Blue Jays 5th Starter: Aaron Sanchez

[Angrioter]

Can't blame the Jays for this, he has looked pretty good the spring, deserves a shot.

 

...but hw suxx as a Starter

[Angrioter]

MARCO ESTRADA LIKELY TO START SEASON ON DL

With a fair amount of off days to start the season, the Blue Jays plan to place Marco Estrada on the DL with back issues and start the season with a four-man rotation.

 

 

 

Delabar, lucky bastard!!

[Jimcanuck]

Gregor Chisholm

Gibbons: "We put our heads together and came up with this decision ... wasn't like it was totally mine. But it turned out the way I wanted."

 

Confirmed: Gibbons hates Floyd; prejudice.

 

Nah, not prejudice. Sanchez is under control and has high upside. They would rather see how much upside rather than have Floyd, a FA at end of the year, get the starts. Floyd was intended to be depth from the minute he was signed.

[glory]

Floyd hasn't been an effective starter in a long time, is old, and has had his elbow shatter twice. I'm not sure why you think he can be an effective starter.

 

Let alone, the guy is a FA and we have no reason to have any goodwill towards him.

 

I will make sure to source you in my footnotes.

 

He was effective in 2014. Only 9 starts but he got hurt. It wasn't performance related.

 

Why couldn't they start Sanchez in AAA and call him up if/when Floyd got hurt? Now they have pretty much eliminated Floyd as a rotation option (stretching him out again after a bullpen stint might be tough given his injury history) and if Sanchez's spring performance was a mirage, then you lost a capable rotation piece for no reason.

 

I don't mind starting Sanchez. I'm not a big fan of his but might as well try him there with the pen in good shape without him. I just question why he had to be in the big league rotation. Other than his 20 spring innings, what has he done to earn it? That bulking bro diet in the offseason isn't going to magically change his control issues. They better hope the spring command is sustainable.

[Angrioter]

Nah, not prejudice. Sanchez is under control and has high upside. They would rather see how much upside rather than have Floyd, a FA at end of the year, get the starts. Floyd was intended to be depth from the minute he was signed.

 

but the promise to Ron Shapiro?

[burlingtonbandit]

He was effective in 2014. Only 9 starts but he got hurt. It wasn't performance related.

 

Why couldn't they start Sanchez in AAA and call him up if/when Floyd got hurt? Now they have pretty much eliminated Floyd as a rotation option (stretching him out again after a bullpen stint might be tough given his injury history) and if Sanchez's spring performance was a mirage, then you lost a capable rotation piece for no reason.

 

I don't mind starting Sanchez. I'm not a big fan of his but might as well try him there with the pen in good shape without him. I just question why he had to be in the big league rotation. Other than his 20 spring innings, what has he done to earn it? That bulking bro diet in the offseason isn't going to magically change his control issues. They better hope the spring command is sustainable.

 

You ask why?

 

To give the team the best chance to win. The org. felt the team is better with Sanchez in the rotation and Floyd in the pen than Floyd starting and Sanchez in AAA.

[Jimcanuck]

He was effective in 2014. Only 9 starts but he got hurt. It wasn't performance related.

 

Why couldn't they start Sanchez in AAA and call him up if/when Floyd got hurt? Now they have pretty much eliminated Floyd as a rotation option (stretching him out again after a bullpen stint might be tough given his injury history) and if Sanchez's spring performance was a mirage, then you lost a capable rotation piece for no reason.

 

I don't mind starting Sanchez. I'm not a big fan of his but might as well try him there with the pen in good shape without him. I just question why he had to be in the big league rotation. Other than his 20 spring innings, what has he done to earn it? That bulking bro diet in the offseason isn't going to magically change his control issues. They better hope the spring command is sustainable.

 

Excellent out of the 'pen, excellent spring, improved stuff, under control, high upside, some promising starts in 2015.

[BigCecil]

Why does everyone listen to Gibbons? First Valencia gets DFA'ed for him, and now they f*** over Floyd instead of using Sanchez's options to the team's advantage. Could have let Floyd's arm fall off as a SP before putting him the pen/replacing him with Sanchez later on.

 

Maybe Floyd can be our Joe Blanton now.

 

I was hoping Floyd would get it too. On Valencia, AA told a good friend of mine he led the Valencia decision. I didn't believe the "bad in the clubhouse" thing either, but AA told him face to face over dinner that the guy was all about the dough 24/7 and he got cancerous. So they kept Cola who was just happy to be in MLB.

[glory]

You ask why?

 

To give the team the best chance to win. The org. felt the team is better with Sanchez in the rotation and Floyd in the pen than Floyd starting and Sanchez in AAA.

 

Floyd has been a good starter his whole career. Sanchez has struggled as a starter but been a good reliever.

 

So they felt Floyd in the pen and Sanchez in the rotation gave them the best chance to win short-term. Does that not seem odd?

 

Look, I hope Sanchez becomes an ace and have no issues with trying to develop him as a starter. Just don't get the logic here. They have frickin options, use them. They did with Hutch.

[burlingtonbandit]

Floyd has been a good starter his whole career. Sanchez has struggled as a starter but been a good reliever.

 

So they felt Floyd in the pen and Sanchez in the rotation gave them the best chance to win short-term. Does that not seem odd?

 

Look, I hope Sanchez becomes an ace and have no issues with trying to develop him as a starter. Just don't get the logic here. They have frickin options, use them. They did with Hutch.

 

A player's performance level doesn't always remain static. There is a good chance Sanchez has improved since last year and that Floyd is a really good reliever. In terms of long term outlook this move makes a ton of sense as well since the Jays control Sanchez for 5 years. Its about balancing short term/long term and if Sanchez shows he can be a mid rotational starter that is worth tens of millions of dollars more than him as a reliever. Floyd is a FA next year.

 

And if Sanchez fails as a starter you can always throw him back in the pen and say it didn't work but at least we tried.

[saskjayfan]

I was hoping Floyd would get it too. On Valencia, AA told a good friend of mine he led the Valencia decision. I didn't believe the "bad in the clubhouse" thing either, but AA told him face to face over dinner that the guy was all about the dough 24/7 and he got cancerous. So they kept Cola who was just happy to be in MLB.

 

Cola may be a fringe player, but he's a silver slugger when it comes to personality. Everyone seems to like him. His ability to speak almost flawless spanish certainly doesn't hurt either.

[saskjayfan]

Floyd has been a good starter his whole career. Sanchez has struggled as a starter but been a good reliever.

 

So they felt Floyd in the pen and Sanchez in the rotation gave them the best chance to win short-term. Does that not seem odd?

 

Look, I hope Sanchez becomes an ace and have no issues with trying to develop him as a starter. Just don't get the logic here. They have frickin options, use them. They did with Hutch.

 

maybe the fact that flloyd was a quality starter prior to his elbow blowing up twice had something to do with it.

[flafson]

I bet Hutchison is thrilled to be sent down to Buffalo to work with Jimenez.

 

 

Yea, next time he's going to lay flat on his stomach like it's a grenade.

[Brownie19]

You ask why?

 

To give the team the best chance to win. The org. felt the team is better with Sanchez in the rotation and Floyd in the pen than Floyd starting and Sanchez in AAA.

 

I'm not sure this is true. Maybe it does for April, but not necessarily over the entire season.

 

It's already been reported Sanchez won't be in the rotation all year due to an innings limit and will move to the pen at some point. If we assume he's going to make 20 starts, that means we have 10-12 more to be made by someone else. Floyd is healthy right now, pitching well and could make those starts in April/May. The chances of him making those 10-12 starts in August/Sept are very slim IMO. First he has to avoid injury and second, he'd have to accept a demotion to AAA to get stretched out.

 

Is the pitcher who's going to make 10-12 starts in Aug/Sept. going to be better than April/May Floyd or not? Who knows. We have Chavez & Hutch - but by Aug/Sept, they may already be in the rotation (given teams typically need 8-10 starter per season). I guess time will tell - but people saying "it's the only logical solution" are dumb.

[Brownie19]

I bet Hutchison is thrilled to be sent down to Buffalo to work with Jimenez.

 

 

Jesus - I never saw that highlight (I got to watch darts instead). Is Hutch going to be in the AAA DL list with a concussion? Get that man one of those form hat/helmet things!

[burlingtonbandit]

I'm not sure this is true. Maybe it does for April, but not necessarily over the entire season.

 

It's already been reported Sanchez won't be in the rotation all year due to an innings limit and will move to the pen at some point. If we assume he's going to make 20 starts, that means we have 10-12 more to be made by someone else. Floyd is healthy right now and pitching well and make those starts in April/May. The chances of him making those 10-12 starts in August/Sept are very slim IMO. First he has to avoid injury and second, he'd have to accept a demotion to AAA to get stretched out.

 

Is the pitcher who's going to make 10-12 starts in Aug/Sept. going to be better than April/May Floyd or not? Who knows. We have Chavez & Hutch - but by Aug/Sept, they may already be in the rotation (given teams typically need 8-10 starter per season). I guess time will tell - but people saying "it's the only logical solution" are dumb.

 

Like you just said you don't know what is going to happen over the entire season, so why would you not bring your best team north for April? Trying to guess who will make starts in August seems like a useless exercise right now. If Sanchez excels and stays healthy he may just start the entire season. Personally, I don't think the FO will make inning limits a thing.

[Pendleton]

I bet Hutchison is thrilled to be sent down to Buffalo to work with Jimenez.

 

 

Somewhere there's an old school baseball guy who likes that play by Jimenez because a good catcher always keep his pitchers honest or some crap like that.

[Brownie19]

Personally, I don't think the FO will make inning limits a thing.

 

We know you think inning limits are stupid, but you have no idea what the FO will do. Regardless of whether they cap his innings to theoretically help prevent injury, it's not too difficult to accept that Sanchez may simply tire out the first time he's asked to make 32-34 starts at the major league level. I think it's extremely unrealistic to think he'll make 30 starts this year.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with your approach - I'm just saying there's a debate there. Right now we have 8 options to start. If we put Floyd in the pen, I think we inevitably lose him as a starting option, which puts us at 7. I'm not sure that's a great idea. You can argue the "worry about today" approach - but reality is - the MLB season is a war, not a battle.

[canadiansportsjunkie]

Deserves the chance. I like the move.

[jaysfan2014]

Don't forget, AJ Jimenez is out of options and not guaranteed to make it back to Buffalo. Some teams, like Houston, are looking for backup catcher depth right now..

[43211234]

Honestly the Jimenez throw wasn't even that bad. It probably would've one-hopped to the bag and been on-line.

 

Hutch didn't get that low and was in the middle of the mound.

[Sammy225]

Honestly the Jimenez throw wasn't even that bad. It probably would've one-hopped to the bag and been on-line.

 

Hutch didn't get that low and was in the middle of the mound.

 

I thought it would have been a one hopper dart which is better then a high throw...

[Atothe]

This might not end well. I say they give Floyd all the rope he needs to start while Sanchez goes down to start. When Floyd gets hurt, call up Sanchez. This way their control/skip Sanchez's starts.

[burlingtonbandit]

We know you think inning limits are stupid, but you have no idea what the FO will do. Regardless of whether they cap his innings to theoretically help prevent injury, it's not too difficult to accept that Sanchez may simply tire out the first time he's asked to make 32-34 starts at the major league level. I think it's extremely unrealistic to think he'll make 30 starts this year.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with your approach - I'm just saying there's a debate there. Right now we have 8 options to start. If we put Floyd in the pen, I think we inevitably lose him as a starting option, which puts us at 7. I'm not sure that's a great idea. You can argue the "worry about today" approach - but reality is - the MLB season is a war, not a battle.

 

If the FO believed in the workload inning limits theory Stroman would be on one as well wouldn't you think? I just think Gibby was dumbing it down in the press conference

 

I would say him making 30 starts is very unlikely as well but I don't see that impacting the decision to start him in the rotation. If Sanchez goes to the bullpen you lose him as a starting option as well? So your "8 starters" go to 7 just like it would if Floyd was starting.

[Sammy225]

This is my concern. Lets say Sanchez has figured something out and is going to be a solid 2-3 type pitcher. Is it not better for him to skip starts early so he is there when you need him later on.

 

Not a huge concern for me because i don't believe the first part of what i said but the fun thing about baseball is anything is possible. So i would like to see him get skipped in the first 2 - 3 months so they don't have to sit him later on if he proves valuable.

[G-Snarls]

Somewhere there's an old school baseball guy who likes that play by Jimenez because a good catcher always keep his pitchers honest or some crap like that.

 

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[burlingtonbandit]

This is my concern. Lets say Sanchez has figured something out and is going to be a solid 2-3 type pitcher. Is it not better for him to skip starts early so he is there when you need him later on.

 

Not a huge concern for me because i don't believe the first part of what i said but the fun thing about baseball is anything is possible. So i would like to see him get skipped in the first 2 - 3 months so they don't have to sit him later on if he proves valuable.

 

You can manage it like they did Hutch in 2014. Give him an extra day of rest here and there if he looks fatigued. If Sanchez is pitching like a number 3 starter in August during a pennant race and isn't showing signs of slowing down they aren't just going to throw him in the pen.

[flafson]

Honestly the Jimenez throw wasn't even that bad. It probably would've one-hopped to the bag and been on-line.

 

Hutch didn't get that low and was in the middle of the mound.

 

It hit him almost neck high, he would need to lay flat on his stomach to avoid it.

[Governator]

Don't forget, AJ Jimenez is out of options and not guaranteed to make it back to Buffalo. Some teams, like Houston, are looking for backup catcher depth right now..

 

He's left a quite the impression.

[G-Snarls]

LOL @ "It gives you guys too much red meat”