Colabello and Smoak Discussion

[G-Snarls]

Lucky last year

 

Has provided nothing so far and looks like he's actually given up

 

Time to jettison this one year fluke

[bones10]

f***.

 

We shouldn't have expected much from him this year; but his start combined with Martin, Tulo, and Pillar have really put the Jays in tough spot. I mean, it's April, he may or may not figure it out and it would be a lot easier to wait it out if we were in let's say the Orioles position.

 

But we're not, and I don't know if Pompey starting in right with Bautista at first makes us necessarily better offensively, but defense in the outfield will def get an upgrade.

 

All that being said, I feel Shapiro will allow Smoakobello to continue until the end of the month atleast.

[Statman]

Lucky last year

 

Has provided nothing so far and looks like he's actually given up

 

Time to jettison this one year fluke

 

Gibbons loves dat 0.300+ 2015 a-fridge.

[BTS]

Yes, he does. He's not a good player.

[Statman]

Yes, he does. He's not a good player.

 

Unfortunately it is in Colabello and Gibbons mind that he is an everyday player.

[Jonn]

Yup hes pretty f***ing useless without BABIP.

[bbgobie]

Who do you guys all want to play instead? Can't hit a breaking ball Smoak?

[CultofShatkins]

Who do you guys all want to play instead? Can't hit a breaking ball Smoak?

 

Montero? Morneau when he's healthy? Hope that the FO could actually pull off a decent trade? This guy?

 

http://weknowyourdreamz.com/images/zombies/zombies-09.jpg

[Nafro]

Montero? Morneau when he's healthy? Hope that the FO can actually pull off a decent trade? This guy?

 

http://weknowyourdreamz.com/images/zombies/zombies-09.jpg

 

This^

[Nafro]

We do not make the playoffs if Colabello is an every day player batting 6th or 7th in this division.

 

I love how someone mostly platoons against lefties, has a crazy high BABIP (historically high) , and the next year he's an everyday player. How many times did we go through this with Adam Lind. Jeepers.

[nmrch]

Him and Smoak are now 2-34, 4 BB, 0 XBH, 18 K

 

I honestly don't think the Jays even see a problem. Gibbons probably thinks they're both good reliable hitters even though Colabello had one fluke year and SMoak has never been anything but useless

[Nafro]

Him and Smoak are now 2-34, 4 BB, 0 XBH, 18 K

 

I honestly don't think the Jays even see a problem. Gibbons probably thinks they're both good reliable hitters even though Colabello had one fluke year and SMoak has never been anything but useless

 

Madison Bumgarner has been more productive as a batter.

[Laika]

Him and Smoak are now 2-34, 4 BB, 0 XBH, 18 K

 

I honestly don't think the Jays even see a problem. Gibbons probably thinks they're both good reliable hitters even though Colabello had one fluke year and SMoak has never been anything but useless

 

You can rest assured that Shatkins knows what's up.

[Daniel Labude]

f***.

 

We shouldn't have expected much from him this year; but his start combined with Martin, Tulo, and Pillar have really put the Jays in tough spot. I mean, it's April, he may or may not figure it out and it would be a lot easier to wait it out if we were in let's say the Orioles position.

 

But we're not, and I don't know if Pompey starting in right with Bautista at first makes us necessarily better offensively, but defense in the outfield will def get an upgrade.

 

All that being said, I feel Shapiro will allow Smoakobello to continue until the end of the month atleast.

 

Yes it does. It would at least increase the pitch count do to the decrease in 1 pitch ABs, 3 pitch Ks, and add more walks.

[Krylian]

The question is....

 

... Can Colabello stick?

[nmrch]

Madison Bumgarner has been more productive as a batter.

 

Just looked at the numbers, NL pitchers have a higher average, iso, a better K rate and better overall production. Smoakabello have drawn more walks

[Boxcar]

Agreed. I can't believe they're both playing over Carlos Delgado.

 

You find it unreasonable to expect at least average hitting from first base?

[KingKat]

The bright side is that the front office did not sink a whole lot of money into Smoakabello so there should be no real reluctance from a financial perspective to pull the plug. Dump Colabello, relegate Smoak to backup duty, call up Pompey. The real sticking point is the potential fight with Bautista over less OF play.

[admin]

He played over his head last year, I don't know how he kept it up the whole year. Time for him to GTFO. Unfotunately Gibbons will keep running him out there waiting for him to 'turn it around'. Maybe he'll move him to leadoff, seems like something he'd do.

[Angrioter]

Everybody knows Colabello suxxx. Shatkins is a smart FO. ColabelloSmoak is almost over.

[gruber92]

Everybody knows Colabello suxxx. Shatkins is a smart FO. ColabelloSmoak is almost over.

 

They won't pull the plug after two weeks in. Smoakabello will continue to start to the end of the month at least.

[BTS]

bah gawd, he has a -77 wRC+

[HERPDERP]

We really should have got John Jaso

[jaysblue]

The bright side is that the front office did not sink a whole lot of money into Smoakabello so there should be no real reluctance from a financial perspective to pull the plug. Dump Colabello, relegate Smoak to backup duty, call up Pompey. The real sticking point is the potential fight with Bautista over less OF play.

 

$4 million on Smoak still isn't chump change. I've liked all the moves made by Shapiro this offseason, though re-signing Smoak that early in the offseason is the one I still question. It kind of handcuffed them from searching for an upgrade (e.g. John Jaso) since they were set on Smoak/Colabello at first base that early in the offseason. As well, the Jays probably could have got Smoak for cheaper (arbitration estimates weren't high as $4M). Just kind of a weird move as to why Shapiro panicked into signing Smoak right away at that price.

[BillBucknorslegs]

I've liked all the moves made by Shapiro this offseason

 

I haven't. Hendricks for Chavez, $3.9 million on Smoak, the Jay Bruce debacle, the $450,000 Josh Donaldson fiasco, insisting repeatedly that the payroll would increase from last year and then completely dropping the subject, letting Mark Lowe go to Detroit for peanuts etc.

 

I understand the plan though. Grab whatever success we can this year, enter a long and potentially painful rebuild afterwards and then reap the rewards 4-6 seasons later. By then however I'm pretty sure the current FO will be run out of town on a railroad and the only people watching will be the 15-20,000 diehards who would watch us play the Padres at 2:00am on a Wednesday morning.

[glory]

I understand the plan though. Grab whatever success we can this year, enter a long and potentially painful rebuild afterwards and then reap the rewards 4-6 seasons later. By then however I'm pretty sure the current FO will be run out of town on a railroad and the only people watching will be the 15-20,000 diehards who would watch us play the Padres at 2:00am on a Wednesday morning.

 

It seems pretty clear when Shapiro was hired that the intention was to cut bait on the current roster. Then the trade deadline s*** happened, and things turned around. In reality, look at the roster. The entire lineup, 1-9, was inherited from last season. The bench features a cast of characters that were all here last season. The rotation is the same as the beginning of last season except Stroman is healthy and Happ is replacing Buehrle. The two top relievers on the team were there last season (and pens change every year regardless). In reality, Shapiro didn't do much of anything to this roster. He just added depth to AA's team and brought everyone he could back. Whether that was by design or simply his way to biding time until he actually has to fix the roster (2017-beyond) is anyone's guess.

 

I don't think Shapiro is a fan of this core at all, to be honest. It's older, expensive, weak farm system, and goes against what he believes as far as team building. Get what you can in 2016 and then retool is probably the best way to describe this season.

[L54]

Lowe got 6.5M a year for two years from Detroit. Wasn't peanuts.

[closetjaysfan]

First base has always been a poor mans DH. Good hitters who suck in the field grow up playing first base. How is it that we have 2 first basemen that both suck at hitting? Id rather have someone from AAA playing first (though EE at 1B and JB DH makes more sense).

[Sorrow]

I'd like to see Smoak playing against all RHP. Cola DFAd, Burns added to the 40 and called up and Pompey replacing Carrera.

 

Pompey plays once a week in CF, twice in LF and against LHP in RF with Bautista or EE playing 1B and DHing. Burns adds corner IF and 2b depth if JD needs to DH for a few games again.

[jaysblue]

I haven't. Hendricks for Chavez, $3.9 million on Smoak, the Jay Bruce debacle, the $450,000 Josh Donaldson fiasco, insisting repeatedly that the payroll would increase from last year and then completely dropping the subject, letting Mark Lowe go to Detroit for peanuts etc.

 

I understand the plan though. Grab whatever success we can this year, enter a long and potentially painful rebuild afterwards and then reap the rewards 4-6 seasons later. By then however I'm pretty sure the current FO will be run out of town on a railroad and the only people watching will be the 15-20,000 diehards who would watch us play the Padres at 2:00am on a Wednesday morning.

 

I have no problem with the Hendricks/Chavez swap. I guarantee you Chavez will pitch out of the rotation at some point and make close to 15-20 starts this season. Better than relying on a Scott Copeland, Chien Ming Wang, Felix Doubront, Ramon Ortiz, Matt Boyd etc. to make a string of starts. Jays needed rotation depth which is something they didn't have last season.