2017 First-Year Player Draft | Day 3 | June 14 - 12:00 PM ET

[Gary]

Apparently Jays selected Roger Clemens son.

[metafour]

The Yankees select Tristan Beck in the 29th round and you can hear loud applause in the background as they're hanging up.

 

f*** this gay earth.

 

They were applauding in the background? It was announced earlier today that Beck was going back to Stanford to play with his brother.

[TwistedLogic]

They were applauding in the background? It was announced earlier today that Beck was going back to Stanford to play with his brother.

 

You could definitely hear loud cheers and applause in the room right as they announced the pick in the few seconds before they hung up. Maybe they figured out a way to sign Beck. Maybe they were just cheering for the sake of cheering. I hope it's the latter. We'll find out in a few weeks.

[metafour]

You tell us a lot of things. You told us that there was no chance the Jays would sign Pruitt. You also told us that when we did sign Pruitt, it was almost certainly because Maese was injured, even though that assumption made no sense and was entirely irrelevant to Pruitt even if it was true.

 

None of us think they should just go out and waste picks on guys they'll never sign. We'd be excited if they did pick somebody good with their late picks because it would mean that they did get something done to make a signing possible. None of us know anything about their finances for the draft and it's obnoxious for anyone to pretend that they do.

 

LOL.

 

You can use some common sense. You are advocating taking guys who will take ~$2 million+ to sign (Beck, Burns) when you know damn well that we haven't saved that money anywhere. No, I don't know what every pick will sign for, but you can use logic again to estimate things. Guys like Kevin Smith, Riley Adams are not saving you any real money. The guys taken rounds 6-10 have such small values allotted to them that you literally only save considerable money if you take guys who will sign for ~$5000 , and we didn't take any guys who clearly fit that profile. The guys we took may not have been ranked 'X' high, but none of them are "I'll sign for a bag of balls and a chance to play" guys either. Maybe you save enough from there to sign one HS or JUCO kid for ~$300K over, but there isn't any real saving there to go after a kid who is dropping because they want seven figures. That isn't even taking into account the fact that we have no idea whether Danner will even take slot to sign.

 

This same thing happened last year when a number of you "concluded" that our ~7th-10th rounders were well under-slot guys when they clearly weren't, and in fact they all ended up signing for around slot.

 

By the way, the single biggest tell as to how much a team has left to spend comes from what they do in the 11th round. They have all night to re-evaluate their board and re-gauge price tags. If they had significant money saved, this is where they'd pop that big HS kid after negotiating the night before. What did we do? We took another College JR.

[metafour]

Maybe they figured out a way to sign Beck.

 

It took them 29 rounds to figure out a way to sign him? What could they possibly have figure out? If there was a "way", they wouldn't have waited until the 29th round to take him, as some other team could have easily taken him for shits and giggles.

 

Look at what they're doing: they took 6 "ranked" players from rounds 24 to 37. They're obviously just drafting these kids for the hell of it.

[TwistedLogic]

It took them 29 rounds to figure out a way to sign him? What could they possibly have figure out? If there was a "way", they wouldn't have waited until the 29th round to take him, as some other team could have easily taken him for shits and giggles.

 

Look at what they're doing: they took 6 "ranked" players from rounds 24 to 37. They're obviously just drafting these kids for the hell of it.

 

Way to ignore the rest of my post. Is anybody on this forum a more blatant troglodyte than this guy? Now that the draft is over you can crawl back into your hole and stop quoting me.

[metafour]

Way to ignore the rest of my post. Is anybody on this forum a more blatant troglodyte than this guy? Now that the draft is over you can crawl back into your hole and stop quoting me.

 

You didn't say anything else of value. What? Maybe they sign him, maybe they dont? OK...cool. He's not signing.

[TwistedLogic]

You didn't say anything else of value. What? Maybe they sign him, maybe they dont? OK...cool. He's not signing.

 

You asked if they were applauding. I confirmed that yes, they were applauding. Do I know why? I do not. Do I know whether or not you're an idiot troll who thinks he knows more than he does? I do; you are.

[Krylian]

Did I count correctly? Only 8 HS players drafted by the Jays.

[GeorgiaPeach]

They were applauding in the background? It was announced earlier today that Beck was going back to Stanford to play with his brother.

 

Maybe they were happy they drafted a guy that gets to play college football with his brother

[GeorgiaPeach]

LOL.

 

You can use some common sense. You are advocating taking guys who will take ~$2 million+ to sign (Beck, Burns) when you know damn well that we haven't saved that money anywhere. No, I don't know what every pick will sign for, but you can use logic again to estimate things. Guys like Kevin Smith, Riley Adams are not saving you any real money. The guys taken rounds 6-10 have such small values allotted to them that you literally only save considerable money if you take guys who will sign for ~$5000 , and we didn't take any guys who clearly fit that profile. The guys we took may not have been ranked 'X' high, but none of them are "I'll sign for a bag of balls and a chance to play" guys either. Maybe you save enough from there to sign one HS or JUCO kid for ~$300K over, but there isn't any real saving there to go after a kid who is dropping because they want seven figures. That isn't even taking into account the fact that we have no idea whether Danner will even take slot to sign.

 

This same thing happened last year when a number of you "concluded" that our ~7th-10th rounders were well under-slot guys when they clearly weren't, and in fact they all ended up signing for around slot.

 

By the way, the single biggest tell as to how much a team has left to spend comes from what they do in the 11th round. They have all night to re-evaluate their board and re-gauge price tags. If they had significant money saved, this is where they'd pop that big HS kid after negotiating the night before. What did we do? We took another College JR.

 

If guys are clearly committed to going to college, what's the point of drafting them? It happens every year and every team does it.

[metafour]

If guys are clearly committed to going to college, what's the point of drafting them? It happens every year and every team does it.

 

None of these teams have enough roster spots for 40 draft picks anyway.

[Laika]

None of these teams have enough roster spots for 40 draft picks anyway.

 

They aren't punting all the picks. There's always a chance that the player's demands change.

[John_Havok]

If guys are clearly committed to going to college, what's the point of drafting them? It happens every year and every team does it.

 

Yep, because you just never know what a kid will do when you wave cash in front of him. Some of them change their tune in a hurry

[Pendleton]

If guys are clearly committed to going to college, what's the point of drafting them? It happens every year and every team does it.

 

Every once in awhile the late sales pitch works out. Not often, but often enough to say "why the f*** not" with some picks here and there rather than taking a college player with less ceiling.

[metafour]

They aren't punting all the picks. There's always a chance that the player's demands change.

 

Yeah, but its more in case of something going wrong elsewhere so you've got some fall-back options. Some of the fringy HS kids can obviously sign, but no "top HS kid" who's price tag is top 2-3 round money is going to all of a sudden say "$300K? You know what, sure!". That doesn't happen.

[Laika]

Yeah, but its more in case of something going wrong elsewhere so you've got some fall-back options. Some of the fringy HS kids can obviously sign, but no "top HS kid" who's price tag is top 2-3 round money is going to all of a sudden say "$300K? You know what, sure!". That doesn't happen.

 

I think this probably does happen. Rarely, but it certainly does from time to time.

[TwistedLogic]

I think this probably does happen. Rarely, but it certainly does from time to time.

 

It literally happened with Reggie Pruitt, who signed for only 500K after this metafour kid said there was no chance he was signing. I can't speak for what people were saying last year because I wasn't on this forum during the last draft, but this guy already ate his words twice in 2015 when Pruitt signed and it turned out that it was just a straight play by the FO and wasn't because Maese suffered some sort of mysterious injury that suddenly cratered his signing bonus. Things change and guys who sometimes say they'll never sign end up signing for less than what anyone expected if you say or do the right things for them. These aren't investors or business professionals, they're kids being sold the chance of obtaining their lifelong dream. Some of their decisions are driven by emotion and not always by logic. None of us can make absolute statements about whether or not a guy will sign until we see how it plays out.

[metafour]

It literally happened with Reggie Pruitt, who signed for only 500K after this metafour kid said there was no chance he was signing. I can't speak for what people were saying last year because I wasn't on this forum during the last draft, but this guy already ate his words twice in 2015 when Pruitt signed and it turned out that it was just a straight play by the FO and wasn't because Maese suffered some sort of mysterious injury that suddenly cratered his signing bonus. Things change and guys who sometimes say they'll never sign end up signing for less than what anyone expected if you say or do the right things for them. These aren't investors or business professionals, they're kids being sold the chance of obtaining their lifelong dream. Some of their decisions are driven by emotion and not always by logic. None of us can make absolute statements about whether or not a guy will sign until we see how it plays out.

 

Pruitt was not a top talent dumbass, dont compare him to the players you are on here whining about not drafting. Wow, a player I thought would take ~$700-800K ended up signing for only $500K, CLEARLY ANY OF THESE GUYS CAN SIGN!! YOU ARE SO RIGHT! The discussion is about top talents who tell everyone not to even bother drafting them, not f***ing Reggie Pruitt who can't do anything but run fast. Reggie Pruitt was the 119th ranked HIGH SCHOOL player by Perfect Game. Not overall, HIGH SCHOOL. Yes, clearly Reggie Pruitt and Tanner Burns (unanimously ranked ~Top 50) are the exact same case.

 

You know how we got Pruitt signed? We gave a ~6th/7th round talent 3rd/4th round money.

[Spanky99]

Everyone's pissed!

[Jonn]

Everyone's pissed!

 

I'm not. It might not be the most exciting draft in terms ot upside. But we got some guys with an excellent chance to be major leaguers and that will move fast. Those are attractive pieces in the trade market if not developed to be Blue Jays.

[jays_fever]

Everyone's pissed!

 

I had no idea we had so many avid high school baseball fans who have been following these kids for years

[Grant77]

I'm not. It might not be the most exciting draft in terms ot upside. But we got some guys with an excellent chance to be major leaguers and that will move fast. Those are attractive pieces in the trade market if not developed to be Blue Jays.

 

I'm a little disappointed in the lack of high upside and projectable pitchers, but we nailed the first 2 picks so it looks ok for now. I was much happier coming out of last year's draft.

[TwistedLogic]

Pruitt was not a top talent dumbass, dont compare him to the players you are on here whining about not drafting. Wow, a player I thought would take ~$700-800K ended up signing for only $500K, CLEARLY ANY OF THESE GUYS CAN SIGN!! YOU ARE SO RIGHT! The discussion is about top talents who tell everyone not to even bother drafting them, not f***ing Reggie Pruitt who can't do anything but run fast. Reggie Pruitt was the 119th ranked HIGH SCHOOL player by Perfect Game. Not overall, HIGH SCHOOL. Yes, clearly Reggie Pruitt and Tanner Burns (unanimously ranked ~Top 50) are the exact same case.

 

You know how we got Pruitt signed? We gave a ~6th/7th round talent 3rd/4th round money.

 

You're quite emotional about this, aren't you? It seems I struck a chord... like Reggie Pruitt struck a deal with the Blue Jays after you said he wouldn't.

[Ray]

I like the first 4 picks. Healthy balance between safe picks that will more than likely crack the majors in some capacity (Warmoth, Danner), and higher upside but riskier picks (Pearson, Adams). Everything past that is gravy.

 

If Warmoth can become Zack Cozart (averaging ~2.0 WAR a season in his controllable years) I would be absolutely ecstatic.

[Key22]

Probably old news but Jim Callis says Jays had the fifth best overall draft in baseball. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/236553468/twins-used-no-1-pick-to-have-best-2017-draft/

[Ray]

Reds had a really good draft on paper: Hunter Greene, Jeter Downs, Stuart Fairchild, Jake Heatherly and Cash Case.

 

Seattle had a solid top 2: White and Carlson.

 

I'd say we had a pretty well balanced draft, but it's impossible to tell. None of these opinion matters at all at this point. Pro-ball is a different beast. Most of the kids will never pan out.