Trade Josh Donaldson?

[Dr. Dinger]

What kind of package do you see the Jays getting and from who exactly?

 

Just looking at the possible landing spots, it would probably be the Red Sox with a Devers offer or the Astros with a Bregman offer.

 

Edit: nvm, assumed you guys were talking about Donaldson

[Dick_Pole]

What kind of package do you see the Jays getting and from who exactly?

 

Just looking at the possible landing spots, it would probably be the Red Sox with a Devers offer or the Astros with a Bregman offer.

 

Edit: nvm, assumed you guys were talking about Donaldson

 

Pretty much what Dinger said. MLB-ready young talent to soften the blow of trading Donaldson plus another prospect in the #5-10 depth range of the buyer's farm. Maybe some add-ons. If some salary has to shift to make it happen, then do it. Jays have cash to spare if they are selling and need to build up their upper-level farm to make sure this team is exciting, relevant and hopefully competitive as soon as possible if the sell route takes place. Goins and Carrera cannot be staples of this club getting 500+ PA next season if the FO doesn't want to hemorrhage their base of casual fans earned in 2015-16.

 

We were talking about Donaldson, my release comment was sarcasm.

[Dr. Dinger]

Cubs/Schwarber would be another possibility. They are flexible with where they play Bryant and their hands are pretty well tied with Schwarber. Either Schwarber or Eloy would be considerable centrepieces. Maybe we could even get both if we include Happ or Estrada.

[burlingtonbandit]

Pretty much what Dinger said. MLB-ready young talent to soften the blow of trading Donaldson plus another prospect in the #5-10 depth range of the buyer's farm. Maybe some add-ons. If some salary has to shift to make it happen, then do it. Jays have cash to spare if they are selling and need to build up their upper-level farm to make sure this team is exciting, relevant and hopefully competitive as soon as possible if the sell route takes place. Goins and Carrera cannot be staples of this club getting 500+ PA next season if the FO doesn't want to hemorrhage their base of casual fans earned in 2015-16.

 

We were talking about Donaldson, my release comment was sarcasm.

 

You made it sound like one of these teams with an established 3rd baseman would make a deal for Donaldson so I'm saying what package do you see one of these teams making? I said the Red Sox with Devers or Yankees with Torres make the most sense and that outside them and the Astros there aren't any trade partners that have the need, prospects and financial resources.

[burlingtonbandit]

Cubs/Schwarber would be another possibility. They are flexible with where they play Bryant and their hands are pretty well tied with Schwarber. Either Schwarber or Eloy would be considerable centrepieces. Maybe we could even get both if we include Happ or Estrada.

 

I'd pass on Schwarber. Jimenez would be great if they also added a couple other guys although I can't see them making Bryant a fulltime LF.

[Brownie19]

Cubs/Schwarber would be another possibility. They are flexible with where they play Bryant and their hands are pretty well tied with Schwarber. Either Schwarber or Eloy would be considerable centrepieces. Maybe we could even get both if we include Happ or Estrada.

 

Boner time.

[P2F]

Dylan Cease, too. Why not?

[Mikeleelop]

trade him

 

Vlad Jr is your 3B of the future. Bo is your 2B of the future. Both will be ready for MLB in late 2019

 

get prospects that will be ready to go in a similar timeframe

[Daniel Labude]

trade him

 

Vlad Jr is your 3B of the future. Bo is your 2B of the future. Both will be ready for MLB in late 2019

 

get prospects that will be ready to go in a similar timeframe

 

Gurriel at SS and Alford OF as well

[Daniel Labude]

Is this the most lopsided poll in BJMB history?

[glory]

Gurriel at SS and Alford OF as well

 

Warmoth at short, Guirrel in Zobrist role.

[THANOS]

trade him

 

Vlad Jr is your 3B of the future. Bo is your 2B of the future. Both will be ready for MLB in late 2019

 

get prospects that will be ready to go in a similar timeframe

 

Gurriel at SS and Alford OF as well

 

Warmoth at short, Guirrel in Zobrist role.

 

CF Alford

3B Bichette

1B Vladito

LF Eloy Jimenez

RF Gurriel Jr

SS Warmoth

C Jansen

DH Tellez

2B Urena

 

Something like this maybe, assuming Vlad and Bo don't stick at their positions?

 

Rotation could be:

 

Stroman

Sanchez

SRF

Romano

Pearson

 

We could be looking at this as early as late 2019/early 2020.

Edited July 4, 2017 by THANOS

[Dr. Dinger]

It's just about time to trade Donaldson, Happ, and Estrada. Bautista could possibly be moved too, though we'd have to eat money to get a decent prospect for him. With Tulo and Bautista in steep decline and Travis possibly a dead asset, this team is no longer viable and too much of a hole has been dug for this season. I think it's a good seller's market, bring it on.

[burlingtonbandit]

CF Alford

3B Bichette

1B Vladito

LF Eloy Jimenez

RF Gurriel Jr

SS Warmoth

C Jansen

DH Tellez

2B Urena

 

Something like this maybe, assuming Vlad and Bo don't stick at their positions?

 

Rotation could be:

 

Stroman

Sanchez

SRF

Romano

Pearson

 

We could be looking at this as early as late 2019/early 2020.

 

I'll put the over/under of players actually on that team then at 3.5

[Omar]

Indians could be a darkhorse buyer for Donaldson. They could give us Kipnis and prospects and move Ramirez to 2B.

 

Love Kipnis....but to add another player in his thirties? No way.

[TheHurl]

We're not getting anything better than a rule 5 candidate for Goins and agree with you that the market for Bautista is extremely limited.

 

this makes sense to me...but they have continually said that teams have been calling. So maybe you get a younger version of Goins who you think can develop a hit tool

 

Osuna - why would you trade him unless we're going full rebuild in which case every single player should be up for trade. Even if you think next year is a right off, 2019 could easily have Alford, Bo, Vlad, Gurriel all playing, that's nearly half a team that could then be really good in 2020 no matter what happens in the meantime. Osuna has great trade value because he's such a valuable asset as he reached the majors so early, he's still young with 3 more years of control. Lights out relievers are hard to find, incredibly expensive to sign in free agency, and are underrated by WAR.

 

The returns that top relievers are getting is more valuable than their value to the teams IMO. Plus the volatility in relievers is unreal. An example would be Broxton who was great as a 21 year old and for the next 4 years. He was only average after that (can't remember if it was injury related but I assume it was)...of course K-Rod is another guy that closed very young and he kept going for quite a few years.

[Jimcanuck]

It's just about time to trade Donaldson, Happ, and Estrada. Bautista could possibly be moved too, though we'd have to eat money to get a decent prospect for him. With Tulo and Bautista in steep decline and Travis possibly a dead asset, this team is no longer viable and too much of a hole has been dug for this season. I think it's a good seller's market, bring it on.

 

As much as I like Osuna, contending teams have been overvaluing relievers the last few years. He's had TJS and seems to have episode of arm fatigue every year. I'd move him.

[Dr. Dinger]

As much as I like Osuna, contending teams have been overvaluing relievers the last few years. He's had TJS and seems to have episode of arm fatigue every year. I'd move him.

 

If we can get a Clint Frazier or Gleyber Torres level prospect for him, sure. Victor Robles for Osuna would be a no brainer for the Jays. Considering his years of control and salary, Osuna's trade value should exceed the Chapman rental, and be on par with Miller and Kimbrel when they were traded.

[burlingtonbandit]

It's just about time to trade Donaldson, Happ, and Estrada. Bautista could possibly be moved too, though we'd have to eat money to get a decent prospect for him. With Tulo and Bautista in steep decline and Travis possibly a dead asset, this team is no longer viable and too much of a hole has been dug for this season. I think it's a good seller's market, bring it on.

 

I don't know if it will be that good of a seller's market you have a ton of players available in the positions the Jays are selling.

 

OF: Martinez, Cutch, Granderson, Bruce and then possibly Maybin, Cain, Dyson, Kris Davis

 

SP: Quintanta, Cueto, Samardzja, Verlander, Gray, Cole

 

3B: Donaldson, Frazier, Cozart, Moustakas

 

Obviously not all these guys will get traded but with the new QO system expiring contracts are going to get moved for w.e. Osuna might return the best package if you think of what Miller and Chapman got last year.

[Abomination]

If we can get a Clint Frazier or Gleyber Torres level prospect for him, sure. Victor Robles for Osuna would be a no brainer for the Jays. Considering his years of control and salary, Osuna's trade value should exceed the Chapman rental, and be on par with Miller and Kimbrel when they were traded.

 

Robles for Osuna would probably be a good move for both teams.

 

Happ to the Brewers for Corey Ray would be a nice fit too.

[Ray]

Nats window is this season and the next before Harper and Murphy are free agents. It'd be smarter for them to pick up David Robertson and Joe Smith than Roberto Osuna. Would strengthen their pen without giving up Robles. Not to mention they weren't willing to give up Robles for Chris Sale. I hardly doubt they want to give him up for a reliever, no matter how controllable or elite he is.

[wamco]

CF Alford

3B Bichette

1B Vladito

LF Eloy Jimenez

RF Gurriel Jr

SS Warmoth

C Jansen

DH Telex

2B Urena

 

 

 

Something like this maybe, assuming Vlad and Bo don't stick at their positions?

 

Rotation could be:

 

Stroman

Sanchez

SRF

Romano

Pearson

 

M

 

 

We could be looking at this as early as late 2019/early 2020.[/quote

 

 

-and that team could lose 90 games

[Daniel Labude]

CF Alford

3B Bichette

1B Vladito

LF Eloy Jimenez

RF Gurriel Jr

SS Warmoth

C Jansen

DH Telex

2B Urena

 

 

 

Something like this maybe, assuming Vlad and Bo don't stick at their positions?

 

Rotation could be:

 

Stroman

Sanchez

SRF

Romano

Pearson

 

M

 

 

We could be looking at this as early as late 2019/early 2020.[/quote

 

 

-and that team could lose 90 games

 

More likely to win 120 games though

[L54]

I'll put the over/under of players actually on that team then at 3.5

 

I was thinking the same thing.

[burlingtonbandit]

Donaldson down to a 114wRC+. He better start hitting/get healthy soon if the Jays are really going to get some star prospects back.

[Daniel Labude]

Donaldson down to a 114wRC+. He better start hitting/get healthy soon if the Jays are really going to get some star prospects back.

 

He probably only had a 15% chance of being traded this season anyways imo

[John_Havok]

Robles for Osuna would probably be a good move for both teams.

 

Happ to the Brewers for Corey Ray would be a nice fit too.

 

Washington would be stupid to trade Robles for Osuna

[jays4life19]

Washington would be stupid to trade Robles for Osuna

 

Well i don't disagree with that recent history has shown elite RP's command quite the prospect price tag at the deadline.

[John_Havok]

Well i don't disagree with that recent history has shown elite RP's command quite the prospect price tag at the deadline.

 

True but Chapman isn't just elite, Miller isn't just elite, they're basically the best of the best of the best and have been for years. Jansen and Betances probably round out the top tier of relievers over the past 3 seasons that Osuna has been around.

 

The Chapman and Miller trades both netted a top 30ish prospect and some throw ins. I don't think Washington would then find it agreeable to trade a top 10 prospect who they're probably counting in to fill part of Harpers shoes if he leaves, for more of a package that arguably the best 2 relievers in the game went for.... even if he's under control for three more seasons after this one. His arbitration deals will actually cost them money because he's got dem savez!

 

Chapman was a rental they resigned,, but Miller was under control.

[art_vandelay275]

Interesting read

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-seek-immediate-long-term-help-deadline/

 

what i got out of it is that it's on the fly rebuild; if there's an opportunity to get better, whether it's long or short term, you do it

 

the not trading JD part, i don't know if davidi is just reading into it or shapiro actually said it