Offseason Roster Thread 2016-17

[Sammy225]

What do you think the going Rate for an Ian Desmond is?

[Dr Negative]

I'm not sure about trading Happ. We've been incredibly fortunate with pitching injuries the last couple of years. There's always a good chance that someone blows out there arm in spring training so we need that depth. There also aren't that many dumb GMs around anymore who buy high on that kind of player. You'd get innings eater value for him, not meaningless stat value (20 game winner).

 

I don't really understand why everybody likes Josh Reddick as well. He's not a particularly good hitter, nor is he a particularly good fielder. I know he doesn't cost a draft pick and that he's better than Michael Saunders but I think he's going to be overvalued in the market because of his relatively young age, sort of like Heyward was.

[Governator]

I'm not sure about trading Happ. We've been incredibly fortunate with pitching injuries the last couple of years. There's always a good chance that someone blows out there arm in spring training so we need that depth. There also aren't that many dumb GMs around anymore who buy high on that kind of player. You'd get innings eater value for him, not meaningless stat value (20 game winner).

 

I don't really understand why everybody likes Josh Reddick as well. He's not a particularly good hitter, nor is he a particularly good fielder. I know he doesn't cost a draft pick and that he's better than Michael Saunders but I think he's going to be overvalued in the market because of his relatively young age, sort of like Heyward was.

 

 

At worst he'd be an excellent platoon bat with Upton. He's a better LH bat than Saunders and doesn't K much. He'd probably rake in the AL East as well.

[RealAccountant]

Saunders hopes to be back

[Olerud363]

At worst he'd be an excellent platoon bat with Upton. He's a better LH bat than Saunders and doesn't K much. He'd probably rake in the AL East as well.

 

His age and career numbers are very close to Colby Rasmus... Colby was bad last year... Colby is a weird dude from what I have heard.

 

So Reddick=Colby-bad year 2016-weird attitude

[BTS]

Biggest problem with Reddick is that I see Gibby playing him every day.

[Governator]

His age and career numbers are very close to Colby Rasmus... Colby was bad last year... Colby is a weird dude from what I have heard.

 

So Reddick=Colby-bad year 2016-weird attitude

 

 

Reddick still raked against righties though while Colby just sucked. Also Colby strikes out so much he makes Justin Smoak look pretty good.

[Dr Negative]

Rasmus' main problem is that he has the IQ of a potato.

[jays4life19]

So...Jose Abreu probably opts out, right? That's another bat in the FA market.

[Jonn]

What do you think the going Rate for an Ian Desmond is?

 

He will will be in the 19-22M range for 4-5 years

[Jonn]

Rasmus' main problem is that he has the IQ of a potato.

 

No his main issue is not making contact.

[ILikeSoccerandBaseball09]

Bunch of people were talking about trading Stroman on reddit. What do you guys think?

 

 

 

 

For relievers id love to sign Blanton, Blevins or Ziegler. Re sign Benoit?

 

Grilli

Benoit

Osuna

Cecil

Blanton/Ziegler?

[jays4life19]

Bunch of people were talking about trading Stroman on reddit. What do you guys think?

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I think you should stop reading about the Jays on Reddit.

[Terminator]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-blue-jays-should-rebuild/

 

Thanks. He makes some pretty good points. Trading Martin (old and bad contract) and Estrada (old and one year left) wouldn't be a bad idea. Happ and Tulo could be shopped as well. This team is old and there isn't a ton in the pipeline. We definitely need to try and get younger. Just throwing this out there but dealing old guys like Martin and Estrada and then signing younger replacements who may not be as good but are cheaper or will have similar AAV (a good pitch framer like Jason Castro and perhaps Ivan Nova) might make some sense.

 

I'm not really sure locking up Donaldson to a big fat contract while they punt and rebuild on his final two prime years is very smart though. I'd prefer they just retool.

[Abomination]

I don't really understand why everybody likes Josh Reddick as well. He's not a particularly good hitter, nor is he a particularly good fielder. I know he doesn't cost a draft pick and that he's better than Michael Saunders but I think he's going to be overvalued in the market because of his relatively young age, sort of like Heyward was.

 

Heyward wasn't really overvalued in the market imo, but rather so much of his value comes from his legs that he's a risky longer term deal. Reddick's value comes from his bat, which will probably hold its value rather well.

[WONDERBAT]

So...Jose Abreu probably opts out, right? That's another bat in the FA market.

 

I love for them to make a run at Abreu, give him 5-6 year deal at $25 mil per. Not going to happen but wishful thinking.

[BTS]

So...Jose Abreu probably opts out, right? That's another bat in the FA market.

 

I'm pretty sure he can opt into arbitration, not into free agency.

[Pendleton]

I'm pretty sure he can opt into arbitration, not into free agency.

 

Correct

[Terminator]

Man just looking at the FA list again and it's actually got a lot of options where we have needs (corner OF, DH, RP) but it's dog s*** where we have strengths (3B, SS, 2B, SP).

[ChrisS]

I hope Osuna is staying. Cost controlled and young effective closer who is a fan favorite. Elite relief pitchers are going to command big money in the coming years and I could see him signing a long term deal for club friendly $/year because it guarantees him and his family are set for life.

[jays4life19]

I'm pretty sure he can opt into arbitration, not into free agency.

 

Ah, got it.

 

I love for them to make a run at Abreu, give him 5-6 year deal at $25 mil per. Not going to happen but wishful thinking.

 

Gross.

[Brownie19]

Heyward wasn't really overvalued in the market imo, but rather so much of his value comes from his legs that he's a risky longer term deal. Reddick's value comes from his bat, which will probably hold its value rather well.

 

Reddick had a lot of value in his legs too between 2012 and 2015. It dropped right off this year (injuries / age). I'd be careful not to overvalue this guy who's essentially a solid platoon bat.

[jaysblue]

At worst he'd be an excellent platoon bat with Upton. He's a better LH bat than Saunders and doesn't K much. He'd probably rake in the AL East as well.

 

I've seen numbers like $70 + million thrown around when mentioning Reddick on this board. Pretty expensive for a platoon bat.

[Stangstag]

Bunch of people were talking about trading Stroman on reddit. What do you guys think?

 

 

 

 

For relievers id love to sign Blanton, Blevins or Ziegler. Re sign Benoit?

 

Grilli

Benoit

Osuna

Cecil

Blanton/Ziegler?

 

No. This is literally the worst time to trade Stroman. His value is at an all-time low. He's a great starter and still has potential. Sanchez-Stroman should be a solid 1-2 punch for the next few years.

[Brownie19]

I love for them to make a run at Abreu, give him 5-6 year deal at $25 mil per. Not going to happen but wishful thinking.

 

Yikes. His wRC+ has dropped from 167 to 129 to 118 over his 3 years in the league. He needed a massive second half to avoid being a league average bat this past season. Like Cespedes, Puig and Solar...he came in hot and fizzled out as pitchers adjusted. Cespedes has re-adjusted to the league and is back to being elite....maybe that's what Abreu did in the 2nd half of this year....maybe not.

 

Very risky at that price - but a moot point as he's not a FA anyway.

[jaysblue]

Adam Eaton would be a great fit, though no chance in hell the White Sox trade him.

[BTS]

Man just looking at the FA list again and it's actually got a lot of options where we have needs (corner OF, DH, RP) but it's dog s*** where we have strengths (3B, SS, 2B, SP).

 

That's why I don't understand the talk of trading a SP. The team has to fill 3 spots, but we're talking two corner outfield positions and 1B. The market actually has a lot of guys likely to be available on 1-3 year deals, and has somewhere in the range of $30-50M to spend.

 

There are at least 20 names out there that would help the team, and signing 2-3 of them shouldn't be impossible. There's no excuse to not land some free agents on small deals.

[43211234]

Biggest problem with Reddick is that I see Gibby playing him every day.

 

Nah, Gibby would platoon him with Upton.

 

 

 

Does Cecil take 2 years and $14M?

 

I'd love to see an Eric Thames experiment also.

[RealAccountant]

Adam Eaton would be a great fit, though no chance in hell the White Sox trade him.

 

I don't know man white Sox are pretty stupid

[Bobthe4th]

That's why I don't understand the talk of trading a SP. The team has to fill 3 spots, but we're talking two corner outfield positions and 1B. The market actually has a lot of guys likely to be available on 1-3 year deals, and has somewhere in the range of $30-50M to spend.

 

There are at least 20 names out there that would help the team, and signing 2-3 of them shouldn't be impossible. There's no excuse to not land some free agents on small deals.

 

It's pretty simple, if we can't fill our needs with free agents we'll have to trade for them and starting pitching is where we are strongest and therefore it's the obvious place to trade from.

 

3 spots to fill is an understatement - at least 2 relievers, 1 OF, DH, 1B, backup catcher. You're right, perfect world we get all that from the free agency, but what if we don't?