General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[HERPDERP]

I'm glad Ventura isn't pitching this series, but then again Volquez is probably going to throw at JD just cause

[Dick_Pole]

Trout can't win MVP because the Angels are one of the worst teams in the American League.

 

And if Trout got traded to the Cubs tomorrow he still wouldn't win because he didn't spend enough time in either league. The nuances of the BBWAA award system.

[RealAccountant]

I'm glad Ventura isn't pitching this series, but then again Volquez is probably going to throw at JD just cause

 

Send in Schultz with that 100 MPH at Hosmers head

[banned]

Hopefully the Jays can take 2 out of 3 against KC and Baltimore drops 2 out of 3 in Hell-A

 

Screw that Sweep these f***ers.

[Stangstag]

Just sayin'... If the jays had tried a suicide squeeze in that Canada day game, they probably would have won. More than a couple times, they had a runner on 3rd with 1 out and a guy like Carrera/Barney/Pillar at the plate.

[Daniel Labude]

Just sayin'... If the jays had tried a suicide squeeze in that Canada day game, they probably would have won. More than a couple times, they had a runner on 3rd with 1 out and a guy like Carrera/Barney/Pillar at the plate.

 

Not even a suicide squeeze...a safety squeeze would have worked just as easily.

[banned]

Just sayin'... If the jays had tried a suicide squeeze in that Canada day game, they probably would have won. More than a couple times, they had a runner on 3rd with 1 out and a guy like Carrera/Barney/Pillar at the plate.

 

So many wasted opportunities that game, no business losing that game. Jays have some weird thing going on this season where they keep losing games they should have won, so many tough losses this season. So many blown leads and wasted opportunities. Might cost them the division

[THANOS]

It's insane, but Donaldson, at 4.8WAR now, is pacing to have a better season than last year. With Trout on the Angels, it looks really promising for him to repeat as MVP.

[KingKat]

It's insane, but Donaldson, at 4.8WAR now, is pacing to have a better season than last year. With Trout on the Angels, it looks really promising for him to repeat as MVP.

 

What's even more insane is that you could make a very strong case for Trout as the MVP in every single full season he's played. He only has one trophy but he's finished in the top 2 in voting in all four of his complete seasons and could very well make it 5.

[Cyborg]

Trout will probably hit the 60 WAR Hall of Fame benchmark by this time 2018. Wow.

[G-Snarls]

Trout is so consistently excellent

 

However, has he ever been THE BEST hitter in the AL? I'd like to look it up but can't right now. I'm guessing Cabrera and Donaldson had better wRC+ (and know they had more HR/RBI of course FWIW) in their MVP vs Trout years.

 

Voters often favour the best hitter over the best all around player.

[King]

Trout is so consistently excellent

 

However, has he ever been THE BEST hitter in the AL? I'd like to look it up but can't right now. I'm guessing Cabrera and Donaldson had better wRC+ (and know they had more HR/RBI of course FWIW) in their MVP vs Trout years.

 

Voters often favour the best hitter over the best all around player.

 

Yes he was the best in 2015, tied for the best in 2014, 2nd best in 2013, and best in 2012.

[THANOS]

What's even more insane is that you could make a very strong case for Trout as the MVP in every single full season he's played. He only has one trophy but he's finished in the top 2 in voting in all four of his complete seasons and could very well make it 5.

 

Trout will probably hit the 60 WAR Hall of Fame benchmark by this time 2018. Wow.

 

Yeah, Trout's such a beast. That outrageous fangraphs article charting what it would take for him to become the greatest player of all time in WAR becomes less outrageous by the season.

[Governator]

I got today's GDT. I'm 2-0 with a 28-4 run scored vs against lol.

[King]

Yeah, Trout's such a beast. That outrageous fangraphs article charting what it would take for him to become the greatest player of all time in WAR becomes less outrageous by the season.

 

I would love to see him become the greatest player of all time by the end of his career. Hopefully he doesn't get slowed down by injuries. That would suck.

[G-Snarls]

Yes he was the best in 2015, tied for the best in 2014, 2nd best in 2013, and best in 2012.

 

Damn. He really has gotten the shaft. In part because giving it to others for a better story or playoff team or whatever. Not his fault he's playing for a team that doesn't get noticed.

[Atothe]

Damn. He really has gotten the shaft. In part because giving it to others for a better story or playoff team or whatever. Not his fault he's playing for a team that doesn't get noticed.

 

A Triple Crown and barely any playoff appearances have kept him from winning

[HERPDERP]

A Triple Crown and barely any playoff appearances have kept him from winning

 

watch Mike Trout pull a Durant and go to the Cubs in 2018

[thatoneguy]

I would love to see him become the greatest player of all time by the end of his career. Hopefully he doesn't get slowed down by injuries. That would suck.

 

Hoping he gets at least one 50 HR season and a Triple Crown, he's got the power and the mindset at the plate to pull it off.

[Brownie19]

Hoping he gets at least one 50 HR season and a Triple Crown, he's got the power and the mindset at the plate to pull it off.

 

It's a shame they stopped letting him run so early in his career too (maybe that helps long term) - but we could have seen a 40-40 season or better as he was the best base runner in baseball his rookie season.

[Captain Adama]

It's a shame they stopped letting him run so early in his career too (maybe that helps long term) - but we could have seen a 40-40 season or better as he was the best base runner in baseball his rookie season.

 

Well, he's on pace for 27 this year. They're letting him run again. Or at least, he's decided to run again.

[Governator]

It's probably getting more outrageous though, that's what's frustrating with a player so good. By not improving overall since his rookie season, he may have demonstrated that he won't reach Ruth.

 

It looks at this point like he's a better version of Willie Mays.

 

 

I wish we could tell just how good historic players could be in today's game, or say if Mike Trout were dropped in to the 1920s, how beastly he'd be... I mean there were only 8 teams in the AL in 1923 and less great players throughout the league as there are today.

[Stangstag]

I wish we could tell just how good historic players could be in today's game, or say if Mike Trout were dropped in to the 1920s, how beastly he'd be... I mean there were only 8 teams in the AL in 1923 and less great players throughout the league as there are today.

 

Totally. I feel like i'm one of the only people who thinks that Ruth is wildly overrated.

 

Ruth probably = David Ortiz if he played today. Which is great, but not close to being GOAT.

[thatoneguy]

It's probably getting more outrageous though, that's what's frustrating with a player so good. By not improving overall since his rookie season, he may have demonstrated that he won't reach Ruth.

 

It looks at this point like he's a better version of Willie Mays.

 

Considering Mays may have been the greatest all around player of all time, I mean we're talking truly unheard of ceilings.

[Thaddeus Malice]

Totally. I feel like i'm one of the only people who thinks that Ruth is wildly overrated.

 

Ruth probably = David Ortiz if he played today. Which is great, but not close to being GOAT.

 

Absurd. Of course with the benefit of modern training etc. today's players would dominate. But you compare players in eras to how they performed relative to their peers. Ruth was unbelievably dominant against everyone else playing in that era which is why he is considered one of the GOATs. Otherwise you might as well dismiss every player from any era before the 70's or 80's or whenever you want to say modern medicine and training started provided significant advantages.

[Governator]

Absurd. Of course with the benefit of modern training etc. today's players would dominate. But you compare players in eras to how they performed relative to their peers. Ruth was unbelievably dominant against everyone else playing in that era which is why he is considered one of the GOATs. Otherwise you might as well dismiss every player from any era before the 70's or 80's or whenever you want to say modern medicine and training started provided significant advantages.

 

Well then Mike Tyson is the greatest boxer of all time. Or we could say we'll never know.

[vdubmvp]

I'm glad Ventura isn't pitching this series, but then again Volquez is probably going to throw at JD just cause

 

I actually don't expect anything like that to happen at all this series.

[Jimcanuck]

Well then Mike Tyson is the greatest boxer of all time. Or we could say we'll never know.

 

Crikes how can you say that so soon after we lost the Greatest

[Jimcanuck]

Totally. I feel like i'm one of the only people who thinks that Ruth is wildly overrated.

 

Ruth probably = David Ortiz if he played today. Which is great, but not close to being GOAT.

 

It's too bad there are many pictures of Ruth in his twilight years as a pudgy old guy in the 30's and relatively few from his 1920's prime. For most of his career as an ace pitcher and feared slugger, he was nothing at all like Ortiz, he was an incredibly strong and fit guy like Trout.

 

Most folks don't realize Ted Williams would have amassed >160 WAR, right up there with Ruth and Barry "The Clear" Bonds if he didn't fight in WWII missing 3 of his prime years.

Edited July 4, 2016 by Jimcanuck

[Jonn]

Well then Mike Tyson is the greatest boxer of all time. Or we could say we'll never know.

 

That's like saying Shaq is better than Michael Jordan.