Jose Fernandez killed in boating accident

[fatcowxlive]

they made a mistake and paid for it with their lives - what more do you want? stupid, yes. tragic, yes. avoidable, sadly yes. doesn't make the guy a scumbag though.

 

No. It was reckless and he could have taken OTHER peoples lives. I hate people who drive under the influence of anything. I'm just thankful that they didn't kill anyone else. IF everyone was drunk on the boat (the report is smell of alcohol was found, they were at the bar, and a receipt of alcohol was found in one of their pockets..), scumbag is a fair word for putting other people at risk driving recklessly and under influence in a huge hunk of metal because he felt emotional.

[Krylian]

No. It was reckless and he could have taken OTHER peoples lives. I hate people who drive under the influence of anything. I'm just thankful that they didn't kill anyone else. IF everyone was drunk on the boat (the report is smell of alcohol was found, they were at the bar, and a receipt of alcohol was found in one of their pockets..), scumbag is a fair word for putting other people at risk driving recklessly and under influence in a huge hunk of metal because he felt emotional.

 

Have to agree here. Driving under the influence is a scumbag move. If you want to kill yourself, that's your business... But doing something that knowingly endangers others is boneheaded beyond boneheaded.

 

They're dead... And that's terrible... But I'm not going to forgive the risk he took with other people's lives just because he paid the price with his own (and two others).

[Grant77]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but has it been confirmed that Fernandez was driving? If not, you guys need to cool it with the scumbag talk.

[King]

Stop being an *******, we don't know who was driving and if the driver was drinking. Of course some of them were drinking, they were known to be at a bar. That doesn't mean we know the boat driver was drinking or that Jose was driving. For all we know they were being responsible and had the sober guy DDing the boat.

You're replying to Kilace.

[BTS]

I get a kick out of the black and white internet mentality in which people are defined by their worst mistakes. Actually I don't, it's really sad.

[jays4life19]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but has it been confirmed that Fernandez was driving? If not, you guys need to cool it with the scumbag talk.

 

Agreed. Fernandez is no Dustin Pedroia that's for sure.

[fatcowxlive]

Maybe I'm missing something here, but has it been confirmed that Fernandez was driving? If not, you guys need to cool it with the scumbag talk.

 

Being down with it is almost as bad as doing it. There are 3 men on Jose's boat and none of them stopped this from happening. Whether he's driving the boat or not it's, on him. It's on the other 2 as well. 2 of the 3 men should have stopped this from happening. They paid the price, but their actions were wreckless enough to cost them more than that, thankfully they didn't hit another boat

[BTS]

Being down with it is almost as bad as doing it. There are 3 men on Jose's boat and none of them stopped this from happening. Whether he's driving the boat or not it's, on him. It's on the other 2 as well. 2 of the 3 men should have stopped this from happening. They paid the price, but their actions were wreckless enough to cost them more than that, thankfully they didn't hit another boat

 

With all due respect, aren't you an 18-19 year old who has spent his entire life under the watchful eye of parents who are at least middle class? I ask because you often come off as really judgemental on topics like this, maybe overlooking the idea that not everyone has the same experience as you.

[Brownie19]

I get a kick out of the black and white internet mentality in which people are defined by their worst mistakes. Actually I don't, it's really sad.

 

Don't ever read stories about things that happen to children...There are people who truly believe a parent should NEVER take their eyes off their children and/or let them out of the bubble wrap. If they do - they are the devil. It's pretty sickening.

[BTS]

Don't ever read stories about things that happen to children...There are people who truly believe a parent should NEVER take their eyes off their children and/or let them out of the bubble wrap. If they do - they are the devil. It's pretty sickening.

 

Ha, weren't there a bunch of people outraged about the mother in the whole Harambe incident?

[Brownie19]

Ha, weren't there a bunch of people outraged about the mother in the whole Harambe incident?

 

Absolutely. There were many suggesting the parents should die - not the gorilla.

[KingKat]

And then once it came out that the mother was black, people got a whole lot less comfortable piling on her.

[Grant77]

Being down with it is almost as bad as doing it. There are 3 men on Jose's boat and none of them stopped this from happening. Whether he's driving the boat or not it's, on him. It's on the other 2 as well. 2 of the 3 men should have stopped this from happening. They paid the price, but their actions were wreckless enough to cost them more than that, thankfully they didn't hit another boat

 

I think you're making a lot of assumptions about what happened and shouldn't be so quick to cast judgment.

[fatcowxlive]

With all due respect, aren't you an 18-19 year old who has spent his entire life under the watchful eye of parents who are at least middle class? I ask because you often come off as really judgemental on topics like this, maybe overlooking the idea that not everyone has the same experience as you.

 

What experience is he missing? Knowing that preforming a DUI is putting the public in danger? This is educated in school, when you get your drivers licence and is showcased on ads everywhere. If he came to the country recently from a place where that education wasn't provided, I'd see what you're talking about. He's been in America and its school system since 2007.

 

I'm not giving someone a pass because they're ignorant, and this moment isn't telling of who he was. The world isn't black or white. He's a great guy it seems with a great passion for the community and is loved by everyone, but everyone makes mistakes and this mistake was a HUGE one in terms of possible effects it should have had on the public. I'm not saying JF is a scumbag, i'm saying what he did was selfish and scumbag-esque. This is a tragic moment, but people need to realize that this mistake he paid for and OTHERS could have paid for it as well. People need to keep being educated that drinking and driving isn't a joke.

 

I think you're making a lot of assumptions about what happened and shouldn't be so quick to cast judgment.

 

I guess you're right, I'll reserve my complete judgement until the autopsy is complete. But there aren't much other conclusions when what we know so far is:

 

- He got into an argument with his girl and left to the bar

- They smelled like alcohol and receipts of alcohol were found in pockets of the guys on the boat

- It was his boat

[BTS]

What experience is he missing? Knowing that preforming a DUI is putting the public in danger? This is educated in school, when you get your drivers licence and is showcased on ads everywhere. If he came to the country recently from a place where that education wasn't provided, I'd see what you're talking about. He's been in America and its school system since 2007.

 

I'm not giving someone a pass because they're ignorant, and this moment isn't telling of who he was. The world isn't black or white. He's a great guy it seems with a great passion for the community and is loved by everyone, but everyone makes mistakes and this mistake was a HUGE one in terms of possible effects it should have had on the public. I'm not saying JF is a scumbag, i'm saying what he did was selfish and scumbag-esque. This is a tragic moment, but people need to realize that this mistake he paid for and OTHERS could have paid for it as well. People need to keep being educated that drinking and driving isn't a joke.

 

There is absolutely nothing selfish or scummy about Fernandez responding to a serious argument with the mother of his child by having drinks and taking his boat out. It obviously wasn't the best way to blow off steam, but the self-righteous indignation is just too much. You have no idea what he was feeling at the time, and the outrage is completely unproductive. Especially from someone who, frankly, can't relate because they're 18 years old and were raised in a very conservative environment. It comes off the same as a 300-pound shut-in condemning Tiger Woods for cheating on his wife.

[fatcowxlive]

There is absolutely nothing selfish or scummy about Fernandez responding to a serious argument with the mother of his child by having drinks and taking his boat out. It obviously wasn't the best way to blow off steam, but the self-righteous indignation is just too much. Especially from someone who, frankly, can't relate because they're 18 years old and were raised in a very conservative environment. It comes off the same as a 300-pound shut in condemning Tiger Woods for cheating on his wife.

 

You're operating a 2000+ pound metal hunk of machinery in the middle of the night drunk because you got into an argument and want to blow off some steam...

 

I don't even know how anyone can disagree with this being selfish and putting everyone at risk. If I had to learn that one of my loved ones passed away because they got killed by a person operating a vehicle under the influence I wouldn't even know how to process that. Just because I'm a "18 years old and were raised in a very conservative environment" doesn't mean I don't know what's right and what's wrong.

[BTS]

You're operating a 2000+ pound metal hunk of machinery in the middle of the night drunk because you got into an argument and want to blow off some steam...

 

I don't even know how anyone can disagree with this being selfish and putting everyone at risk. If I had to learn that one of my loved ones passed away because they got killed by a person operating a vehicle under the influence I wouldn't even know how to process that. Just because I'm a "18 years old and were raised in a very conservative environment" doesn't mean I don't know what's right and what's wrong.

 

No, but it should prevent you from getting on your soapbox and making value judgments about how someone reacted to a situation that you can't possibly relate to.

[Boxcar]

Don't ever read stories about things that happen to children...There are people who truly believe a parent should NEVER take their eyes off their children and/or let them out of the bubble wrap. If they do - they are the devil. It's pretty sickening.

 

I remember a story about a teenager who got drunk and entered the wrong house, shot and killed. All these conservative retards were blaming the parents.

 

I don't know how they are able to mount horses that high but there you go.

[Grant77]

I guess you're right, I'll reserve my complete judgement until the autopsy is complete. But there aren't much other conclusions when what we know so far is:

 

- He got into an argument with his girl and left to the bar

- They smelled like alcohol and receipts of alcohol were found in pockets of the guys on the boat

- It was his boat

 

I'd say your assumptions are correct if I had to bet, but there are some things that may never been known.

 

For one thing, the smell of alcohol doesn't mean that the driver was over the legal limit. I have 2 beers every Monday night and drive home, which certainly isn't a crime (for me at least).

 

Also, I've been in a car with a drunk driver and not known. That's an honest mistake in most cases. Many people can have several drinks and not be visibly impaired. I'm sure he wasn't counting his friends drinks given his emotional state.

 

I'm sure there are other situations that could have came up, that's just my take on it for now.

[Boxcar]

No. It was reckless and he could have taken OTHER peoples lives. I hate people who drive under the influence of anything. I'm just thankful that they didn't kill anyone else. IF everyone was drunk on the boat (the report is smell of alcohol was found, they were at the bar, and a receipt of alcohol was found in one of their pockets..), scumbag is a fair word for putting other people at risk driving recklessly and under influence in a huge hunk of metal because he felt emotional.

 

If only everyone realized that alcohol and having fun are Haram!!!

[fatcowxlive]

No, but it should prevent you from getting on your soapbox and making value judgments about how someone reacted to a situation that you can't possibly relate to.

 

Oh really? s*** ok, guys the next person who gets a DUI here just tell the cop and court that you had an argument with your baby moms and see if they drop your case! And if the judge disagrees tell them they can't relate to reacting to an argument with a loved one by driving drunk to blow off steam!!

[Boxcar]

And then once it came out that the mother was black, people got a whole lot less comfortable piling on her.

 

Better to initially assume she was white because then we can run with the ******** narratives right away (they wouldn't have shot Harambe to save a black kid!) plus as we all know, white people are literally Hitler.

[BTS]

If only everyone realized that alcohol and having fun are Haram!!!

 

I didn't want to go there, but yeah. Someone who isn't even drinking age who was raised not to touch alcohol calling a guy scummy and selfish for having drinks and taking his boat on the ocean is just too much.

[Spanky99]

Oh really? s*** ok, guys the next person who gets a DUI here just tell the cop and court that you had an argument with your baby moms and see if they drop your case! And if the judge disagrees tell them they can't relate to reacting to an argument with a loved one by driving drunk to blow off steam!!

 

Holy f***... SHUT UP!

[fatcowxlive]

I'd say your assumptions are correct if I had to bet, but there are some things that may never been known.

 

For one thing, the smell of alcohol doesn't mean that the driver was over the legal limit. I have 2 beers every Monday night and drive home, which certainly isn't a crime (for me at least).

 

Also, I've been in a car with a drunk driver and not known. That's an honest mistake in most cases. Many people can have several drinks and not be visibly impaired. I'm sure he wasn't counting his friends drinks given his emotional state.

 

I'm sure there are other situations that could have came up, that's just my take on it for now.

You're right I'm wrong to come to conclusions so early based on not much information, I'll hold off talking about JF's particular situation until a full autopsy and report is formed.

 

I still think that just because you got into an argument doesn't excuse you from endangering the public. It's a public space, you wanna blow some steam do it in private don't drive drunk

[Boxcar]

I didn't want to go there, but yeah. Someone who isn't even drinking age who was raised not to touch alcohol calling a guy scummy and selfish for having drinks and taking his boat on the ocean is just too much.

 

Why not? Sanctimonious Muslims are annoying on these topics. All fair game.

[King]

I didn't want to go there, but yeah. Someone who isn't even drinking age who was raised not to touch alcohol calling a guy scummy and selfish for having drinks and taking his boat on the ocean is just too much.

 

I was under the impression Fatcow is 20 or 21.

[BTS]

Oh really? s*** ok, guys the next person who gets a DUI here just tell the cop and court that you had an argument with your baby moms and see if they drop your case! And if the judge disagrees tell them they can't relate to reacting to an argument with a loved one by driving drunk to blow off steam!!

 

This might surprise you, but I actually wouldn't make a value judgement on someone who got in an argument with their spouse and took their car out for a spin while over the limit. It's objectively unproductive, but it's also an understandable response to a serious stress. I don't think you really understand how much your actions are dictated by your genetics and experience, and how much a stressful event can cause you make irrational choices.

[BTS]

I was under the impression Fatcow is 20 or 21.

 

You guys are all still 15 to me.

[fatcowxlive]

I didn't want to go there, but yeah. Someone who isn't even drinking age who was raised not to touch alcohol calling a guy scummy and selfish for having drinks and taking his boat on the ocean is just too much.

 

Lmao ok bud. I have never seen anyone defend anyone for a DUI f*** out of here. I DD for my friends all the time because not only do I want them not to hurt themselves but not to hurt others but s*** I guess I'm wrong, let my boys go kill themselves because they got into an argument with their girls, because life is just a soap opera right?