Jays vs. Indians ALCS Discussion

[Mittens87]

This series is completely unfair anyway. Benoit and Travis hurt and Sanchez can only pitch a game a series. Indians should have to take Miller and Santana out to make it even.

[Dr. Dinger]

This series is completely unfair anyway. Benoit and Travis hurt and Sanchez can only pitch a game a series. Indians should have to take Miller and Santana out to make it even.

 

Yeah, or at least make the Indians play the series without Carrasco, Salazar, and Brantley.

[glory]

Fans forget Jose Bautista is one of the greatest players in Blue Jays history. Says a couple comments and people can't wait to run him out of town.

 

Holy f*** relax.

 

He's not been very good this season, including the playoffs (where he's been s***). You can live with his douchiness when he's a star, but when he's a DH parading as an outfielder that can't hit as well as he's used to, then it becomes more obnoxious than anything. The guy walked into spring training and created a distraction for no reason with his 5/150 BS, then proceeds to have his worst season since becoming a star, then gets punched in the face to become a walking meme for the rest of his life, and that still doesn't humble him enough. Now he has to blame umpires and talk s*** about a rookie that could easily shut the Jays out today with the way the bats have been swinging. It's just really annoying. You expect fans to be excited about him saying stuff like that? Any other player on another team, and we'd be calling him what he is.

 

The Bautista we see today and in the future will not be the same Bautista that we saw from 2010-15. It won't happen. Maybe in his mind he is still that player, and maybe he does have a bounce back year in him, but more likely we are seeing the beginning stages of his decline. His s*** won't fly if he's not the same guy.

[Angrioter]

Yeah, or at least make the Indians play the series without Carrasco, Salazar, and Brantley.

 

Kluber isnt 100% and Yan Gomes doesnt know how to play béisbol

[burlingtonbandit]

He's not been very good this season, including the playoffs (where he's been s***). You can live with his douchiness when he's a star, but when he's a DH parading as an outfielder that can't hit as well as he's used to, then it becomes more obnoxious than anything. The guy walked into spring training and created a distraction for no reason with his 5/150 BS, then proceeds to have his worst season since becoming a star, then gets punched in the face to become a walking meme for the rest of his life, and that still doesn't humble him enough. Now he has to blame umpires and talk s*** about a rookie that could easily shut the Jays out today with the way the bats have been swinging. It's just really annoying. You expect fans to be excited about him saying stuff like that? Any other player on another team, and we'd be calling him what he is.

 

The Bautista we see today and in the future will not be the same Bautista that we saw from 2010-15. It won't happen. Maybe in his mind he is still that player, and maybe he does have a bounce back year in him, but more likely we are seeing the beginning stages of his decline. His s*** won't fly if he's not the same guy.

 

f*** you haven't been paying attention have you. First of all if he doesn't hit that HR in the WildCard game pretty damn good chance they don't even get to the ALDS...

 

And if you can remember the media asked him in Spring Training about his contract situation and what he is looking for, and he gave an answer. Its not like he texted every f***ing media member to come over to him because he has an announcement. His bitching of umpires is annoying but tons of f***ing players do it including JD, EE and even Tulo.

 

Obviously he's in decline, no one is denying that but lets treat the guy with some f***ing respect for all he's done for the franchise.

[RealAccountant]

Fans forget Jose Bautista is one of the greatest players in Blue Jays history. Says a couple comments and people can't wait to run him out of town.

 

Holy f*** relax.

 

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[Governator]

... Bautista was asked a question about Merritt and how the Jays will prepare for a guy who has 1 MLB start. When you ask that type of question you are insinuating the Jays should be concerned about facing a minor league pitcher. He answered the question by saying we'll watch video and see how his ball moves. He then even added "it could go either way". So who gives a s*** if he said he'll "probably be shaking in his boots more than we will". He answered the stupid question. Everyone takes things out of context from a video title as if that's all he said. Yes it's a stupid saying and maybe he could have just used the word nervous instead to get his point across, but it's not like that was his only answer to the question. Edited October 19, 2016 by Governator

[RealAccountant]

It kills me that it's 3-1 instead of 2-2 right now.

 

We'd soooo have the upper hand from here on out of the series was tied

 

To me that is the kind of error that may have cost us this series.

 

Mind you, if he does pull Stroman maybe the Indians score anyways....Maybe but they haven't exactly hit our bullpen either. Its a different universe, If we win today and win convincingly but lose in Cleveland. This is the game that we will look back on, because it was the mistake that possibly cost us a World Series Appearance.

[intrigid]

If Bautista was engaging in cocky trash talking with the jays down 3-1, that would absolutely be unacceptable and fully justify running him out of town. But after putting the comment in the proper context, it appears that's not what happened.

[pickoff22]

If Bautista was engaging in cocky trash talking with the jays down 3-1, that would absolutely be unacceptable and fully justify running him out of town. But after putting the comment in the proper context, it appears that's not what happened.

 

Exactly. People need to relax. Bats rubs me the wrong way at times and his act is a bit tired, but it's to the point where people overreact just for the sake of bashing him. Those comments aren't a big deal. Yet people think it's cool that Trevor Bauer spends a bunch of free time egging on/poking fun at opposing teams fans on twitter.

[G-Snarls]

Arturo J. Marcano

Edwin Encarnación told Roberto Osuna to use the little hesitation style once in a while to disrupt the hitters rhythm..

 

Edwin LIFETIME Blue Jay and pitching coach lol

[TRM]

Why does he have to f***ing do this? He's done f*** all this playoffs, you'd think some humble pie would be on the menu.

 

I can't think of a guy fewer fans would want their team to sign this off season. Guy's a running joke in RF and he's not even an elite bat anymore, so what's the appeal?

 

Comments were taken way out of context. I think you're overreacting Boxcar

[G-Snarls]

This series is completely unfair anyway. Benoit and Travis hurt and Sanchez can only pitch a game a series. Indians should have to take Miller and Santana out to make it even.

 

Um, Cleveland is missing their #2 and #3 starting pitchers

[candymartinez]

Cleveland's OBP is .224

 

Can't believe they are up 3-1

[RealAccountant]

Cleveland's OBP is .224

 

Can't believe they are up 3-1

 

They are good at timely hitting

 

Just like the Royals

[Manny Lees Barber]

People ("morans") mad at Jose will never not be funny.

[Sammy225]

People ("morans") mad at Jose will never not be funny.

 

What is this and why is it quoted?

[Jonn]

Did I read correctly that Melvin is DHing?

[Manny Lees Barber]

[Terminator]

Did I read correctly that Melvin is DHing?

 

Yes. Sounds like Gibby is going to use the DH spot as a revolving door for pinch hitters throughout the game.

[glory]

f*** you haven't been paying attention have you. First of all if he doesn't hit that HR in the WildCard game pretty damn good chance they don't even get to the ALDS...

 

And if you can remember the media asked him in Spring Training about his contract situation and what he is looking for, and he gave an answer. Its not like he texted every f***ing media member to come over to him because he has an announcement. His bitching of umpires is annoying but tons of f***ing players do it including JD, EE and even Tulo.

 

Obviously he's in decline, no one is denying that but lets treat the guy with some f***ing respect for all he's done for the franchise.

 

I'm talking about his entire post season numbers. They are garbage this year. If he was hitting like he was last year, then he'd still be a douche, but one we could live with. When he's a douche coming off a regular season where he had a lower WAR than Darwin Barney and s***** post season numbers on top of that, then yeah, his s*** is not going to fly as much.

 

Did you even see his spring training tirade about his contract? Edwin was asked the same f***ing questions and he answered it about as classy as one could. Edwin said he wanted to stay but won't discuss during the season. Guess what? The media quit asking him about it after that. What a f***ing mind blowing concept! I guess you don't have to be an ******* and egomaniac when asked that question. Bautista did not get that memo apparently.

 

As far as showing him respect for what he has done, what the hell does that mean? By saying he's acting like a douche (which he is) is not belittling any of his accomplishments. Come on.

[fatcowxlive]

What is this and why is it quoted?

 

it looks like how I would spell morons

[G-Snarls]

[KingKat]

Seems like the next logical step in that Cameron article would have been to overlay the bullpen usage graphs with postseason wOBA. Both lines trend the same way but they are both very spikey. Do the spikes line up?

[RealAccountant]

I think it would be cool if starters pitched like they used to, it was real fun even in the 90s and early 2000s. Pitching was an art.

 

There is no way you can enforce anything though

 

But the shifts I never like. They should allow a range and fielders shouldn't go beyond that range.

 

In cricket for example you can only have a certain amount of fielders in and out of the circle.

[Captain Adama]

Seems like the next logical step in that Cameron article would have been to overlay the bullpen usage graphs with postseason wOBA. Both lines trend the same way but they are both very spikey. Do the spikes line up?

 

Yeah its funny that he makes the point that the bullpen is what's killing the hitting environment in the playoffs. Shows a historical graph and then shows nothing regarding the differences in the bullpen usage historically aside from one anecdote.

[Governator]

I think it would be cool if starters pitched like they used to, it was real fun even in the 90s and early 2000s. Pitching was an art.

 

There is no way you can enforce anything though

 

But the shifts I never like. They should allow a range and fielders shouldn't go beyond that range.

 

In cricket for example you can only have a certain amount of fielders in and out of the circle.

 

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[eastcoastjaysfan]

Do you guys actually think Bautista is done? Second highest walk rate of his career.. Highest % of hard hit balls in his career. He didn't crush fastballs this year like he normally does (and that can be attributed to age and injuries) but there is no reason to think he doesn't have at least 2-3 good years left. He's a student of the game. There is no doubt that he'll find a way to adapt to his declining bat speed. He's completely transformed himself once before. I think this is a perfect situation for him and the Jays to meet in the middle and come to a reasonable deal.

[Terminator]

Do you guys actually think Bautista is done? Second highest walk rate of his career.. Highest % of hard hit balls in his career. He didn't crush fastballs this year like he normally does (and that can be attributed to age and injuries) but there is no reason to think he doesn't have at least 2-3 good years left. He's a student of the game. There is no doubt that he'll find a way to adapt to his declining bat speed. He's completely transformed himself once before. I think this is a perfect situation for him and the Jays to meet in the middle and come to a reasonable deal.

 

I'd be all for bringing him back. Market rate is something like 2 years, 36 million though. Not sure if he'd be willing to do that.

[KingKat]

Do you guys actually think Bautista is done? Second highest walk rate of his career.. Highest % of hard hit balls in his career. He didn't crush fastballs this year like he normally does (and that can be attributed to age and injuries) but there is no reason to think he doesn't have at least 2-3 good years left. He's a student of the game. There is no doubt that he'll find a way to adapt to his declining bat speed. He's completely transformed himself once before. I think this is a perfect situation for him and the Jays to meet in the middle and come to a reasonable deal.

 

Bautista clearly still has skills but I don't think you can just assume that the age and injuries that affected him this year will just go away. There's risk there but there's a price at which that risk would make sense providing that he understands that he's no longer an outfielder.