Roy Halladay dies in a Plane Crash...RIP

[max silver]

No, that is exactly my point. I don't put someone who becomes addicted to any type of drug because suffering from PTSD, in the same boat as some 17 yr old who gets addicted because he/she was running around with the cool crowd and they thought it was the cool thing to do.

 

That wasn't what you said at all though, you were saying it was ok to be addicted to drug if it was prescribed to you. Now as long as something messed your head up it's ok to use illegal drugs too.

[Carlos Danger]

That wasn't what you said at all though, you were saying it was ok to be addicted to drug if it was prescribed to you. Now as long as something messed your head up it's ok to use illegal drugs too.

 

To clarify, I am pretty sure I put PTSD in one of my prior posts. I am in general trying to differentiate between the reason for the addiction. In the case of heroin, it is a substitute for pain pills and one of the reasons I did not use an an example

 

In general terms, because there are a 1000 hypotheticals, and the point I am trying to make is: I have more sympathy for someone with a substance abuse problem due to legit s*** like PTSD and trauma etc then some kid who started because of peer pressure, cool crowd, their parents didn't love them enough, they didn't get the part in the high school play, their girlfriend broke up with them, Trump won the election, climate change, or their parents cut off their allowance and they are so stressed because they can't find a job with their degree in underwater basket weaving.

[max silver]

To clarify, I am pretty sure I put PTSD in one of my prior posts. I am in general trying to differentiate between the reason for the addiction. In the case of heroin, it is a substitute for pain pills and one of the reasons I did not use an an example

 

In general terms, because there are a 1000 hypotheticals, and the point I am trying to make is: I have more sympathy for someone with a substance abuse problem due to legit s*** like PTSD and trauma etc then some kid who started because of peer pressure, cool crowd, their parents didn't love them enough, they didn't get the part in the high school play, their girlfriend broke up with them, Trump won the election, climate change, or their parents cut off their allowance and they are so stressed because they can't find a job with their degree in underwater basket weaving.

 

You are contradicting yourself from earlier posts.

 

Seems like a lot of you want to make excuses and coddle people who became self-addicted to recreational drugs.

 

There are people who made a choice and others who by no fault of their own or following doctors recommendations became addicts.

 

Not equal to me and never will be.

[Pendleton]

To clarify, I am pretty sure I put PTSD in one of my prior posts. I am in general trying to differentiate between the reason for the addiction. In the case of heroin, it is a substitute for pain pills and one of the reasons I did not use an an example

 

In general terms, because there are a 1000 hypotheticals, and the point I am trying to make is: I have more sympathy for someone with a substance abuse problem due to legit s*** like PTSD and trauma etc then some kid who started because of peer pressure, cool crowd, their parents didn't love them enough, they didn't get the part in the high school play, their girlfriend broke up with them, Trump won the election, climate change, or their parents cut off their allowance and they are so stressed because they can't find a job with their degree in underwater basket weaving.

 

Contradicting yourself of course. Independent league journeymen at best

[Carlos Danger]

You are contradicting yourself from earlier posts.

 

Dude, if you haven't got my point or position by now, you are never going to get it.

 

We started out talking about Halladay and my examples started out more specific to that. Then the discussion broadened. Even in the example you cited, I said recreational.

 

A guy suffering from PTSD is NOT my meaning of recreational drug use.

[max silver]

Dude, if you haven't got my point or position by now, you are never going to get it.

 

We started out talking about Halladay and my examples started out more specific to that. Then the discussion broadened. Even in the example you cited, I said recreational.

 

A guy suffering from PTSD is NOT my meaning of recreational drug use.

 

Either way the guy with PTSD that uses an illegal drug to self medicate is explicitly choosing to use any drug that isn't prescribed to him. By your own rigid criteria we should hold this person responsible for their addiction. If you can't even keep your own criteria straight for whether or not somebody is to be blamed for their drug use then you should be able to see how many holes there are in this whole line of thinking.

[Carlos Danger]

Either way the guy with PTSD that uses an illegal drug to self medicate is explicitly choosing to use any drug that isn't prescribed to him. By your own rigid criteria we should hold this person responsible for their addiction. If you can't even keep your own criteria straight for whether or not somebody is to be blamed for their drug use then you should be able to see how many holes there are in this whole line of thinking.

 

I am not writing a scientific paper that requires 3 citations per statement. I am on a fnnn baseball chat board with a total of like 22 other posters.

 

People who get addicted due to social partying etc, etc does not equal IMO those who get addicted due to injury, PTSD, prescriptions pretty fnnn simple concept to understand.

 

You are trying to play gotcha on a fnn baseball chatboard. To any reasonable person I have made my point/opinion pretty clear.

 

I was also making my points/opinion without attacking anyone personally. Then my jealous little fanboy decided to chase me around threads and make personal comments.. Fine, big fnn deal, but I am going to come right back at you if you go down that road.

[Beans]

To clarify, I am pretty sure I put PTSD in one of my prior posts. I am in general trying to differentiate between the reason for the addiction. In the case of heroin, it is a substitute for pain pills and one of the reasons I did not use an an example

 

No offence, but you sound like an ******* making these differentiations.

 

In general terms, because there are a 1000 hypotheticals, and the point I am trying to make is: I have more sympathy for someone with a substance abuse problem due to legit s*** like PTSD and trauma etc then some kid who started because of peer pressure, cool crowd, their parents didn't love them enough, they didn't get the part in the high school play, their girlfriend broke up with them, Trump won the election, climate change, or their parents cut off their allowance and they are so stressed because they can't find a job with their degree in underwater basket weaving.

 

And this fixation on teenagers makes you sound bitter. Not every junkie was wasted in high school.

 

(Con respeto.)

 

The point everyone is trying to make is that it's more complicated than you're making it out to be.

[Carlos Danger]

No offence, but you sound like an ******* making these differentiations.

 

 

 

And this fixation on teenagers makes you sound bitter. Not every junkie was wasted in high school.

 

(Con respeto.)

 

No offense taken.

 

I don't expect everyone to have the same opinion. If we all were in lock-step on this board, it would be pretty fnnn boring.

 

We can still be trading buddies and have different viewpoints

 

I am going to take credit for stimulating debate and posts, regardless if you and others don't agree with me.

 

Someone pointed out in a previous post that addictions started out in the teens. Hence I keep referring to teens to be germain to the data.

[Pendleton]

I am not writing a scientific paper that requires 3 citations per statement. I am on a fnnn baseball chat board with a total of like 22 other posters.

 

People who get addicted due to social partying etc, etc does not equal IMO those who get addicted due to injury, PTSD, prescriptions pretty fnnn simple concept to understand.

 

You are trying to play gotcha on a fnn baseball chatboard. To any reasonable person I have made my point/opinion pretty clear.

 

I was also making my points/opinion without attacking anyone personally. Then my jealous little fanboy decided to chase me around threads and make personal comments.. Fine, big fnn deal, but I am going to come right back at you if you go down that road.

 

Lol it was a quote from a television show jokingly pointing out your complete ignorance on the subject. Struck quite a nerve evidently, you'd have to be awful thin skinned to consider that a personal comment.

[Brownie19]

holy f*** - that fell apart quickly.

[AintNoThang]

I'm sure we all have good drug stories, but drugs killed Roy Halladay, so for now maybe hold off on sharing.

 

I don't like the cut of your jib, beans!

[Grant77]

It sucks to have these unpleasant memories brought back up in the news again. Drug addiction and abuse can happen to anyone, even those that you least expect. RIP Roy.

[Boxcar]

Fnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[Boxcar]

Dude, if you haven't got my point or position by now, you are never going to get it.

 

We started out talking about Halladay and my examples started out more specific to that. Then the discussion broadened. Even in the example you cited, I said recreational.

 

A guy suffering from PTSD is NOT my meaning of recreational drug use.

 

I know it's fictional, but I really like the way The Wire portrayed addicts.

 

 

It takes one bad decision to get hooked on something like heroin for life. Some of those people might be bad, others might be good, but this really seems like the kind of annoying moral grandstanding that vegans do.

[Carlos Danger]

I know it's fictional, but I really like the way The Wire portrayed addicts.

 

 

It takes one bad decision to get hooked on something like heroin for life. Some of those people might be bad, others might be good, but this really seems like the kind of annoying moral grandstanding that vegans do.

 

Criticizing vegans will be my next subject when the board needs a shot in the arm to create some more posting and debate. It was getting pretty dead here for a while outside 2-3 threads if that.

[Beans]

I know it's fictional, but I really like the way The Wire portrayed addicts.

 

 

It takes one bad decision to get hooked on something like heroin for life. Some of those people might be bad, others might be good, but this really seems like the kind of annoying moral grandstanding that vegans do.

 

Man, I recommend watching 'The Corner.' It's a six-part miniseries, made by David Simon and Ed Burns a couple years before they made 'The Wire.' The portrayal of addicts is very good, because it's largely based on a nonfiction book David Simon wrote following Ed Burns around for a year investigating homicides on the streets of Baltimore.

 

Here's a good scene:

Edited April 18, 2020 by Beans

[Bobthe4th]

Could be interesting:

 

[Spanky99]

Ughhh... how did I forget about this.

 

I was just going through the Sun's baseball forum and read this column, was pretty good.

 

https://torontosun.com/sports/baseball/toronto-blue-jays/brandy-halladay-makes-plea-to-allow-her-late-husband-jays-star-pitcher-to-rest-in-peace

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29224260/inside-roy-halladay-struggle-pain-addiction

 

Damn... Is there anyone here have a link, where I could download or watch the documentary?

Edited May 31, 2020 by Spanky99

[Brownie19]

Ughhh... how did I forget about this.

 

I was just going through the Sun's baseball forum and read this column, was pretty good.

 

https://torontosun.com/sports/baseball/toronto-blue-jays/brandy-halladay-makes-plea-to-allow-her-late-husband-jays-star-pitcher-to-rest-in-peace

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29224260/inside-roy-halladay-struggle-pain-addiction

 

Damn... Is there anyone here have a link, where I could download or watch the documentary?

 

Same - I thought it started at 8 and went down to hit record at like 7:30 only to find it half over. I scrolled through and couldn't find any re-runs. Has anyone found it online yet? Please share.

[Spanky99]

Same - I thought it started at 8 and went down to hit record at like 7:30 only to find it half over. I scrolled through and couldn't find any re-runs. Has anyone found it online yet? Please share.

 

It's available On Demand, lol... I'll wait for a link possibly, or when TSN airs it.

[BlueRocky]

I watched it, I thought the documentary was well done. I almost teared up at a few parts to be honest.

 

Brandy’s narrations were a tad irritating at times, but there are parts of the story impossible to tell without her perspective. I hold Doc in high regard, with or without the issues that has come to light.

 

I hope there’s a link somewhere with full video to share for people that haven’t seen it.

[Brownie19]

TSN re-aired it last night. I've taped it, but haven't watched yet. I suspect it will be on TSN somewhat regularly for the next little bit.

[Spanky99]

TSN re-aired it last night. I've taped it, but haven't watched yet. I suspect it will be on TSN somewhat regularly for the next little bit.

 

Godammit!

[Dick_Pole]

TSN re-aired it last night. I've taped it, but haven't watched yet. I suspect it will be on TSN somewhat regularly for the next little bit.

 

YouTube upload please

[Spanky99]

YouTube upload please

 

Every one want's it.

[Brownie19]

I watched it, I thought the documentary was well done. I almost teared up at a few parts to be honest.

 

Brandy’s narrations were a tad irritating at times, but there are parts of the story impossible to tell without her perspective. I hold Doc in high regard, with or without the issues that has come to light.

 

I hope there’s a link somewhere with full video to share for people that haven’t seen it.

 

I finally watched it. Really enjoyed it and would generally echo was BlueRocky said.