Toronto Blue Jays Rebuilding Thread

[wk680]

Here you go:

 

IMO playoffs is virtually impossible this season now, but we'd still be in a wildcard race if either we'd not started so epically badly, or if Sanchez and Donaldson had been fit all year.

 

It's a huge long-shot (estimated by Fangraphs to have a 12 % chance of making post-season currently compared to 61 % for Yankees, 37 % for Rays and 51 % for Royals, so 2 of those 3 would need to tank along with a Jays strong push)

 

I think they mentioned during the last game that the Jays had a shockingly bad record of 8-17 in games with a left-handed starter for the opposition, which would now be 9-17 after yesterday. With the right-handed dominant lineup and Morales and Smoak both hitting well right-handed this year (142 and 212 wRC+, respectively), it's quite a head scratcher. Even if they were 13-13 in those games, it would put them in striking distance of a wild card spot right now.

 

The funny thing is the reality is Jays players playing well thus making their value go up>>>the value between a 5-10 pick and a 15-20 pick. Yet you hear people say its better if they lose.

 

Also, if the Jays finish the season well, combined with management saying they intend to field a competitive team in 2018, it will help with ticket sales in the offseason. I wonder if they will have the same early deadline for renewal of season tickets and flexpacks as last year.

Edited July 28, 2017 by wk680

[Brownie19]

The funny thing is the reality is Jays players playing well thus making their value go up>>>the value between a 5-10 pick and a 15-20 pick. Yet you hear people say its better if they lose.

 

Key trade targets playing well and the team winning are independent events.

[Brownie19]

Getting Soler would be a nice gamble to take, but getting him for Liriano seems like a huge reach. The Royals GM can't be that desperate for a rental who has no command.

 

I agree, but one factor to consider is Soler is owed $12M after this season ($4M per year until 2020). If you don't think he's going to contribute at the ML level, a team like the Royals would certainly like to rid themselves of that burden.

[wk680]

Price looks like he's in trouble this year with that elbow. Send them Happ for Chavis.

 

It's surprising since he had been pitching well of late. But they have such a left-handed heavy rotation (4 leftys!), that you would think they might rather replace him with a righty to balance things out a bit.

[glory]

[Ray]

If they can get someone to give a good package for 1.5 years of JA Happ, I'm all in on that. It'll hurt us for next season, but this front office is more than competent when it comes to pitching talent that I'm sure they can figure something out.

[glory]

If they can get someone to give a good package for 1.5 years of JA Happ, I'm all in on that. It'll hurt us for next season, but this front office is more than competent when it comes to pitching talent that I'm sure they can figure something out.

 

They probably won't trade Happ, but if they can get a SP who is near ready or ready and then some bit pieces, they can improve 2018 and the future in one deal.

[jaysblue]

If they can get someone to give a good package for 1.5 years of JA Happ, I'm all in on that. It'll hurt us for next season, but this front office is more than competent when it comes to pitching talent that I'm sure they can figure something out.

 

You can always bring back Estrada on a cheap one-year deal for next season as the No. 5 starter and hope he rebounds to his 2015/2016 form which is definitely still possible. Trading Happ isn't the end of the world for 2018. You can easily replace his innings via another trade or FA signing.

 

Some interesting SP's who are FA's this offseason:

 

Alex Cobb (30)

Tyler Chatwood (28)

Trevor Cahill (30)

Lance Lynn (31)

 

Also, possibility that Ian Kennedy could opt out. Tanaka possibly could opt out as well and Darvish is a free agent if the Jays want to spend some big money to bring a top starter in.

 

Cahill is the interesting name IMO. He's a different pitcher than his days with Oakland and Arizona. 89 ERA-, 80 FIP-, 78 xFIP- this season, pretty comparable to Sonny Gray. His O-swing% and Z-swing% as well have been excellent. It'll be interesting to see how he pitches now in the AL down the stretch. Might come cheaper in comparison to someone like Cobb or Lynn.

[GreekFatAss]

They probably won't trade Happ, but if they can get a SP who is near ready or ready and then some bit pieces, they can improve 2018 and the future in one deal.

 

Woodruff +

[glory]

Woodruff +

 

Yep, something like that. Either start Woodruff in the 2018 rotation or start him in AAA and use him as depth when someone gets hurt or sucks. He might not be as good as Happ in 2018, but more years of control and the saved money could go into other areas to make up the difference.

[Ray]

Calhoun+ from the Dodgers would be interesting. They probably want a righty however.

[GreekFatAss]

Yep, something like that. Either start Woodruff in the 2018 rotation or start him in AAA and use him as depth when someone gets hurt or sucks. He might not be as good as Happ in 2018, but more years of control and the saved money could go into other areas to make up the difference.

 

Yes sir, I like what Milwaukee has to offer us if we can line up for a deal.

[Angrioter]

 

Happ to Tros' for Fisher

[Jonn]

Here's hoping they salvage this trash deadline. We could have got a great haul if everyone didn't underperform. God that's annoying.

[Terminator]

You can always bring back Estrada on a cheap one-year deal for next season as the No. 5 starter and hope he rebounds to his 2015/2016 form

 

Not a bad idea. I think Happy makes 13 million next season. They could deal him and use 8 mil of that to bring back Estrada on a one year deal. The talent dropoff probably isnt huge and they get 5 more million plus whatever prospect they acquire.

[Abomination]

Here's hoping they salvage this trash deadline. We could have got a great haul if everyone didn't underperform. God that's annoying.

 

If everyone didn't underperform, we wouldn't be sellers.

[Abomination]

Happ to Tros' for Fisher

 

I suspect they'd prefer not to deal Fisher given he provides them current depth they might (and have) needed. Nabbing Kyle Tucker however, would be even better!

[jays4life19]

I suspect they'd prefer not to deal Fisher given he provides them current depth they might (and have) needed. Nabbing Kyle Tucker however, would be even better!

 

If we could get Tucker for Happ that would be incredible. I would say slim to 0 chance of that happening though.

[Dick_Pole]

If everyone didn't underperform, we wouldn't be sellers.

 

Glad to see someone is actually using their brain cells today.

[Dick_Pole]

Here's hoping they salvage this trash deadline. We could have got a great haul if everyone didn't underperform. God that's annoying.

 

Ryan Tepera has done pretty well this year. So has Joe Smith and Dominic Leone. Lots of opportunity to swing a trade for someone in need of a BP piece and not even have to move Osuna.

[Jonn]

If everyone didn't underperform, we wouldn't be sellers.

 

Well of course I just mean everyone imploded at once and left us nothing to sell. I think we all thought we would get a really good prospect for Estrada back in May. Everyone in position to be traded to sell either underperformed or got hurt.

[Daniel Labude]

Nearing the trade deadline and we haven't done anything either way...extremely frustrating

[Spanky99]

Or elating, as teams try to pillage.

[glory]

Unfortunately the Jays are probably going to hold on to everyone except Joe Smith until August (Estrada, Liriano, and Bautista). All three should be able to pass through waivers and be traded in a month when maybe their value is higher or other teams have needs come up. But if Smith isn't traded by tomorrow, then yes, that's a s***** trade deadline.

[flafson]

Nearing the trade deadline and we haven't done anything either way...extremely frustrating

 

I'm worried we won't be trading anyone, for some reason it feels like a buyers market.

[Dick_Pole]

Or elating, as teams try to pillage.

 

In a world where Lucroy nets a PTBNL, the Jays are better off as buyers than sellers anyways.

[Spanky99]

Unfortunately the Jays are probably going to hold on to everyone except Joe Smith until August (Estrada, Liriano, and Bautista). All three should be able to pass through waivers and be traded in a month when maybe their value is higher or other teams have needs come up. But if Smith isn't traded by tomorrow, then yes, that's a s***** trade deadline.

 

This s*** wrote itself. There isn't going to be any take aside for INTL money.

[Spanky99]

In a world where Lucroy nets a PTBNL, the Jays are better off as buyers than sellers anyways.

 

You and I have known this for some time.

[glory]

This s*** wrote itself. There isn't going to be any take aside for INTL money.

 

I'm starting to wonder if bringing both Estrada and Liriano back on cheap one year deals is possible. The Jays literally have nothing in the way of pitching prospects that are ready for 2018. I mean if you can't trade them then maybe bringing them back is a better use of them as assets (assuming the price is ok).

[Spanky99]

I'm starting to wonder if bringing both Estrada and Liriano back on cheap one year deals is possible. The Jays literally have nothing in the way of pitching prospects that are ready for 2018. I mean if you can't trade them then maybe bringing them back is a better use of them as assets (assuming the price is ok).

 

I agree, they love the Dot. Even if they're moved, talk to them.