General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[o2cui2i]

as much as people don't really like Navarro... we will all be really happy we have him if Martin is out for any time. ouch....

[Pendleton]

as much as people don't really like Navarro... we will all be really happy we have him if Martin is out for any time. ouch....

 

Yeah definitely. Can you imagine the reaction in here if Thole was named the new starting catcher?

[Orgfiller]

as much as people don't really like Navarro... we will all be really happy we have him if Martin is out for any time. ouch....

 

Yeah definitely. Can you imagine the reaction in here if Thole was named the new starting catcher?

 

In Thole's defense, both he and Navarro are about equally as useless. Both are below-replacement levels players who project to play as exactly replacement level players. Neither hits well, Navarro projects a bit better there, and neither are particularly good defensive catchers, while Navarro is an abysmal framer which hurts his value.

[STLJaysFan]

as much as people don't really like Navarro... we will all be really happy we have him if Martin is out for any time. ouch....

 

This is EXACTLY why he was acquired. Maybe there was some discussions behind the scenes about Martin having some nagging injuries at this point of the season, and the front office knew if he needed any extended time off, that the man from Breese, Illinois (which is where I was last night), Josh Thole, would not be someone they would want to give regular playing time in September or even the postseason. And the fact that Navarro has a familiarity with some of the pitching staff and the rest of the team is a bonus!

[jiminy]

Thole could turn out to be a secret weapon

[G-Snarls]

as much as people don't really like Navarro... we will all be really happy we have him if Martin is out for any time. ouch....

 

Agreed

 

Can't have Thole playing 6 times a week

[puphood]

Is Joe Biagini a guy you consider for a possible starters role in the future? Or is he just a really lucky/and or good reliever that would be exposed as a starter?

Starter book it......

[G-Snarls]

Omg

 

[G-Snarls]

Metal Mulisha!!!

[G-Snarls]

Starters for the weekend series vs Red Sox:

 

Estrada vs Porcello

Happ vs Rodriguez

Sanchez vs Buccholz

[Krylian]

Thole could turn out to be a secret weapon

 

*crickets*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....see what I did there...

[puphood]

Martin will get 2 days off and maybe get a matching knee brace like Bautista's. I didn't think this division could get much tighter but it seriously could go to the wire with 4 teams......

[Governator]

Starters for the weekend aeries vs Red Sox:

 

Estrada vs Porcello

Happ vs Rodriguez

Sanchez vs Buccholz

 

Wow Buchholz starting again. He's been flip flopped from starter/reliever so many times this year and it's crazy that he's been better starting with f***ed up rest.

[KingKat]

And the fact that Navarro has a familiarity with some of the pitching staff and the rest of the team is a bonus!

 

I wouldn't say it's a bonus. I'd say it's his main source of value at this point. Despite what Gibby might think, he's not even an average hitter at this point and he was never a good receiver.

[BigCecil]

Starters for the weekend series vs Red Sox:

 

Estrada vs Porcello

Happ vs Rodriguez

Sanchez vs Buccholz

 

Going to be in tough. All 3 of their SP's have been throwing the ball pretty well. Time to cowboy up Jays!

[glory]

Navarro sucks, but he sucks a lot less than Thole. That's really the only benefit.

 

Martin better be healthy.

[KingKat]

Going to be in tough. All 3 of their SP's have been throwing the ball pretty well. Time to cowboy up Jays!

 

To be fair, Jays pitchers have been throwing well too they just haven't been getting the run support.

[glory]

Jays have 16 games left against the ALE and 13 of them are at home. Hopefully that's a good thing but with this offense who the hell knows.

[BigCecil]

To be fair, Jays pitchers have been throwing well too they just haven't been getting the run support.

 

The last 5 starts or so Happ and Estrada haven't really been throwing the ball well. Estrada had one good start mixed in there, but Happ is really struggling.

[G-Snarls]

Navarro sucks, but he sucks a lot less than Thole. That's really the only benefit.

 

Martin better be healthy.

 

Yeah I'm more than a little worried about Martin

[Governator]

Yeah I'm more than a little worried about Martin

 

You could totally tell he wanted to give it 150% and he was mad/frustrated as hell.

[G-Snarls]

Jays have 16 games left against the ALE and 13 of them are at home. Hopefully that's a good thing but with this offense who the hell knows.

 

13/16 at home? F'n sweet

[G-Snarls]

A day off today is most definitely a good thing

[burlingtonbandit]

Looks like Martin could be fine on defense but I don't know how he could swing the bat if the knee injury is serious.

[Governator]

To be fair, Jays pitchers have been throwing well too they just haven't been getting the run support.

 

Some of that might have to do with fatigue. Estrada is already at his usual full season of workload (minus last year) and with a bad back I'm sure he's fighting through a lot. Happ's at 164IP, the most he's ever done is 172 last year. It's quite possible these guys are simply running out of steam late in the season, they are both 33 and don't come with 10 years of 175IP type seasons.

[West Texas Forever]

If the Jays don't win 2 games vs Boston this series the season is over. I'm usually not too pessimistic but the Jays have been s*** lately.

[Grant77]

Some of that might have to do with fatigue. Estrada is already at his usual full season of workload (minus last year) and with a bad back I'm sure he's fighting through a lot. Happ's at 164IP, the most he's ever done is 172 last year. It's quite possible these guys are simply running out of steam late in the season, they are both 33 and don't come with 10 years of 175IP type seasons.

 

For reference, Happ is roughly 300 pitches thrown below last year's total and Estrada is roughly 850 pitches below.

[burlingtonbandit]

If the Jays don't win 2 games vs Boston this series the season is over. I'm usually not too pessimistic but the Jays have been s*** lately.

 

You do realize the Jays would still be in position for the playoffs if they lose 2/3 games this weekend, right?

[West Texas Forever]

You do realize the Jays would still be in position for the playoffs if they lose 2/3 games this weekend, right?

 

AL East or bust dude.

[Governator]

For reference, Happ is roughly 300 pitches thrown below last year's total and Estrada is roughly 850 pitches below.

 

Estrada also had a DL stint and has had a bad back and it's not quite the same as pitches thrown vs IP. I understand the difference you're trying to say regarding strain on the arm but if you get taken out in the 3rd inning after getting roughed up in a tough 50+pitches outing, that can be just as exhausting or more than a 100 pitches 7IP game of clean ball with regular rest.