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See he pointed at him after calling time, did he not? He called it illegal pitch right away unless I'm missing something.

 

Exactly, and it's not like he awarded the base, he called it a ball and naturally it was ball four. After the explaination by Arash really there shouldn't be any confusion, good call by the ump

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To be fair, the batter didn't look like he was set when stroman began his windup so the umps called it right... poor execution tho

 

same thing happens all the time and that call never gets called. it's so rare that Buck, who was a catcher in the majors and around baseball since the dinosaurs disappeared and he didn't know about it.

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To be fair, the batter didn't look like he was set when stroman began his windup so the umps called it right... poor execution tho

http://i.imgur.com/R9aSb3X.png

 

Stroman started his delivery a fraction after this screengrab was taken. Calhoun put his bat back down when the pitch was in the air and the ump called time and an illegal pitch.

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Huh. I always wanted to know what a balk does when no one is on base. But aren't quick pitches always been legal?

 

I think people are confusing things here. The ump didn't call a balk bc of a traditional quick pitch (i.e. instead of coming to a set position the pitcher pitches the ball), the ump called a balk bc in his view Calhoun was not set in the batters box and Stroman pitched the ball.

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Exactly, and it's not like he awarded the base, he called it a ball and naturally it was ball four. After the explaination by Arash really there shouldn't be any confusion, good call by the ump

 

He was awarded ball 4 for the illegal pitch. He didn't call that ball 4.

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Exactly, and it's not like he awarded the base, he called it a ball and naturally it was ball four. After the explaination by Arash really there shouldn't be any confusion, good call by the ump

It's correct by the rulebook but stupid considering that this "rule" literally never gets enforced.

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same thing happens all the time and that call never gets called. it's so rare that Buck, who was a catcher in the majors and around baseball since the dinosaurs disappeared and he didn't know about it.

 

So because other umpires suck at their jobs, someone who follows a rule as it's stated it's now wrong? It shouldn't matter if his colleagues do it or not, a rules a rule

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http://i.imgur.com/R9aSb3X.png

 

Stroman started his delivery a fraction after this screengrab was taken. Calhoun put his bat back down when the pitch was in the air and the ump called time and an illegal pitch.

 

he's in the box and ready.

 

 

now the home plate ump doesn't even know he's supposed to call the ball foul that went out before first base. this guy needs to never get called up to the majors again.

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So because other umpires suck at their jobs, someone who follows a rule as it's stated it's now wrong? It shouldn't matter if his colleagues do it or not, a rules a rule

 

he's incompetent and trying to over achieve. he wants to get to the majors and is a clusterf*** because he wants it too much

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Here is the video. It was borderline "not set" at most.

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http://i.imgur.com/R9aSb3X.png

 

Stroman started his delivery a fraction after this screengrab was taken. Calhoun put his bat back down when the pitch was in the air and the ump called time and an illegal pitch.

 

That's much clearer, if truly the batter had the bat ready then it shouldn't be called. Nice pic, I'm just baffled how people are mad at an umpire for making a call that "no one makes". That logic is stupid

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he's in the box and ready.

 

 

now the home plate ump doesn't even know he's supposed to call the ball foul that went out before first base. this guy needs to never get called up to the majors again.

 

Sounds like a good ump to use for Blue Jays games.

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So because other umpires suck at their jobs, someone who follows a rule as it's stated it's now wrong? It shouldn't matter if his colleagues do it or not, a rules a rule

 

I'd hate to be one of your co-workers.

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If Calhoun hadn't put his bat down and walked away would the ump have called time, ruled it a ball?
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Here is the video. It was borderline "not set" at most.

 

I'll bet the other umps take him aside after the game and tell him it's ********, but they can't change a "judgement call" after it's made.

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he's incompetent and trying to over achieve. he wants to get to the majors and is a clusterf*** because he wants it too much

 

He's incompetent for enforcing a rule, which is borderline (as seen Fromm king's post)? That's new

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Here is the video. It was borderline "not set" at most.

 

 

The reason it caught him off guard is because Stro totally changed his wind up. He didn't step his back foot before pitching like his semi-full wind up, so maybe it can be seen as a quick pitch? It's definitely deceiving and was super quick, though I don't think that's illegal.

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Here is the video. It was borderline "not set" at most.

 

The umpire only calls time after Stroman has already let go of the ball

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That's much clearer, if truly the batter had the bat ready then it shouldn't be called. Nice pic, I'm just baffled how people are mad at an umpire for making a call that "no one makes". That logic is stupid

 

it's not made because pitchers wait until the hitter gets in the box. lots of pitchers quick pitch but it's legal once the guy sets in the box. just because the ump is hyper to be super good doesn't mean he can just get jumpy.

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The reason it caught him off guard is because Stro totally changed his wind up. He didn't step his back foot before pitching like his semi-full wind up, so maybe it can be seen as a quick pitch? It's definitely deceiving and was super quick, though I don't think that's illegal.

 

Is there any rule that says that your delivery has to be identical every time though? There shouldn't be anything wrong with making your delivery a bit quicker as long as there's no illegal move being performed or stopping in the middle of the windup.

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The reason it caught him off guard is because Stro totally changed his wind up. He didn't step his back foot before pitching like his semi-full wind up, so maybe it can be seen as a quick pitch? It's definitely deceiving and was super quick, though I don't think that's illegal.

 

exactly... over zealous ump seeing something he's probably never seen in the minors.

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I think people are confusing things here. The ump didn't call a balk bc of a traditional quick pitch (i.e. instead of coming to a set position the pitcher pitches the ball), the ump called a balk bc in his view Calhoun was not set in the batters box and Stroman pitched the ball.

 

Batter was set...worst call I have seen. The umpire got tricked into thinking he wasn't ready is the only reasonable suggestion...which still proves he has no business umpiring

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