Fangraphs Trade Value Thread

[Dr. Dinger]

Interesting that a lot of people around the league would take Correra over Seager.

 

Yeah that is a bit odd considering Seager's career batting line is much better, and there are more whispers of Correa moving off SS than Seager these days.

[FrozenRopes]

What the Foc is with Joc?

[jaysblue]

No reliever will make the top-50.

 

You think the Blue Jays ever experiment with Osuna as a starter or just keep him in the bullpen?

[BTS]

You think the Blue Jays ever experiment with Osuna as a starter or just keep him in the bullpen?

 

I'd be suprised if they move him. 1-2 wins from the pen is a pretty good outcome for a guy who might have high risk mechanics.

[jaysblue]

I'd be suprised if they move him. 1-2 wins from the pen is a pretty good outcome for a guy who might have high risk mechanics.

 

Yeah, plus the time it would take to make that transition to the rotation given the Jays window to contend, it wouldn't make sense.

[Grant77]

Yeah, plus the time it would take to make that transition to the rotation given the Jays window to contend, it wouldn't make sense.

 

 

I think it makes a lot of sense for next year if we don't resign Dickey. We'll be very short on SP depth and there are a ton of good relievers scheduled to be free agents.

[Laika]

-The threads are too crowded. I think I speak for a lot of people on this- when news comes out it too often gets lumped in around baseball, prospects or some related thread. I think encouraging more threads would make it better for people who come here for the latest news stories. I do not see a problem with creating smaller threads as long as they are news or opinion based and obviously not blatant troll threads. - reedjohnsonfan

 

Interesting.

 

boom roasted

[Dr. Dinger]

I think it makes a lot of sense for next year if we don't resign Dickey. We'll be very short on SP depth and there are a ton of good relievers scheduled to be free agents.

 

Osuna already said he wants to remain a closer. It's a dead issue.

[Orgfiller]

Okay I get it, Correa is really good and really young, a definitive top 10 asset in the game, no argument there. But why does ZIPS project him for multiple 8 WAR seasons? I'm guessing the only real comps here would be A-Rod and Cal Ripken, but not only were those players much better in their first full seasons - Alex Rodriguez put up 9.2 WAR as a 20-21 year old - they were also plus defenders at SS, while Correa thus far in his career (SSS and generally unreliable defensive metrics) has not proven to be one. Not to mention the fact that both of those guys are some of the best players of all time.

 

Then there's Seager, only 6 months older, putting up better numbers to start his career, and yet the industry consensus appears to be that Correa is the more valuable asset, I don't get this. I understand there are clear arguments from each side here, Corey Seager has relied on very high BABIP, has lower walk rates throughout his professional (MiLB and MLB) career and higher K rates, but one of these guys projects for a higher WAR total than Mike Trout and the other comes in ~a full win lower each year.

[Dr. Dinger]

Okay I get it, Correa is really good and really young, a definitive top 10 asset in the game, no argument there. But why does ZIPS project him for multiple 8 WAR seasons? I'm guessing the only real comps here would be A-Rod and Cal Ripken, but not only were those players much better in their first full seasons - Alex Rodriguez put up 9.2 WAR as a 20-21 year old - they were also plus defenders at SS, while Correa thus far in his career (SSS and generally unreliable defensive metrics) has not proven to be one. Not to mention the fact that both of those guys are some of the best players of all time.

 

Then there's Seager, only 6 months older, putting up better numbers to start his career, and yet the industry consensus appears to be that Correa is the more valuable asset, I don't get this. I understand there are clear arguments from each side here, Corey Seager has relied on very high BABIP, has lower walk rates throughout his professional (MiLB and MLB) career and higher K rates, but one of these guys projects for a higher WAR total than Mike Trout and the other comes in ~a full win lower each year.

 

Yeah, looking at their current career WAR/162, it's a bit of a stretch.

 

Seager WAR/162 = 7.5

Correa WAR/162 = 5.1

 

Seager is having a better rookie season this year than Correa had last year with considerably less fanfare.

[Atothe]

Okay I get it, Correa is really good and really young, a definitive top 10 asset in the game, no argument there. But why does ZIPS project him for multiple 8 WAR seasons? I'm guessing the only real comps here would be A-Rod and Cal Ripken, but not only were those players much better in their first full seasons - Alex Rodriguez put up 9.2 WAR as a 20-21 year old - they were also plus defenders at SS, while Correa thus far in his career (SSS and generally unreliable defensive metrics) has not proven to be one. Not to mention the fact that both of those guys are some of the best players of all time.

 

Then there's Seager, only 6 months older, putting up better numbers to start his career, and yet the industry consensus appears to be that Correa is the more valuable asset, I don't get this. I understand there are clear arguments from each side here, Corey Seager has relied on very high BABIP, has lower walk rates throughout his professional (MiLB and MLB) career and higher K rates, but one of these guys projects for a higher WAR total than Mike Trout and the other comes in ~a full win lower each year.

 

Maybe it's a glitch and I'm pretty he's moving off shortstop within a few years. He's gonna get Troy glaus big

[Dr. Dinger]

Maybe it's a glitch and I'm pretty he's moving off shortstop within a few years. He's gonna get Troy glaus big

 

Which one? They're both 6'4 and 210+ lbs. Seager has handled his defensive duties much better than Correa to this point.

[Atothe]

Which one? They're both 6'4 and 210+ lbs. Seager has handled his defensive duties much better than Correa to this point.

 

Correa. Have you seen his parents. Not the best outlook unless he's diligent about food consumption

[Dr. Dinger]

Correa. Have you seen his parents. Not the best outlook unless he's diligent about food consumption

 

It makes a lot of sense to move Correa to 3B already, Bregman is raring to go and a better SS defensively, plus it's not like Valbuena is a defensive stalwart.

[Orgfiller]

Correa. Have you seen his parents. Not the best outlook unless he's diligent about food consumption

 

Well, he is a professional athlete after all. It's more about how his body will react to playing SS as he gains more muscle. Both are probably 3B longterm. At least in Seager's case we have his older brother who is smaller and plays at the hot corner.

[Dr. Dinger]

Well, he is a professional athlete after all. It's more about how his body will react to playing SS as he gains more muscle. Both are probably 3B longterm. At least in Seager's case we have his older brother who is smaller and plays at the hot corner.

 

Yeah, they're both 3Bs by the time they're 30, but it seems that Seager has a better starting point to stick at SS for longer.

[Atothe]

Kyle Seager was pretty much a 2nd basemen during the minors. I wonder why Seattle moved him to third?

[Laika]

Kyle Seager was pretty much a 2nd basemen during the minors. I wonder why Seattle moved him to third?

 

Because they had Dustin Ackley and Nick Franklin and Brad Miller and Joe McBlow and more 2B than they could shake a stick at!

[Atothe]

Dustin Ackley lmaoooooooo. Mariners smh

[burlingtonbandit]

Correa. Have you seen his parents. Not the best outlook unless he's diligent about food consumption

 

lol have you seen Brett Lawrie's parents? They're fat as hell but the guy is ripped. These guys are professional athletes and train year round, as long as they put the work in they aren't going to get fat.

[John_Havok]

1-10.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-trade-value-1-to-10/

 

Not shocking to see Trout at 1

[reedjohnsonfan]

Osuna already said he wants to remain a closer. It's a dead issue.

 

How is it a dead issue? The Reds wanted to convert Chapman to a starter a few years ago and he said he wanted to be closer but they were still tempted to stretch him. If the Jays approached Osuna he might consider changing his mind.

[Atothe]

lol have you seen Brett Lawrie's parents? They're fat as hell but the guy is ripped. These guys are professional athletes and train year round, as long as they put the work in they aren't going to get fat.

 

This is true but athlete tend to get heavier as they age. Rarely do they stay the same weight. Jeter and Bautista are rarities. I just see Correa in the Gary Sheffield mold. Fit but bulky

[Grant77]

Osuna already said he wants to remain a closer. It's a dead issue.

 

I don't care what he wants and neither does Shapiro.

[sawyerford]

I don't care what he wants and neither does Shapiro.

 

Uh...he's not going to be a starter.

[Grant77]

Uh...he's not going to be a starter.

 

Do you think he can't do it?