General 2016 Blue Jays discussion thread

[glory]

I'm more worried about the Jays being saddled with Tulo and Martin for 3-4 more seasons after this one. I've already accepted that Bautista and Edwin are goners after the year (and it's the right call when putting sentiment aside) but Tulo/Martin are going to be hard to move or untradeable so they better improve.

[BigCecil]

I'm more worried about the Jays being saddled with Tulo and Martin for 3-4 more seasons after this one. I've already accepted that Bautista and Edwin are goners after the year (and it's the right call when putting sentiment aside) but Tulo/Martin are going to be hard to move or untradeable so they better improve.

 

For sure. $40+mm/year for negative WAR is crippling unless you have unlimited budget. I just cant see them THIS bad continuing. (I keep saying this and they just don't get hot like I'd expect). Still a long way to go.

[BTS]

I'm more worried about the Jays being saddled with Tulo and Martin for 3-4 more seasons after this one. I've already accepted that Bautista and Edwin are goners after the year (and it's the right call when putting sentiment aside) but Tulo/Martin are going to be hard to move or untradeable so they better improve.

 

That's the story of the season so far. Some nice performances from the support guys, the rotation, and Donaldson have kept them at 0.500. Even the bullpen has been alright, and only has -1 WPA despite the terrible sequencing. The issue has been the four ageing star players. Mid-May and Bautista, Edwin, Tulo, and Martin have combined for 0 fWAR.

[BigCecil]

That's the story of the season so far. Some nice performances from the support guys, the rotation, and Donaldson have kept them at 0.500. Even the bullpen has been alright, and only has -1 WPA despite the terrible sequencing. The issue has been the four ageing star players. Mid-May and Bautista, Edwin, Tulo, and Martin have combined for 0 fWAR.

 

Spot on. Unless they get rolling collectively, Edwin and Jose are writing their own epitaph in TOR and making it easier for Shapiro not to do what he shouldn't anyway. Tulo (and Reyes before him) and Martin 2016 to date are evidence enough of the perils of extending aging expensive players long term.

[Jimcanuck]

No one predicted Tulo would be this bad given his still relatively young age, although the risk was high and why i repeatedly called for him to be traded the past offseason.

 

Long season though, best thing to happen is he gets hot between now and the trade deadline and gets moved.

[RealAccountant]

This team will get hot and get on those 10 straight runs

[TheGrandslamMan]

It's a good team and it's certainly possible, but a lot of people overlook the vast improvements that the O's and Bo-Sox made. The divisions a lot better than it was last year, and the Jays can't just expect to go on another miracle run again.

[bones10]

Orioles are playing above their head though right?

[TheGrandslamMan]

I don't think so. Their rotation has been costing them a lot of games and putting the team in rough situations but the offense and elite level bullpen's been compensating for that particular roster weakness. You consider the talent of guys like Davis, Machado, Trumbo(in the AL East) and Jones and you have a pretty elite core... Not to mention valuable pieces like Hardy and Weiters.

 

I get it. I want the O's to lose as much as anyone here. It makes my blood boil if they beat the Jays, but we can't allow ourselves to be ignorant of the talent that they put on the field. It's a pretty darn good team, and they're a definite threat of ours. Certainly not a club we should dismiss as "trash".

[G-Snarls]

It's a good team and it's certainly possible, but a lot of people overlook the vast improvements that the O's and Bo-Sox made. The divisions a lot better than it was last year, and the Jays can't just expect to go on another miracle run again.

 

Red Sox definitely got better

 

Orioles just maintained where they were really

[BigCecil]

It's a good team and it's certainly possible, but a lot of people overlook the vast improvements that the O's and Bo-Sox made. The divisions a lot better than it was last year, and the Jays can't just expect to go on another miracle run again.

 

4.5 gms back with 125 to go. 2 pretty good teams to climb over. We don't need a miracle run to win the Div but I wouldn't want us to fall any further back. We just need to be what we should be given the track records of the talent on this team. The team that stays healthiest will have the best shot of these 3.

[Governator]

4.5 gms back with 125 to go. 2 pretty good teams to climb over. We don't need a miracle run to win the Div but I wouldn't want us to fall any further back. We just need to be what we should be given the track records of the talent on this team. The team that stays healthiest will have the best shot of these 3.

 

At least this team has won 6 of the last 9. That's about all we can ask for really, I mean I know we should have swept the Giants and taken the Dodgers series but winning 8 of 9 is just not easy in baseball. Gaining round on the O's & Red Sox is going to require winning series against them.

[G-Snarls]

Can't wait for the divisional games coming up

 

Orioles and Sox keep winning too

 

Gotta beat them head to head

[Stangstag]

Why does everyone think the Yankees are out of it? They still have a decent/good offense, solid rotation, and ridiculous bullpen.

[BigCecil]

Why does everyone think the Yankees are out of it? They still have a decent/good offense, solid rotation, and ridiculous bullpen.

 

They aren't. They are a bit on the old side like us. Nobody else has a 40 year old who rakes like Papi. But they do have a lot of talent. Counting them out wouldn't be smart. Rays are no pushover either assuming Archer gets it rolling again.

[HERPDERP]

Why does everyone think the Yankees are out of it? They still have a decent/good offense, solid rotation, and ridiculous bullpen.

 

their offense is badly underperforming, a lot worse than ours.

[KingKat]

They aren't. They are a bit on the old side like us. Nobody else has a 40 year old who rakes like Papi. But they do have a lot of talent. Counting them out wouldn't be smart. Rays are no pushover either assuming Archer gets it rolling again.

 

The Rays need to admit to themselves that they made a mistake tying themselves to LOMO and just let go of that failed experiment.

[BTS]

The Rays need to admit to themselves that they made a mistake tying themselves to LOMO and just let go of that failed experiment.

 

That was so bizarre from the moment it was announced. What did they see in him?

[KingKat]

That was so bizarre from the moment it was announced. What did they see in him?

 

That they saw something in him isn't egregious just the level of commitment. Probably should have been on a MiLB deal or something.

[Cyborg]

That was so bizarre from the moment it was announced. What did they see in him?

 

Same thing we saw in Smoak.

[43211234]

 

 

 

Some good news from Travis. Maybe his rehab stint will be starting.

[jerb]

 

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Shi Davidi Retweeted Devon Travis

 

#BlueJays 2B Devon Travis off to single-A Dunedin to start rehab assignment. Pos players have up to 20 days on rehab

 

Shi Davidi added,

Devon Travis @DeVoTrAv

Finally...lets go!

[Governator]

 

 

 

Some good news from Travis. Maybe his rehab stint will be starting.

 

Yes his rehab starts tonight in Dunedin

[WONDERBAT]

And so our Savior begins his journey back.

[HERPDERP]

You must wonder who they will keep up

 

Ryan Goins who can play 2 positions, who also has a solid glove the whole season

 

or

 

Darwin Barney who can only play 2B and has been average defensively so far

 

or the darkhorse candidate...

 

Andy f***ing Burns (if he gets a chance)

[BigCecil]

 

 

 

Some good news from Travis. Maybe his rehab stint will be starting.

 

Really hope it works out for him and he can make it back to being close to what he was 2015.

 

The way Goins has played, the bar has been set so low I'm sure he is going to be a welcome shot in the arm regardless of who is pitching. His splits were great.

 

Aside from a bit of sloppy D, Barney > Goins.

[Cyborg]

Devo Devo Devo Devo Devo Devo Devo Devo Devo Devo

 

 

Inb4 Gruber complains about the nickname of Devon.

[KingKat]

Really hope it works out for him and he can make it back to being close to what he was 2015.

 

The way Goins has played, the bar has been set so low I'm sure he is going to be a welcome shot in the arm regardless of who is pitching. His splits were great.

 

Aside from a bit of sloppy D, Barney > Goins.

 

Lineup has too many outs in it. It's not Goins's fault that half the lineup is slumping but his spot is the easiest one to upgrade. With everyone else, you're just waiting for positive regression.

[Governator]

You must wonder who they will keep up

 

Ryan Goins who can play 2 positions, who also has a solid glove the whole season

 

or

 

Darwin Barney who can only play 2B and has been average defensively so far

 

or the darkhorse candidate...

 

Andy f***ing Burns (if he gets a chance)

 

 

Having Goins in the line up is like giving a pitcher a bat.

[Terminator]

You must wonder who they will keep up

 

Ryan Goins who can play 2 positions, who also has a solid glove the whole season

 

or

 

Darwin Barney who can only play 2B and has been average defensively so far

 

or the darkhorse candidate...

 

Andy f***ing Burns (if he gets a chance)

 

Barney can't play SS?