alcantara is the centerpiece. The Marlins have completely botched this trade.

 

Where would Alcantara fall in our top prospects rankings?

[Terminator]

At this point I'd have no plm moving JD to the Yanks to fill their 3B hole, and take back Ellsbury and his contract and whatever prospects that gets you.

 

Wait a second. This is your plan?

 

-Trade JD to a division and WC rival (okay not ideal but shouldn't be a dealbreaker)

-Take back a s*** contract (uhh...)

-Take "whatever" prospects this gets us

 

...

[Pendleton]

At this point I'd have no plm moving JD to the Yanks to fill their 3B hole, and take back Ellsbury and his contract and whatever prospects that gets you.

 

Gleyber is their top prospect and he's not exciting enough to give up Donaldson and take on Ellsbury.

[jays4life19]

Gleyber is their top prospect and he's not exciting enough to give up Donaldson and take on Ellsbury.

 

He's like a top 5 prospect in the game