GDT - Rays @ Blue Jays (3/3) - The End of Days Thread

[Terminator]

That's a bad team with two albatross contracts, a lot of holes, and about $100M committed. If things go south this year, you actually have a decision looming about whether you want to trade or extend Donaldson.

 

Is it really that bad? If payroll holds and the 100 million number is right you'd have 37 million to play with.

[Praxis]

I still think Tulo is moveable and I don't think he'd object too much either if things continue to go south. Only Martin right now looks like Vernon Wells Mark II.

[TheHurl]

Guess the number of fans when they return from their road trip...

 

I say 18,000

 

the weekday game in June (14th) is sold out. they may start to get less than what they sell...but it won't drop too low.

[BTS]

Is it really that bad? If payroll holds and the 100 million number is right you'd have 37 million to play with.

 

I think it's pretty bad. No 1B, LF, or DH. No bench. A RF that's struggling in AAA. Average-ish rotation. Catcher might suck balls. No talent looming in AAA. Weak FA class. It's going to be hard to field a competitive team next year if none of the good free agents are retained.

[glory]

It's going to be an interesting 2017. With all the free agents gone, the team looks something like:

 

C - Martin

1B -

2B - Travis

3B - Donaldson

SS - Tulowitzki

CF - Pillar

RF - Pompey

LF -

DH -

 

Bench -

 

SP - Stroman

SP - Sanchez

SP - Happ

SP - Estrada

SP - Hutchison

 

BP - Osuna, Biagini, Loup, Girodo

 

That's a bad team with two albatross contracts, a lot of holes, and about $100M committed. If things go south this year, you actually have a decision looming about whether you want to trade or extend Donaldson.

 

Yeah, that doesn't look good. I don't see a way out of it either. The free agent market sucks, they have nothing in the minors, and no expendable prospects to trade for upgrades.

 

I don't know if Shapiro is a smooth enough talker to sell trading Donaldson, but it might be necessary if 2016 goes in the shitter.

[TheHurl]

I mean the team isn't in THAT dire of a situation. Farm systems can be turned around fast.

 

Only starter we lose is Dickey. We lose some RP. We lose Bautista, EE and I believe Smoak and Saunders.

 

This is who we have coming back next year:

C- Martin

1B- ???

2B- Travis

SS- Tulo

3B- Donaldson

LF- ???

CF- Pillar

RF- Pompey (?)

DH- ???

 

That's not complete s***. We should have some payroll flexibility too with all those guys coming off the books. With some shrewd moves we could be alright.

 

It's not pretty but not all hope is lost. s*** not all hope is lost for this season either.

 

would be nice to have the ability to trade one of the FA's while remaining competitive, just to gain a few years of control. Saunders is probably the best candidate for that.

[500LevelSTH]

Smoak is going to be the career season guy and im very happy to see that happen for him

[BigCecil]

This is a really depressing conversation for May 18th and one I never expected.

[KingKat]

Damn for some reason I thought Smoak had signed for two years...

[thatoneguy]

This is a really depressing conversation for May 18th and one I never expected.

 

Pretty much a disaster.

[HypeLikeJoseCruzJr.]

Got 12 games in row against NYY and BOS home and away each, right after twins series. I dont think Gibby makes it thru the next 16 games.

 

I think Shapiro and Atkins want their guy, and he's making it easy for them to make a change at this point.

 

his offense needs a lead-off hitter, the Storen / Revere trade has really hurt based on Storen not even able to provide mop-up duty at this point.

 

Sad that we are wasting great starting pitching.

[Angrioter]

Gibbons fire next week. Book it!!

[CJ-Freeway]

Gibbons fire next week. Book it!!

 

Not like that would make this team any better, anyways.

[CJ-Freeway]

This is a really depressing conversation for May 18th and one I never expected.

 

Same here. We all didn't expect Cecil, Storen, Tulo and Martin to suck that much. They pretty much f***ed us.

[CJ-Freeway]

I think it's pretty bad. No 1B, LF, or DH. No bench. A RF that's struggling in AAA. Average-ish rotation. Catcher might suck balls. No talent looming in AAA. Weak FA class. It's going to be hard to field a competitive team next year if none of the good free agents are retained.

 

Yeah, things don't look too good. Might have to start rebuilding for 2018, 2014 Cubs style.

[Stangstag]

I think Shapiro and Atkins want their guy, and he's making it easy for them to make a change at this point.

 

his offense needs a lead-off hitter, the Storen / Revere trade has really hurt based on Storen not even able to provide mop-up duty at this point.

 

Sad that we are wasting great starting pitching.

 

Revere has also been garbage this season

[Dick_Pole]

And I thought this board was for the "smart" Jays fans... *sigh*

 

Do you recall what the team record was at this time last year? 18-24

 

With this much going on wrong with this team somehow they are still only 4 games under .500.

 

Once things start clicking and the Jays go on one of their 11 game win streaks this board's members will be slobbering all over themselves again.

[BTS]

And I thought this board was for the "smart" Jays fans... *sigh*

 

Do you recall what the team record was at this time last year? 18-24

 

With this much going on wrong with this team somehow they are still only 4 games under .500.

 

Once things start clicking and the Jays go on one of their 11 game win streaks this board's members will be slobbering all over themselves again.

 

Playoff odds are at about 26%. Season definitely isn't over, but it's also not too early to start talking about the interesting scenario of 11 guys on the 25 man about to hit free agency.

[Stangstag]

Playoff odds are at about 26%. Season definitely isn't over, but it's also not too early to start talking about the interesting scenario of 11 guys on the 25 man about to hit free agency.

 

Its fine to talk about, but realistically no plans should be made by the front office until July.

[Terminator]

I think it's pretty bad. No 1B, LF, or DH. No bench. A RF that's struggling in AAA. Average-ish rotation. Catcher might suck balls. No talent looming in AAA. Weak FA class. It's going to be hard to field a competitive team next year if none of the good free agents are retained.

 

C might suck balls but it could also be 2 WAR. 2B and SS could both be 3 WAR. 3B could be 7 WAR. CF at 4 WAR. RF 2 WAR.

 

Those aren't unrealistic at all. Might be what the projections would say give or take a half WAR at each spot. Right?

[Dick_Pole]

Playoff odds are at about 26%. Season definitely isn't over, but it's also not too early to start talking about the interesting scenario of 11 guys on the 25 man about to hit free agency.

 

The one advantage of the WC2 from a seller's perspective is that it skews the ratio of buyers to sellers in their favour. So that's the only reason to even think about selling opportunities. If the Jays are one of 5-10 teams selling to 15+ buyers, then maybe, just maybe some of these guys get bid up.

 

But otherwise outside of Bautista, what free agent is going to get a decent haul in a sell off scenario? Encarnacion maybe, but his market as a DH is limited especially if he continues on this path - which is the path he must continue on if the Jays are to continue to suck. The other guys are going to get nothing better than what the Jays gave up for Lowe and Revere - as in other words s*** all - unless the aforementioned bid up happens. Depth pieces or RPs unless the player development department can pull a rabbit out of their hat with the bodies they do bring in. You're better off going the comp pick route with Bautista and EE and maybe take a chance at QOing Saunders and Dickey (Smoak???) depending on how they end the year and do your best due diligence possible at the draft.

 

Happ and Estrada actually have more value than any of the guys scheduled to walk at the end of the year outside of JB and EE.

[Statman]

Hearing this morning if they fall flat on their faces in Minny there are possibilities of coaching changes. Also hearing they would rather bring in their own guy to handle the interim job rather than handing it off to one of AA's old guard. I'm assuming they will promote Eric Wedge and after the 2016 season he will go back to being an advisor to the team.

[Brownie19]

I think Shapiro and Atkins want their guy, and he's making it easy for them to make a change at this point.

 

his offense needs a lead-off hitter, the Storen / Revere trade has really hurt based on Storen not even able to provide mop-up duty at this point.

 

Sad that we are wasting great starting pitching.

 

who ya taking out of the starting lineup to put Revere in it.........I expect to hear crickets

[Jimcanuck]

Not like that would make this team any better, anyways.

 

it would, gibby has made a number of stupid decisions

[Brownie19]

Hearing this morning if they fall flat on their faces in Minny there are possibilities of coaching changes. Also hearing they would rather bring in their own guy to handle the interim job rather than handing it off to one of AA's old guard. I'm assuming they will promote Eric Wedge and after the 2016 season he will go back to being an advisor to the team.

 

does anyone think this will make a difference?

[Statman]

does anyone think this will make a difference?

 

Probably not but it is a way for Shartkins to prepare the fanbase early (mostly the casuals) that there will be sweeping changes across the organization.

[nextyear]

And I thought this board was for the "smart" Jays fans... *sigh*

 

Do you recall what the team record was at this time last year? 18-24

 

With this much going on wrong with this team somehow they are still only 4 games under .500.

 

Once things start clicking and the Jays go on one of their 11 game win streaks this board's members will be slobbering all over themselves again.

 

 

The two season don't seem very similar. After 42 games in 2015 the Blue Jays had scored 215 runs and had 203 scored against them. This year after 42 games the Blues Jays have scored 168 and have 173 runs scored against them.

 

The Blue Jays were scoring more runs last season but blowing games because of poor starting pitching and bull pen. For some reason this 2016 team has a tough time scoring runs and it seems like Encarnacion is just swinging for stats and doesn't care about wins (he doesn't want to walk, so he will swing at ball 4 instead). Martin has just been terrible.

 

I was a big Encarnacion fan last year, at this point I just want to see him gone as soon as possible. Goins has been terrible and needs to be sent to AAA (or retire from baseball). Martin may never be a good hitter again. Tulowitzki seems lost.

[BlueJayWay]

Hearing this morning if they fall flat on their faces in Minny there are possibilities of coaching changes. Also hearing they would rather bring in their own guy to handle the interim job rather than handing it off to one of AA's old guard. I'm assuming they will promote Eric Wedge and after the 2016 season he will go back to being an advisor to the team.

You have inside sources?

[ValiantJaysFan]

Eric Wedge would be 10x worse than Gibby. I know that's hard to imagine, but imagine John Gibbons only dumber and less likeable.

[RealAccountant]

Best manager jays ever had was Carlos Tosca

 

But they threw him to the wolves after a bad year in which all 3 of our best players hurt

 

Man that guy could really manage the bullpen