Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Grant77]

Trade for Dyson

Trade for Blackmon without giving up Stroman

Sign Ianetta

Sign one of Feliz or Zieglar

Sign one of Logan or Blevins

 

Call it a day, IMO I would only want Edwin back and we nowill have a logjam athe 1B/DH.

 

My top trade and FA targets for each position:

 

RF - Trade for Curtis Granderson or sign Jose Bautista

 

LF - Trade for Seth Smith or sign Brandon Moss

 

C - Trade for Kevin Plawecki or sign Wellington Castillo

 

LH RP - Trade for Patrick Corbin or sign Jerry Blevins

 

RH RP - Trade for Brandon Maurer or sign Rubby De La Rosa

 

You're looking at between 25 and 35 million depending on the choices, but all short term.

[z3r0s]

My top trade and FA targets for each position:

 

RF - Trade for Curtis Granderson or sign Jose Bautista

 

LF - Trade for Seth Smith or sign Brandon Moss

 

C - Trade for Kevin Plawecki or sign Wellington Castillo

 

LH RP - Trade for Patrick Corbin or sign Jerry Blevins

 

RH RP - Trade for Brandon Maurer or sign Rubby De La Rosa

 

You're looking at between 25 and 35 million depending on the choices, but all short term.

 

I think Grandy suits us to a Tee, but only if the Mets see him as almost a salary dump. Doesn't seem like they do and I'm not sure it makes sense for us to give up much to get him.

[Grant77]

I think Grandy suits us to a Tee, but only if the Mets see him as almost a salary dump. Doesn't seem like they do and I'm not sure it makes sense for us to give up much to get him.

 

They wanted Brad Brach from the Orioles as a reference point. I'd be willing to give up a decent prospect or maybe Biagini if necessary. Perhaps even a 3 way deal with a team like the Padres could work if they insist on getting a reliever.

[Brownie19]

His swing now is a beaut. It's like Colby Rasmus' only he has much higher contact skills.

 

Would Happ for Blackmon be a fit? Colorado seems to think they are ready to make a push don't they? Sign Nova afterwards.

[Terminator]

Would Happ for Blackmon be a fit? Colorado seems to think they are ready to make a push don't they? Sign Nova afterwards.

 

Not sure. I get the impression that the Rockies think pretty highly of Blackmon but if they are shopping him maybe not.

[intentional wok]

What are the consequences of the Donaldson trade? The fact we have to pay him 17M or the fact we don't have Sean Nolin, Graveman, Lawrie, etc? I really don't get how that effects Shapiro and Atkins right now.

 

If your point is that GMs shouldn't trade prospects for expensive players, ok I see your point lol.

 

Although I think the Price and Tulo trades are bad examples as one was made to win a WS and one was made to get out of the Reyes deal and acquire a player with what seems like a 3 WAR floor.

 

A better example would be the Marlins trade.

 

That one too, but I was just treating it more recently. Like I said, I wouldn't necessarily take back any of the trades, just that it's worth thinking back on the method before firing shots at the current FO staff. You get JD, TT, and Price within one season, there's a good reason you can't land Cutch or Eaton two years later without having to slice up your MLB roster while hoping a rule 5er can morphs into a superhero.

[burlingtonbandit]

Those Tulo and Price trades look like pretty big wins. Norris and Boyd haven't done anything while they still have good potential neither look like more than number 4s at this point.

 

They saved $50 Million on Jose Reyes and Hoffman and Castro haven't exactly been great with their clubs. I'd say that trade was also a big win.

[Abomination]

Part of our problem is also 2018 when we're talking about high priced guys.

 

I kind of look at the following (keeping in mind what our needs will be in 2018 too):

 

Regarding Edwin: Tellez will probably be ready to take over 1B in 2018, so with Morales also in the fold Edwin's resources could likely be allocated elsewhere more effectively (doesn't mean I wouldn't love to have him though).

 

We really can't afford to give up Stroman in a trade (and imo would be stupid to anyway), especially given Estrada and Liriano's contracts expiring after the season. Our in-house options probably won't be ready until 2019, and replacing those innings is gonna be expensive as it is. Signing Ross or Nova for 2 or 3 years and trading Estrada could help a bit.

 

Bautista fills an obvious need, and Guerrero is probably at least 3 years away anyway. Spending some in the OF makes sense.

 

As for trade or FA targets:

 

RF - Trade for Granderson, or sign Baustista or Moss

LF - Trade for Dyson / Kendrick / Ethier or sign Moss or Coghlan

C - Trade for Rupp, or sign Navarro

LH RP - None, use in-house options.

RH RP - Trade for Joe jimenez or sign Greg Holland / Tolleson / Chacin.

 

I think my ideal choices (given financial constraints and trade costs) would be to sign Moss, trade for Dyson and Rupp, and sign all 3 relievers I listed. Moss is likely 10M, Dyson is 4?, Rupp is league min, Tolleson is probably 1M to 2M, Chacin maybe 4M?, Holland 8M? Chacin would also have the ability to go into the rotation if we had an injury.

[Abomination]

Those Tulo and Price trades look like pretty big wins. Norris and Boyd haven't done anything while they still have good potential neither look like more than number 4s at this point.

 

They saved $50 Million on Jose Reyes and Hoffman and Castro haven't exactly been great with their clubs. I'd say that trade was also a big win.

 

I don't think the Price trade is necessarily a big win, although it may have been why we made the playoffs. Norris looked pretty good when he returned last year, including increased velocity. The Tulo trade was awesome.

[RealAccountant]

AA was King.

[burlingtonbandit]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to trade for Granderson? He's old as s*** and you have to likely give something up in addition to paying his salary which would be half of the remaining budget.

[RealAccountant]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to trade for Granderson? He's old as s*** and you have to likely give something up in addition to paying his salary which would be half of the remaining budget.

 

I dont think the mets are in the market to move Granderson, the lug they want us to take is Bruce.

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't think the Price trade is necessarily a big win, although it may have been why we made the playoffs. Norris looked pretty good when he returned last year, including increased velocity. The Tulo trade was awesome.

 

Yeah Norris still has the potential to be a number 2 but it seems like his velocity and health are so inconsistent. I sometimes wonder how much better off he would be with a different org. that focus a lot of resources on player development. Seems the Tigers aren't doing much in that area.

 

Jays got 2.7 WAR out of Price in the regular season that year which is crazy to think about.

[Abomination]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to trade for Granderson? He's old as s*** and you have to likely give something up in addition to paying his salary which would be half of the remaining budget.

 

He seems to be almost back to the player he used to be, minus a little speed. He's probably vastly under-rated at this point.

[Abomination]

Yeah Norris still has the potential to be a number 2 but it seems like his velocity and health are so inconsistent. I sometimes wonder how much better off he would be with a different org. that focus a lot of resources on player development. Seems the Tigers aren't doing much in that area.

 

Jays got 2.7 WAR out of Price in the regular season that year which is crazy to think about.

 

Well, the health was a cancer issue wasn't it, and he waited until the offseason to deal with it or something? That'll take a toll physically and mentally. When he returned last year, he was very good.

[burlingtonbandit]

Well, the health was a cancer issue wasn't it, and he waited until the offseason to deal with it or something? That'll take a toll physically and mentally. When he returned last year, he was very good.

 

Thought he's had shouler and elbow issues?

[Brownie19]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to trade for Granderson? He's old as s*** and you have to likely give something up in addition to paying his salary which would be half of the remaining budget.

 

Correct me if I've wrong, but you support signing Jose don't you?

[Spanky99]

Correct me if I've wrong, but you support signing Jose don't you?

 

You're wrong...

[intentional wok]

Am I the only one who doesn't want to trade for Granderson? He's old as s*** and you have to likely give something up in addition to paying his salary which would be half of the remaining budget.

 

Could be a weird bias I have, but I always feel like Granderson is this close to being done. I'm always shocked for some reason that he's still relevant. I have no idea why I think this about him though.

[burlingtonbandit]

Correct me if I've wrong, but you support signing Jose don't you?

 

Yes. But he has been a much much better hitter in his career. Also won't cost a prospect.

[Ziggyy108]

We should be taking another 2 shots in the next 2 years. Otherwise Trade Happ, Estrada, Donaldson, Tulo, Martin, Liriano etc.

 

 

I don't want to ever see Donaldson traded, but just for the hypothetical ... What teams would make a play for him, and what could we even realistically get.

 

I could see maybe the Dodgers, Astros, Cardinals

[Grant77]

I don't want to ever see Donaldson traded, but just for the hypothetical ... What teams would make a play for him, and what could we even realistically get.

 

I could see maybe the Dodgers, Astros, Cardinals

 

Urias and Pederson would be a good starting point.

[Abomination]

I don't want to ever see Donaldson traded, but just for the hypothetical ... What teams would make a play for him, and what could we even realistically get.

 

I could see maybe the Dodgers, Astros, Cardinals

 

It's actually kind of an interesting thought. Turner could probably replace a good amount of the production (although certainly not all) if he was to be signed. You'd need at least 2 ultra high end MLB ready prospects or young players at positions of need, plus some others to even consider it I think. Urias + Pederson as the principles would certainly get my attention for example, if we're talking Dodgers. Not sure how many teams have the need, desire, and the prospect capital though.

 

Edited: Grant beat me to it lol.

[george09]

If we were to trade Donaldson to the Dodgers what would the return be?

 

 

Pederson, Urias, De Leon, Bellinger+. Because you are not getting JD without Pederson and Urias in the deal.

 

 

Or Pederson,Urias, Puig, De Leon

[Jonn]

If we were to trade Donaldson to the Dodgers what would the return be?

 

 

Pederson, Urias, De Leon, Bellinger+. Because you are not getting JD without Pederson and Urias in the deal.

 

 

Or Pederson,Urias, Puig, De Leon

 

If they resign Turner this becomes pretty moot. And I think they would prefer to overpay Turner than give that much up for Donaldson.

[george09]

If they resign Turner this becomes pretty moot. And I think they would prefer to overpay Turner than give that much up for Donaldson.

 

 

I know, just thinking if we trade him how big of a haul we could get for him.

[Brownie19]

Imagine that. Trade JD + for Urias, Pederson, Puig...then sign Turner.

[BTS]

I don't think LA would give up Urias and Pederson for JD.

[Laika]

Sorry.

 

These Dodgers hypotheticals are out to lunch.

Edited December 10, 2016 by Laika

[RealAccountant]

I don't think LA would give up Urias and Pederson for JD.

 

Only AA can get a deal like that down