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[KingKat]

He has an option left. Great guy to stash in the minors, horrible guy to put in an MLB bullpen if the team is trying to win.

 

Why didn't the Rockies stash him in the minors themselves then? Why didn't they stash him in the minors and try him as a starter this whole time? That team...

[Brownie19]

Miguel Castro was just DFA'd by the Rockies

 

There are some seriously questionable things happening in Colorado these days...

[bendera3]

Why didn't the Rockies stash him in the minors themselves then? Why didn't they stash him in the minors and try him as a starter this whole time? That team...

 

Maybe they think they could sneak him through and get him off their 40 man based on his struggles?

[Laika]

Why didn't the Rockies stash him in the minors themselves then? Why didn't they stash him in the minors and try him as a starter this whole time? That team...

 

They could have stashed him, in fact they did already assign him to the minors. This was outrighting him off the 40 to add Freeland.

 

The Rockies are very dumb. I don't understand why they even targeted Castro if they were just going to throw him into a Colorado bullpen. Why not at least take one season to try to develop him as a starter?

[z3r0s]

this is a hilarious group of names with the addition of Bum

 

Bumgarner allowed three runs and six hits while striking out 11 over seven innings Sunday against Arizona in his season debut. That paled in comparison to his performance at the plate, as he hit a pair of solo homers for his first career multi-homer game. Bumgarner has 16 career homers, three in 2016 and five the year before. He joined Barry Bonds (2002), Matt Williams (1994) and Willie Mays (1964) as the only Giants to homer twice on Opening Day in the past 50 years. He became the first Giants pitcher to go deep twice in one game since Jim Gott in 1985.

[glory]

I feel bad for Castro. Dude was rushed to the bigs for no reason and his development was killed because of it.

 

I'd take a chance on him and start him in the minors, but this is his last option year right?

[Dr. Dinger]

I feel bad for Castro. Dude was rushed to the bigs for no reason and his development was killed because of it.

 

I don't really buy that. If a player has talent -- or in Castro's case, a decent breaking ball -- then he'll succeed. Rushing a player may retard his development in some cases, but it's not going to mentally destroy a player who otherwise had the talent to succeed. Castro is a fastball-only guy with spotty command, that's his downfall.

[Krylian]

I don't really buy that. If a player has talent -- or in Castro's case, a decent breaking ball -- then he'll succeed. Rushing a player may retard his development in some cases, but it's not going to mentally destroy a player who otherwise had the talent to succeed. Castro is a fastball-only guy with spotty command, that's his downfall.

 

Agreed.

 

It's not like he was in the bigs for 3 years struggling, and killing his confidence. A couple of months and then back down. It's on him if he couldn't get past the brief struggles and use that as motivation to improve.

[glory]

I don't really buy that. If a player has talent -- or in Castro's case, a decent breaking ball -- then he'll succeed. Rushing a player may retard his development in some cases, but it's not going to mentally destroy a player who otherwise had the talent to succeed. Castro is a fastball-only guy with spotty command, that's his downfall.

 

Maybe, but I don't think calling him up to the bigs straight from A-ball at age 20 when he is/was only a fastball pitcher helped him at all. He needed to work on his command and secondary stuff in the minors. If you tried to recreate the Castro/Osuna call ups 100 times, I bet a great majority of them would end up like Castro.

[KingKat]

You can't assume that Castro would have turned out better handled differently but you certainly can't assume that he wouldn't have either not unless you want to flat out dismiss the concept of player development.

 

That being said, The Rockies are the ones who really erred here not the Jays. After his failed and rushed audition, there was no reason he couldn't have been put back on the development track he was on previously. I never understood why the Rockies plopped him in their MLB bullpen repeating a move that had just backfired on the Jays.

[HERPDERP]

the guy is too young to give up on

[burlingtonbandit]

There's a huge difference for a young player going to a great org. player development wise and a bad one. Rockies are one of the worst in that are and it would seem the Blue Jays are now one of the better ones.

 

Its not just always the player's fault on how good his career is. Proper coaching is hugeeeeee

[Dick_Pole]

I don't really buy that. If a player has talent -- or in Castro's case, a decent breaking ball -- then he'll succeed. Rushing a player may retard his development in some cases, but it's not going to mentally destroy a player who otherwise had the talent to succeed. Castro is a fastball-only guy with spotty command, that's his downfall.

 

Agreed. It's like people just hear something from a source that they think is smart and they repeat it ad nauseam with absolutely no thought into what they are saying. Castro wasn't ruined because of his 2 week stint in the MLB with the Jays in 2015. And if he was, that probably means he doesn't have the mental makeup of an MLB player anyways.

[Laika]

Baseball is probably the most difficult major pro sport to play, mentally. I think the potential mental impact from jumping a 20 year old international free agent from low A ball to the big leagues is being understated WRT Castro.

 

He spent most of 2014 in VANCOUVER. Not even Lansing! He had like, 170 total pro innings before making his MLB debut in 2015, and more than half of those literally came in Rookie ball. Before 2014, 73 out of his 90 pro innings actually occurred in the DOSL - in his home country!!!!

 

So irrespective of the "nuts and bolts" development (command, consistency, offspeed pitches, etc.) his mental development was also seriously truncated.

 

I'm not saying Miguel Castro was ruined by being rushed, but to downplay his being rushed is disingenuous. It's reasonable to think that if Miguel Castro had not been rushed, he would be set up for a much more effective and lucrative major league career at this point.

 

If the Rockies had decided to send him to A+ or AA in 2016 to work as a starter and develop his profile, who knows what would have happened. But they didn't, so Miguel Castro was shaken, like a baby, for the second time. It's hard to recover from abuse like that.

 

We can talk about things like this without talking in absolutes.

[glory]

Agreed. It's like people just hear something from a source that they think is smart and they repeat it ad nauseam with absolutely no thought into what they are saying. Castro wasn't ruined because of his 2 week stint in the MLB with the Jays in 2015. And if he was, that probably means he doesn't have the mental makeup of an MLB player anyways.

 

Castro is not a robot. Mental part of the game is important too, especially for someone as young and inexperienced as he was. Osuna is an exception, not a norm.

Edited April 3, 2017 by glory

[jaysfan2014]

The Padres Opening Day roster:

 

http://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-san-diego-padres

 

Over/under on 100 losses?

[Dr. Dinger]

Baseball is probably the most difficult major pro sport to play, mentally. I think the potential mental impact from jumping a 20 year old international free agent from low A ball to the big leagues is being understated WRT Castro.

 

He spent most of 2014 in VANCOUVER. Not even Lansing! He had like, 170 total pro innings before making his MLB debut in 2015, and more than half of those literally came in Rookie ball. Before 2014, 73 out of his 90 pro innings actually occurred in the DOSL - in his home country!!!!

 

So irrespective of the "nuts and bolts" development (command, consistency, offspeed pitches, etc.) his mental development was also seriously truncated.

 

I'm not saying Miguel Castro was ruined by being rushed, but to downplay his being rushed is disingenuous. It's reasonable to think that if Miguel Castro had not been rushed, he would be set up for a much more effective and lucrative major league career at this point.

 

If the Rockies had decided to send him to A+ or AA in 2016 to work as a starter and develop his profile, who knows what would have happened. But they didn't, so Miguel Castro was shaken, like a baby, for the second time. It's hard to recover from abuse like that.

 

We can talk about things like this without talking in absolutes.

 

The simple fact of the matter is that Castro was never particularly good at any level. He got by in the low minors by blowing it past s***** teenagers, and then he got exposed against good competition. This isn't an elite prospect who fell apart under pressure; he was just never really that great to begin with.

[Dr. Dinger]

Christ, Syndergaard goes 99, 98, 93 MPH slider for a 3 pitch K. Just nasty.

[Laika]

The simple fact of the matter is that Castro was never particularly good at any level. He got by in the low minors by blowing it past s***** teenagers, and then he got exposed against good competition. This isn't an elite prospect who fell apart under pressure; he was just never really that great to begin with.

 

This is an absurdly arrogant statement.

[BTS]

Christ, Syndergaard goes 99, 98, 93 MPH slider for a 3 pitch K. Just nasty.

 

He just abusded Inciarte lol

[Dr. Dinger]

New baseball pet peeve: when announcers say "overshift."

 

It's just a shift.

[Dr. Dinger]

This is an absurdly arrogant statement.

 

I don't think so... and I would know; I'm smart af.

[Laika]

I don't think so... and I would know; I'm smart af.

 

"the simple fact" is that you aren't actually smart, at all.

[Dr. Dinger]

"the simple fact" is that you aren't actually smart, at all.

 

That comma just broke your sentence.

[Laika]

"Losing Jose Fernandez is tragic but having to watch Edinson Volquez every five days is a tragedy in and of itself. I feel so bad for Marlins fans..."

When you write a post but intelligently hold off on clicking the button until the inning is over.

[Laika]

That comma just broke your sentence.

 

No, it's a stylistic pause that emphasizes the at all.

[HERPDERP]

He just abusded Inciarte lol

 

[RealAccountant]

Barker just said that Rowdy Tellez reminds him of himself, when he was called up.

[Dr. Dinger]

No, it's a stylistic pause that emphasizes the at all.

 

That's not what a comma is for.

[Sammy225]

Barker just said that Rowdy Tellez reminds him of himself, when he was called up.

 

Well thats a scary f***ing thought.