Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 As a whole I think our pitching is still better than the Red Sox. http://i.imgur.com/AMHyupY.gif
z3r0s Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Yes, there is a practical limit based on payroll restrictions. We are discussing theoretical value though. If your theoretical value system gives you values that are not realistic, doesn't that indicate there is something wrong with the system? (and I say this as someone who uses the 9 WAR/win number because it seems to work in most cases). It would actually be really fascinating to see what Trout would get if he was an untethered FA right now. You'd have to think it would 40M?
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Yep - I get that. $100M for 3 years....$33M a year. He's worth about $135M....so he's worth more than they paid to get him.....this is essentially proving my point Chris. Ok the $100M figure is bunk, though. What the Red Sox paid for Moncada isn't the relevant figure, it's what Moncada is worth in projected WAR/$ over the next 6 years.
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 As a whole I think our pitching is still better than the Red Sox. Lol yeah Happ >>>> Sale
RealAccountant Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Ok the $100M figure is bunk, though. What the Red Sox paid for Moncada isn't the relevant figure, it's what Moncada is worth in projected WAR/$ over the next 6 years. Redsox paid for Moncada a few years back when money was worth more. Dont forget to account for the time value say 7 percent
Jonn Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 As a whole I think our pitching is still better than the Red Sox. Jesus f***ing Christ
Dr. Dinger Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Redsox paid for Moncada a few years back when money was worth more. Dont forget to account for the time value say 7 percent Yeah I wouldn't even attempt to calculate all that s***, mainly because any WAR projection for Moncada at this point would be a total shot in the dark.
King Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 As a whole I think our pitching is still better than the Red Sox. Delete your account
ChrisS Verified Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 If your theoretical value system gives you values that are not realistic, doesn't that indicate there is something wrong with the system? (and I say this as someone who uses the 9 WAR/win number because it seems to work in most cases). It would actually be really fascinating to see what Trout would get if he was an untethered FA right now. You'd have to think it would 40M? Trout is probably the GOAT, Id guess somewhere in the neighbourhood of 8/400 but I know s*** lol
HealthDream007 Verified Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 This really sucks! A 1 - 2 punch of Sale & Price with that offense, even if they'll likely be regression is downright scary.
ChrisS Verified Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Redsox paid for Moncada a few years back when money was worth more. Dont forget to account for the time value say 7 percent It might be offset by the increase 1 WAR is worth going forward..
ChrisS Verified Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 This really sucks! A 1 - 2 punch of Sale & Price with that offense, even if they'll likely be regression is downright scary. Our pitching staff has a higher probability to regress imo.
Daniel Labude Jays Centre Contributor Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Delete your account Their #4 and #5 starters are not good imo....and their bullpen is questionable. We are solid #1-5 with upside to be even better. Back end of our pen is great as well. We just need to full out the rest of our pen. Red Sox might see a slide in Price and Porcello so...yes overall I think we will be better.
intentional wok Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Our pitching staff has a higher probability to regress imo. You would say that, "ChrisS".
Governator Community Moderator Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Ok the $100M figure is bunk, though. What the Red Sox paid for Moncada isn't the relevant figure, it's what Moncada is worth in projected WAR/$ over the next 6 years. A player is really only worth what a team is willing to pay him so it's kind of a mute point. Regardless it was just a silly tweet that looked kind of foolish on the surface when you consider $33.33MM would be the highest paid player in the majors, or at the very least exactly in line with contracts like Kershaw/Price, etc.
Grant77 Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Looking forward to seeing Sandoval everyday at 3B.
Jonn Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 http://33.media.tumblr.com/bfe8c57ae0cf7b21ed0d8fcd4256a56f/tumblr_nr31rkDw5F1qj0qlso1_400.gif
TheHurl Site Manager Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Grant is probably very angry right now! Probably searching through Sale's garbage looking for evidence a rape cover-up. I always love seeing people handing championships out in December.
Laika Community Moderator Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Imagine if Sale's arm finally explodes this spring?
BTS Community Moderator Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Their #4 and #5 starters are not good imo....and their bullpen is questionable. We are solid #1-5 with upside to be even better. Back end of our pen is great as well. We just need to full out the rest of our pen. Red Sox might see a slide in Price and Porcello so...yes overall I think we will be better. Steven Wright and one of Pomeranz/Rodriguez are not an acceptable 4/5 combo to you? Back of the pen looks like Osuna/Grilli/Biagini vs. Kimbrel/Thornburg/Barnes. If anything, that's advantage Boston.
Grant77 Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Probably searching through Sale's garbage looking for evidence a rape cover-up. I always love seeing people handing championships out in December. I have nothing against Chris Sale. Last time Boston got this much hype, they came in last place, so we'll see what happens.
z3r0s Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Imagine if Sale's arm finally explodes this spring? as much as I would love to see the Sox get f***ed, I just love Sale. Can't wish for it.
King Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Chris Sale is a douche and pretty unlikeable. Good at this pitching thing though.
Jonn Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Imagine if Sale's arm finally explodes this spring? s***** for my fantasy team but I would probably be a little happy on the inside.
TheHurl Site Manager Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Fortunately, they still only have one ace in the playoffs. Sale's playoff history is second to none.
Sammy225 Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Imagine if Sale's arm finally explodes this spring? It should. Logic states it should the way he throws lol
FireAlexAnthopoulos Verified Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Price, Sale, Porcello and Wright are all headcases pitching in one of the most pressure-packed markets in baseball. Good luck with that, Red Sox.
jays4life19 Old-Timey Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Price, Sale, Porcello and Wright are all headcases pitching in one of the most pressure-packed markets in baseball. Good luck with that, Red Sox. Since when is David Price a headcase?
FireAlexAnthopoulos Verified Member Posted December 6, 2016 Posted December 6, 2016 Since when is David Price a headcase? Have you seen him in the playoffs?
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