The Red Sox acquire Chris Sale

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Goodbye AL East for the next few years

 

Yeah, deja vu all over again from 2013!

[Ray]

Time to steal Adam Eaton.

 

Please.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah but it doesnt work like that though.

Mike Trout is the best player in the world but I wouldnt say he is worth 9x9x3= 243 mill over 3 seasons.

 

He would be on the Free Agent Market...

[z3r0s]

I must learn to see the world as you do. Come, give me your eyes.

 

Its a good add to be sure. They just lost 4 WAR from Papi retiring and gained 5(?) with Sale. Not saying this is good news, but those saying 'may as well pack it up now' seem like they are over-reacting to me.

[Terminator]

Time to steal Adam Eaton.

 

Yep let's get him.

[burlingtonbandit]

Well at least the Blue Jays should have one of the best lineups vs LHP in the majors.

 

Pearce

Donaldson

Tulo

Morales

Martin

Upton

 

Thats a lot of lefty mashers.

[G-Snarls]

Lol at al central

 

WhiteSox Twins Royals Tigers

 

Indians pretty much a lock too

 

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[Dr. Dinger]

Yeah but it doesnt work like that though.

Mike Trout is the best player in the world but I wouldnt say he is worth 9x9x3= 243 mill over 3 seasons.

 

He is tho. That's exactly how that works.

[glory]

Yep let's get him.

 

Eaton in RF, Fowler in LF, and go cheap on the pen. I'm down.

[HERPDERP]

Well at least the Blue Jays should have one of the best lineups vs LHP in the majors.

 

Pearce

Donaldson

Tulo

Morales

Martin

Upton

 

Thats a lot of lefty mashers.

 

even with Bautista and Edwin we couldn't do much against him.

[Frenchsoup]

Well at least the Blue Jays should have one of the best lineups vs LHP in the majors.

 

Pearce

Donaldson

Tulo

Morales

Martin

Upton

 

Thats a lot of lefty mashers.

 

Upton shouldn't even be on the team. So why are you putting him in any lineup?

[z3r0s]

I would advise against any team paying Trout $81M a year. I don't think you will compete while doing that.

[intentional wok]

Its a good add to be sure. They just lost 4 WAR from Papi retiring and gained 5(?) with Sale. Not saying this is good news, but those saying 'may as well pack it up now' seem like they are over-reacting to me.

 

Well I'm seeing it that the Sox are still unfinished and still already better than they were exiting last season. They still have two or three (3B, 1B/DH) impact bat positions to fill (maybe only one if Pablo bounces back at all).

[z3r0s]

Well I'm seeing it that the Sox are still unfinished and still already better than they were exiting last season. They still have two or three (3B, 1B/DH) impact bat positions to fill (maybe only one if Pablo bounces back at all).

 

Sure, they're better... I don't see how that means that the 'everyone else has no chance' narrative is correct.

[metafour]

He would be on the Free Agent Market...

 

The $/WAR model does not work perfectly in free agency because there are market restrictions and realities that take precedent. Trout may be "worth" $75 million a year, but that doesn't mean that anyone would pay him anywhere near that on the open market even if he magically became a free agent tomorrow. The max he'd get is something like ~$40 million a year. Its a fun thing to look at, but it doesn't work in actual real life.

[Krylian]

Sale and Price...not many have a better 1-2 punch than that

 

Plus the 2016 AL Cy Young winner at #3?

 

Yikes!

[ChrisS]

That's exactly how it works. That's what Trout is worth. He's good.

 

There is sort of a curve relating WAR to $$ they actually get at the higher end. Donaldson could put up another 7 win season but in 2019 noone is going to give him a 5 year deal worth 300 mill, same with Trout at 500 mill for 6 years...

[Brownie19]

There is sort of a curve relating WAR to $$ they actually get at the higher end. Donaldson could put up another 7 win season but in 2019 noone is going to give him a 5 year deal worth 300 mill, same with Trout at 500 mill for 6 years...

 

What he's worth and what he'll get paid are 2 different things.

[HERPDERP]

[Dr. Dinger]

I would advise against any team paying Trout $81M a year. I don't think you will compete while doing that.

 

1) You would probably never project anyone to put up 9 WAR, even Mike Trout.

2) You certainly wouldn't project that each year over the course of the contract, which is how you arrive at an AAV.

[Daniel Labude]

As a whole I think our pitching is still better than the Red Sox.

[guylaroche5]

This sucks pretty hard but at least Dumbrowski's war chest is getting smaller, pls get Fowler.

[ChrisS]

What he's worth and what he'll get paid are 2 different things.

The context of the original post was what the Boston Red Sox actually paid to get Chris Sale

[z3r0s]

1) You would probably never project anyone to put up 9 WAR, even Mike Trout.

2) You certainly wouldn't project that each year over the course of the contract, which is how you arrive at an AAV.

 

ok... I wouldn't suggest any team spend $63M a year on Mike Trout. I don't think you can win doing that...

The exact number is irrelevant.

 

*edit... maybe the Dodgers or some other super high payroll team MIGHT be able to win paying a single player 63M a year.

[Dr. Dinger]

ok... I wouldn't suggest any team spend $63M a year on Mike Trout. I don't think you can win doing that...

The exact number is irrelevant.

 

Yes, there is a practical limit based on payroll restrictions. We are discussing theoretical value though.

[Dr. Dinger]

The context of the original post was what the Boston Red Sox actually paid to get Chris Sale

 

Actually we don't really know what they paid to get Chris Sale. We know what they paid to get Moncada, but we don't know what he'll be worth.

[Dr. Dinger]

As a whole I think our pitching is still better than the Red Sox.

 

You're f***ing nuts.

[Brownie19]

The context of the original post was what the Boston Red Sox actually paid to get Chris Sale

 

Yep - I get that. $100M for 3 years....$33M a year. He's worth about $135M....so he's worth more than they paid to get him.....this is essentially proving my point Chris.

[BTS]

As a whole I think our pitching is still better than the Red Sox.

 

lmao

[ChrisS]

Yes, there is a practical limit based on payroll restrictions. We are discussing theoretical value though.

 

My mistake, I should have been more clear but we were discussing the actual cost paid by the Red Sox. I am aware of the theoretical value that someone like Mike Trout has under a $/WAR model.