Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Stangstag]

If the FO has fairly reliable reason to believe that McCutchen will bounce back to elite level next year, all of these calculations can be waived away by arguing that the 5 wins from McCutchen are wins 84-88 in the next two years, which makes them worth a lot more than 8M a piece.

 

Good point

[Mittens87]

Question : if we DFA'd SMOAK right now what takes place action Wise?

 

Also what would we be on the hook for total contract less 500,000 or just this year less 500,000 ?

 

What. Still have to pay his $4,000,000

[Daniel Labude]

White Sox listening to offers on Frazier....DH possibility?

[The Cats Ass]

I think Cutch will come back fine. He had something going on this year either injury or mental, or a little bit of both. He started the season off slowly like he usually does most years(.780 OPS in April), March/April has historically been his worst months over his whole career(.766OPS for his Career). So he was actually above average to begin the year. Then for whatever reason weather it be an injury he was playing though or he was pressing too much he forgot how to hit 6.5 BB% and 25.5 K%, with a .699 OPS for May/June/July, which have always been his best months during his career. The coach then gave him a mental break and benched him for the 1st week of August in which he saw no playing time at all. From then on until the end of the season he had a 13.9 BB%, 14.8 K%, .852 OPS, including a .886 OPS in September. I think we'll see close to the old Cutch we know and love again next year.

[burlingtonbandit]

If the FO has fairly reliable reason to believe that McCutchen will bounce back to elite level next year, all of these calculations can be waived away by arguing that the 5 wins from McCutchen are wins 84-88 in the next two years, which makes them worth a lot more than 8M a piece.

 

It wouldn't be 5 extra wins though as if Cutch wasn't here there would be a replacement. Say you could sign Reddick for the same 14 Million, well then its an upgrade of 2.5 Wins which changes the outlook. You'd still have to replace Travis's production and given he'd be making league minimum you just created another hole on the team.

 

Not to mention you are losing 3 big prospects...

[BTS]

It wouldn't be 5 extra wins though as if Cutch wasn't here there would be a replacement. Say you could sign Reddick for the same 14 Million, well then its an upgrade of 2.5 Wins which changes the outlook. You'd still have to replace Travis's production and given he'd be making league minimum you just created another hole on the team.

 

Not to mention you are losing 3 big prospects...

 

I think it's obvious to everyone that the numbers change depending on the other moving parts. My point was that a rigid analysis like the one done above, while useful, probably doesn't have much actual utility because we have no idea how the front office values wins at their projected place on the win curve.

[Ehjays]

I think Josh Reddick could be on our radar and one thing that could be appealing to him is the fact his old pal Donaldson is here.

It may be small but its still works in our favour.

[KingKat]

I think Josh Reddick could be on our radar and one thing that could be appealing to him is the fact his old pal Donaldson is here.

It may be small but its still works in our favour.

 

It can be a factor in the sense that Donaldson could help to assuage concerns that Reddick might have about playing in Canada. In that sense, it can help level the playing field for the Jays.

[G-Snarls]

[burlingtonbandit]

I think it's obvious to everyone that the numbers change depending on the other moving parts. My point was that a rigid analysis like the one done above, while useful, probably doesn't have much actual utility because we have no idea how the front office values wins at their projected place on the win curve.

 

Yeah I see what you are saying. Even if they value those wins higher (For the Blue Jays those wins would be worth more than any other club since Rogers owns SN) I could never see this FO making a trade like that. There are much more efficient ways of adding wins than trading those 4 players for 2 years of McCutchen. And given the Blue Jays made a similar deal with Tulo I'm not sure they will want to go down that road again.

[BTS]

Yeah I see what you are saying. Even if they value those wins higher (For the Blue Jays those wins would be worth more than any other club since Rogers owns SN) I could never see this FO making a trade like that. There are much more efficient ways of adding wins than trading those 4 players for 2 years of McCutchen. And given the Blue Jays made a similar deal with Tulo I'm not sure they will want to go down that road again.

 

I don't disagree. I wouldn't make that deal.

[RealAccountant]

Why can't we just sign Bautista to the type of deal Papi signed with the Redsox.

 

Bautista could sill be a hall of famer

[G-Snarls]

Why can't we just sign Bautista to the type of deal Papi signed with the Redsox.

 

Bautista could sill be a hall of famer

 

1. He'd almost certainly never agree to that even though I'd love it

 

2. No chance whatsoever

[Daniel Labude]

Edwin could sign soon according to his agent...is that a good sign?

[G-Snarls]

Edwin could sign soon according to his agent...is that a good sign?

 

I think so

[HERPDERP]

Edwin could sign soon according to his agent...is that a good sign?

 

Lets not forget about Houston..

[RealAccountant]

Some random on twitter is saying that he has agreed to a deal with the Mariners

[jays4life19]

Some random on twitter is saying that he has agreed to a deal with the Mariners

 

Well it's official then.

[Angrioter]

Edwin and Cano are great friends

[King]

Thad Levine spoke to Jon Morosi and said that the Twins would be open to moving relievers. Trevor May please

[BTS]

I just saw Ken Rosanthal post on twitter that Edwin signed a 5/145 contract with Toronto and almost died at my desk.

[G-Snarls]

I just saw Ken Rosanthal post on twitter that Edwin signed a 5/145 contract with Toronto and almost died at my desk.

 

I had to block that account

[agrushcow]

LHP

1. Dexter Fowler, RF

2. Devon Travis, 2B

3. Josh Donaldson, 3B

4. Kendrys Morales, DH

5. Troy Tulowitzki, SS

6. Steve Pearce, 1B

7. Russell Martin, C

8. Kevin Pillar, CF

9. Melvin Upton, LF

 

RHP

1. Dexter Fowler, RF

2. Devon Travis, 2B

3. Josh Donaldson, 3B

4. Kendrys Morales, DH

5. Troy Tulowitzki, SS

6. John Jaso, 1B

7. Russell Martin, C

8. Kevin Pillar, CF

9. Ezequiel Carrera, LF

 

If Fowler is a pipe dream, maybe Jon Jay and Josh Reddick? Maybe you could go Holliday at DH with that many lefties. Kind of like the balance of that lineup tho.

Edited November 10, 2016 by agrushcow

[HERPDERP]

I just saw Ken Rosanthal post on twitter that Edwin signed a 5/145 contract with Toronto and almost died at my desk.

 

how does it even pop into your feed? Just follow Rosenthal himself

[G-Snarls]

how does it even pop into your feed? Just follow Rosenthal himself

 

It popped up on mine because I follow Gerry Dee and he liked the tweet

 

f***ers

[Orgfiller]

Thad Levine spoke to Jon Morosi and said that the Twins would be open to moving relievers. Trevor May please

 

Can May be converted back? The Twins are so stupid.

[King]

Can May be converted back? The Twins are so stupid.

 

Maybe. He has bad back issues. I really don't think they are stupid anymore. Everything Falvey and Levine have said seems to have them pointed in the right direction.

[bowld]

Rotoworld with this....

 

 

Edwin Encarnacion's agent Paul Kinzer told Sportsnet 590 The Fan that his client has received an offer from the Blue Jays "but it's not where the camp wanted it to be."

SB Nation's Chris Cotillo is passing along notes from that interview on Canada's top sports radio station. Kinzer said Encarnacion's preference is to return to Toronto, but it's going to take a hefty sum given the landscape of this free agent market. EE is arguably the best bat available, having tallied 42 home runs and 127 RBI in 160 games this summer for the Jays. He boasts a .912 OPS (146 OPS+) over the last five years. Kinzer added that he expects a resolution before the Winter Meetings in December.

[flafson]

I'm happy we actually gave him an offer, that's definitely a step in the right direction.

Wonder what that offer was, probably 60-80M.

[Boxcar]

Can we just trade for Votto instead plz