General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[Spanky99]

I play everyone some in the OF and IF some and every kid sits some. These are 8-9-10 year olds.

 

But I never play the kids who aren't any good at 1B, Pitcher or catcher. Its beyond brutal if you do and they can get hurt. That doesn't mean they don't ask to do it....allllll the fking time.

 

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[Spanky99]

I play everyone some in the OF and IF some and every kid sits some. These are 8-9-10 year olds.

 

But I never play the kids who aren't any good at 1B, Pitcher or catcher. Its beyond brutal if you do and they can get hurt. That doesn't mean they don't ask to do it....allllll the fking time.

 

I get asked to coach hockey and baseball, all the time, I won't do it unless I have rep teams or something of that nature. I couldn't handle that man.

[BigCecil]

I get asked to coach hockey and baseball, all the time, I won't do it unless I have rep teams or something of that nature. I couldn't handle that man.

 

Rep team would be much better. I'm hoping to coach our leagues AAA this year. But TBH I don't want to unless my son makes it and he is 7 playing up so I am not sure he will. Big size diff with 10. Maybe he will go all Altuve on them. I'm hopin but whatever. It's all been fun overall.

[Spanky99]

Rep team would be much better. I'm hoping to coach our leagues AAA this year. But TBH I don't want to unless my son makes it and he is 7 playing up so I am not sure he will. Big size diff with 10. Maybe he will go all Altuve on them. I'm hopin but whatever. It's all been fun overall.

 

So don't, move with him, my father did... He was more a door opener and picked up kids with no ride, we had the Ford Econoline van, lol. Same goes for ball, the 1st base coach. Everyone loved him, but down to the nitty gritty we had our coaches.

[Maahfaace]

Rep team would be much better. I'm hoping to coach our leagues AAA this year. But TBH I don't want to unless my son makes it and he is 7 playing up so I am not sure he will. Big size diff with 10. Maybe he will go all Altuve on them. I'm hopin but whatever. It's all been fun overall.

 

You might take some flak from other parents but If you are the coach, wouldnt you decide if he makes the team or not?

[Brownie19]

I had 14 the other night....its stressful!! All asking you questions about where they play....can they play here....can they pitch....can they catch. No matter how many times I tell them.

 

Glad to see I'm not the only one roped into coaching. My son is Jr Rookie age and I said I'd help out when I could. I took 1 look at the 'head coach' and knew I'd have to run everything to avoid a massive gongshow.

[bones10]

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[BigCecil]

You might take some flak from other parents but If you are the coach, wouldnt you decide if he makes the team or not?

 

No. Decision on makes team is a group of 4 independent "evaluators" who score all the kids in a try out fielding, pitching and hitting. The nepotism issue rears it's head from other parents in other areas.

[BigCecil]

Started watching last nite and was mercifully spared by little league. The only element of our team exceeding expectations was our rotation. I never reallly thought that was sustainable. The last 2 starts they have been pulverized. If the offense and D doesn't get going we will be talking about this lost season for a long time.

[KingKat]

Started watching last nite and was mercifully spared by little league. The only element of our team exceeding expectations was our rotation. I never reallly thought that was sustainable. The last 2 starts they have been pulverized. If the offense and D doesn't get going we will be talking about this lost season for a long time.

 

Bautista getting punched might be the lasting image of the season. I sure hope not but we all knew that this was an old team and that all we were hoping for was to hold the window open a little longer. The Estrada and Happ signing have worked out well. They're not aces but they would be winning a lot of games if everything else was the same as last year. Storen has been frustrating but so far it's the Nats who have gotten the worst of that trade. Even the Jay Bruce trade doesn't look bad when you consider the money that was coming back and the extra year on Bruce possibly being worth something if he keeps hitting. Smoak, Pillar and Saunders are doing their job (if somewhat gracelessly in the case of Saunders). Stroman is worse than expected but Sanchez is a lot better so you can really complain about the young starting pitching either. Dickey has hopefully turned the corner. There have been issues with the bullpen but that's being magnified immensely by the lack of run support. Swapping Goins for Travis should help but BJ Birdie help us if we're counting on him of all people to carry the offense. The real fundamental issue is the offensive core. It's like father time decided to really do a number on four of the five core guys right at the same time. If those guys are doing their thing it really makes the rough patches of from the likes of Cecil, Dickey, Colabello and Goins much less of an issue.

[BigCecil]

Bautista getting punched might be the lasting image of the season. I sure hope not but we all knew that this was an old team and that all we were hoping for was to hold the window open a little longer. The Estrada and Happ signing have worked out well. They're not aces but they would be winning a lot of games if everything else was the same as last year. Storen has been frustrating but so far it's the Nats who have gotten the worst of that trade. Even the Jay Bruce trade doesn't look bad when you consider the money that was coming back and the extra year on Bruce possibly being worth something if he keeps hitting. Smoak, Pillar and Saunders are doing their job (if somewhat gracelessly in the case of Saunders). Stroman is worse than expected but Sanchez is a lot better so you can really complain about the young starting pitching either. Dickey has hopefully turned the corner. There have been issues with the bullpen but that's being magnified immensely by the lack of run support. Swapping Goins for Travis should help but BJ Birdie help us if we're counting on him of all people to carry the offense. The real fundamental issue is the offensive core. It's like father time decided to really do a number on four of the five core guys right at the same time. If those guys are doing their thing it really makes the rough patches of from the likes of Cecil, Dickey, Colabello and Goins much less of an issue.

 

Spot on KK. I don't know what catalyst suddenly makes the core play like they have all played in the past igniting us getting hot. Let's face it. At this point we need to play north of. 600 ball the rest of the year to win the Div. Right now we aren't close to that kind of team and if the rotation starts to falter, Ug.

[HERPDERP]

I'm so glad I didn't go all in on season tickets.

[BTS]

This team looks a lot like the over-the-hill teams we saw for years in Chicago, New York (both), Philly etc... before they realized that expensive vets in their mid 30s can't be the foundation of a perennially successful team, especially when you have a mid-tier payroll.

 

That isn't to say that they can't hold off father time for one more season, but the struggling core players are old, and skill decline happens to everyone.

 

I think that the regime change happened just in time. Doubling down on what happened last trade deadline would not have been wise. The supporting cast has been good enough to give the stars a chance to win, and to this point, the stars have looked their age.

[Krylian]

Are we gonna need to wait another 22-23 years for a playoff team? I'll be getting close to my mid-60's by then.

 

Just think about that for a minute. If there's another 20+ year drought. How old will you be? And see if that doesn't leave a skid mark in your panties.

[Statman]

This team looks a lot like the over-the-hill teams we saw for years in Chicago, New York (both), Philly etc... before they realized that expensive vets in their mid 30s can't be the foundation of a perennially successful team, especially when you have a mid-tier payroll.

 

That isn't to say that they can't hold off father time for one more season, but the struggling core players are old, and skill decline happens to everyone.

 

I think that the regime change happened just in time. Doubling down on what happened last trade deadline would not have been wise. The supporting cast has been good enough to give the stars a chance to win, and to this point, the stars have looked their age.

 

I am confident Shapiro and Atkins realize this. I don't see any situation where Bautista and Encarnacion are here next year.

[FrozenRopes]

Last year it was #FYSMC and this year it was JB getting destroyed by a hairy munchkin.

[BTS]

I am confident Shapiro and Atkins realize this. I don't see any situation where Bautista and Encarnacion are here next year.

 

Yeah, as things stand I think most people would put their money on neither being back. It looks like both players will finish with worse seasons than in 2015, there is already some dead money committed to Tulo and Martin, and Donaldson will soon require a big contract. Letting both walk seems like the correct choice right now.

[HERPDERP]

This team looks a lot like the over-the-hill teams we saw for years in Chicago, New York (both), Philly etc... before they realized that expensive vets in their mid 30s can't be the foundation of a perennially successful team, especially when you have a mid-tier payroll.

 

That isn't to say that they can't hold off father time for one more season, but the struggling core players are old, and skill decline happens to everyone.

 

I think that the regime change happened just in time. Doubling down on what happened last trade deadline would not have been wise. The supporting cast has been good enough to give the stars a chance to win, and to this point, the stars have looked their age.

 

I never thought we'd be like the Phillies of the past 5 years.

 

We didn't even get a chance to establish a dynasty!

[glory]

Yep, this looks like a team that realizes their run is over, and is trying to cling to past performance as much as they can. The sad part is, the Jays got exactly two months out of this group. Most of these teams get at least a couple of years before the window closes and they have to rebuild. AA traded 3 season's worth of prospects for two freakin' months.

 

Alex Amaro Jr. left this org at just the right time. He left a hero instead of staying long enough to be the villain. Smart man.

[CHRIS]

Yeah, as things stand I think most people would put their money on neither being back. It looks like both players will finish with worse seasons than in 2015, there is already some dead money committed to Tulo and Martin, and Donaldson will soon require a big contract. Letting both walk seems like the correct choice right now.

 

That's pretty much the only silver lining to this season to-date; Shapiro and Co. can now more easily (in terms of fan perception) make decisions on Bautista/Encarnacion based on a baseball reasons, and not nostalgia reasons.

[GreekFatAss]

To me the silver lining if we keep losing is, it will probably allow us to fetch more immediate future value assets in trading Bautista and Encarnacion and with Stroman-Sanchez in the rotation we could retool on the fly around more pitching.

[BigCecil]

This team looks a lot like the over-the-hill teams we saw for years in Chicago, New York (both), Philly etc... before they realized that expensive vets in their mid 30s can't be the foundation of a perennially successful team, especially when you have a mid-tier payroll.

 

That isn't to say that they can't hold off father time for one more season, but the struggling core players are old, and skill decline happens to everyone.

 

I think that the regime change happened just in time. Doubling down on what happened last trade deadline would not have been wise. The supporting cast has been good enough to give the stars a chance to win, and to this point, the stars have looked their age.

 

Part of Red Sox core isn't that young either. Ortiz, HanRam and Pedrioia are all the same age or older as our core. They are all producing. But they have added to the roster Shaw, Betts, JBJ and Boegarts who are young and outplaying the Jays line up right now.

[Jonn]

Are we gonna need to wait another 22-23 years for a playoff team? I'll be getting close to my mid-60's by then.

 

Just think about that for a minute. If there's another 20+ year drought. How old will you be? And see if that doesn't leave a skid mark in your panties.

 

20 years I will be 46 so pretty much dead and probably bald. Its hard to fathom we will go another 20 years without making the playoffs. We actually have intelligent people in the front office. This might actually be a lost season but it's still early and if we got hot soon everyone will be thinking differently.

[BTS]

Part of Red Sox core isn't that young either. Ortiz, HanRam and Pedrioia are all the same age or older as our core. They are all producing. But they have added to the roster Shaw, Betts, JBJ and Boegarts who are young and outplaying the Jays line up right now.

 

I don't think the Red Sox are set up all that well long-term either. The can outspend Toronto by probably $50M though, which helps.

[KingKat]

Part of Red Sox core isn't that young either. Ortiz, HanRam and Pedrioia are all the same age or older as our core. They are all producing. But they have added to the roster Shaw, Betts, JBJ and Boegarts who are young and outplaying the Jays line up right now.

 

The Sox also just plain have more money and more resources. They have a lot of deadweight like Sandoval, Allen and Castillo but they have tons of money AND lots of young controllable assets.

[dineke]

Are we gonna need to wait another 22-23 years for a playoff team? I'll be getting close to my mid-60's by then.

 

Just think about that for a minute. If there's another 20+ year drought. How old will you be? And see if that doesn't leave a skid mark in your panties.

 

Playoff baseball is pretty stressful anyways. The last 20 years weren't that bad honestly.

[HERPDERP]

I don't think the Red Sox are set up all that well long-term either. The can outspend Toronto by probably $50M though, which helps.

 

The Red Sox are a whole lot better outlook wise. Their entire outfield is controllable. Left side of the infield and catcher is covered well. They only need to address 2B, 1B. And they have an unlimited payroll.

[Governator]

Playoff baseball is pretty stressful anyways. The last 20 years weren't that bad honestly.

 

Looking back, when we were a .500 club I thoroughly enjoy the memory of destroying the Orioles like 30 games in a row over a few seasons or whatever it was. Probably mid 2000s?

[Dick_Pole]

Are we gonna need to wait another 22-23 years for a playoff team? I'll be getting close to my mid-60's by then.

 

Just think about that for a minute. If there's another 20+ year drought. How old will you be? And see if that doesn't leave a skid mark in your panties.

 

5 Playoff spots now. If the second Wild Card spot existed the first one, the Jays would have gotten it in 1998 and would have been close several other years, assuming all else being equal. It's not like the Jays were Pirates bad during the past two decades. 85 wins gives you a serious shot at WC2 unless you have an expansion team or 2003 Tigers in your league. I don't see a situation where the Jays, or any team, can go 20+ years without a playoff spot. Though the Leafs, Oilers and Blue Jackets are definitely challenging that idea given that in the NHL you have a 53% chance of making the playoffs.

[Angrioter]

This team looks a lot like the over-the-hill teams we saw for years in Chicago, New York (both), Philly etc... before they realized that expensive vets in their mid 30s can't be the foundation of a perennially successful team, especially when you have a mid-tier payroll.

 

That isn't to say that they can't hold off father time for one more season, but the struggling core players are old, and skill decline happens to everyone.

 

I think that the regime change happened just in time. Doubling down on what happened last trade deadline would not have been wise. The supporting cast has been good enough to give the stars a chance to win, and to this point, the stars have looked their age.

 

Phillies are better than us.