Dalton Pompey sent to minor league camp

[Grant77]

He already has 88 service time days, so they don't need to manipulate him at all to avoid super 2. He would avoid it even if he broke camp with the team.

 

For other readers, teams can avoid super 2 by limiting a player to less than ~130 days in their first season. Players who have less than 3.000 years of service time in an offseason (and therefore don't qualify for arb1) but more than ~2.130 (changes each year) qualify for super 2 and thus early arbitration.

 

examples:

 

Kris Bryant was kept down just long enough to make sure that he only got 171 days in year 1. He will be a super 2 player but the Cubs gamed an extra year of control out of him. I believe his agent has grieved this. The Cubs received an extra year of Kris Bryant, but they will pay for it in a somewhat hefty 4th arbitration year.

Carlos Correa was called up in June and therefore got 119 days of service time in year 1. He won't be a super 2 player, and the Astros effectively received 119 "extra" days of Correa.

 

--> with the Astros actually making a playoff run, the value that they milked from Carlos Correa is immense.

 

I'm not sure what I was thinking, thought his service time was much higher. My father just got diagnosed with leukemia, so I'm really scatterbrained the last few days and trying to keep my mind off of it.

[Dick_Pole]

think I'm in the minority. I am not in favour of this. Dalton as a 4th OF will get a ton of playing time.

 

Our LF and RF' ers have a history of missing time in the OF. Pillar is going to get hurt at some point with his aggressive style likely.

 

Dalton is > Lake, Brown, Italian. + D, + speed, switch hitter.

 

I know he has options and others don't but this is a "win" year and we are going to get more of Dalton that anyone else.

 

Neither was I but I know in about a month when Saunders goes down for the season Pompey will be back up starting.

[Stangstag]

Way I see it... Saunders WILL get injured at some point. When that happens, Pompey will get the everyday LF job. Until then, he will get regular at bats in AAA to keep him ready.

[Angrioter]

I'm not sure what I was thinking, thought his service time was much higher. My father just got diagnosed with leukemia, so I'm really scatterbrained the last few days and trying to keep my mind off of it.

Be strong through the process brother, he'll need you. Your father is in my prayers now.

[TheHurl]

I'm not sure what I was thinking, thought his service time was much higher. My father just got diagnosed with leukemia, so I'm really scatterbrained the last few days and trying to keep my mind off of it.

 

Sorry to hear that Grant

[BTS]

I'm not sure what I was thinking, thought his service time was much higher. My father just got diagnosed with leukemia, so I'm really scatterbrained the last few days and trying to keep my mind off of it.

 

Damn that sucks. All the best man.

[Grant77]

Thanks everyone. We're headed out of town for chemo in a day or two, I'll keep you all updated.

[jaysblue]

I really hope Carrera gets claimed by some NL team and I never see him on my TV again.

 

He hit that huge HR in Seattle last summer though. Give the guy some respect!

[jaysblue]

Thanks everyone. We're headed out of town for chemo in a day or two, I'll keep you all updated.

 

Sorry to hear Grant. I'll keep your father in my prayers. Stay strong.

[fireballW]

Damn that sucks. All the best man.

 

Sorry man. Hope for the best for your Dad.

[Atothe]

Wish your dad the best Grant

[BigCecil]

I'm not sure what I was thinking, thought his service time was much higher. My father just got diagnosed with leukemia, so I'm really scatterbrained the last few days and trying to keep my mind off of it.

 

Very sorry to hear that. Hope he can beat it into remission. Lost my Dad in 95 and still think about him every day.

[BigCecil]

I don't think it's clearly a service time rationale because I'm not sure that Pompey is necessarily good enough to warrant that type of manipulation. There could be other decent arguments for sending him out. Since they'd have to keep him down until July to gain that "year" of control, it's hard to do too.

 

But I don't think it matters. If there are OF issues early on then they can just call him up, right?

 

Pompey crushed A+ in 2014 (150 wRC+), crushed AA in 2015 (175 wRC+), and although he hit well in AAA in 2014 (137 wRC+) he has had major issues translating his pop to AAA. Sending him out could simply be a developmental decision.

 

Fair point. Siddal said that Shapiro told him he thought that Pompey was brought along too fast through the system. Either way I think we will be seeing him again before too long. Even if he has developmental issues he is still probably > than the other options.

 

Still kind of hard to fathom for 20 gms he was starting CF 2015.

[BTS]

think I'm in the minority. I am not in favour of this. Dalton as a 4th OF will get a ton of playing time.

 

Our LF and RF' ers have a history of missing time in the OF. Pillar is going to get hurt at some point with his aggressive style likely.

 

Dalton is > Lake, Brown, Italian. + D, + speed, switch hitter.

 

I know he has options and others don't but this is a "win" year and we are going to get more of Dalton that anyone else.

 

I'll be in this boat if it's Lake or Brown who get the spot. I think the probable outcome for both is replacement level or a bit worse, and think Pompey is likely a better player. Ceciliani is interesting though. He has the skill set you want from a 4th OF, and there is evidence of some offensive upside. He might be a good player. He might be a better player than Pompey. Keeping him to start the season is acceptable to me because;

 

A) there's a strong argument to be made that you're not giving anything away in terms of wins

we get to see what we have in the 25-year old

C) we might be able to gain a year of control on Pompey

[Grant77]

Some out of options names to keep an eye on: Jimmy Paredes, Rymer Liriano, Oswaldo Arcia

[Spanky99]

I'm not sure what I was thinking, thought his service time was much higher. My father just got diagnosed with leukemia, so I'm really scatterbrained the last few days and trying to keep my mind off of it.

 

Sorry to hear, man. My thoughts go out to you and your family.

[Nafro]

I'm not sure what I was thinking, thought his service time was much higher. My father just got diagnosed with leukemia, so I'm really scatterbrained the last few days and trying to keep my mind off of it.

 

People beat that s*** every day. Stay positive, cliche's are also the most truthful statements you can make. With chemo, you gotta get sick to get better. Believe that he's going to be okay, and he will.

[Grant77]

People beat that s*** every day. Stay positive, cliche's are also the most truthful statements you can make. With chemo, you gotta get sick to get better. Believe that he's going to be okay, and he will.

 

Thanks for the kind words. My dad is the most stubborn person I know, so I'm staying positive. It's just hard to sleep, that's why I'm still up

[intentional wok]

Thanks for the kind words. My dad is the most stubborn person I know, so I'm staying positive. It's just hard to sleep, that's why I'm still up

 

All the best, buddy. Keep your head up.

[BigCecil]

Ceciliani might be +D, +speed and not be terrible against RHP himself.

 

It's possible we get more out of Pompey but would it be THAT much more? Rather Pompey be getting everyday ABs in the minors for when Saunders is out for the year (and he can come up and play full-time) or for next season.

 

NJH and BTS made some good points I hadn't been considering enough. If its a Ceciliani gamble I can see the argument for it better now.

 

I don't know what the war value delta will be with Pompey and Ceciliani. Nobody does.

 

The 4th OF will likely get lots of playing time and if Ceciliani flounders, I don't want to waste time f***ing around in a win year. Bring Pompey up.

[KingKat]

NJH and BTS made some good points I hadn't been considering enough. If its a Ceciliani gamble I can see the argument for it better now.

 

I don't know what the war value delta will be with Pompey and Ceciliani. Nobody does.

 

The 4th OF will likely get lots of playing time and if Ceciliani flounders, I don't want to waste time f***ing around in a win year. Bring Pompey up.

 

Lake and Zeke don't have options so if you run with either Ceciliani or Pompey, the other automatically becomes the Plan B. That being said, there are probably some better out of options outfielders out there facing roster crunches of their own. There might be a scenario where both you can use both options without resorting to a pukey 4th OF.

[Laika]

Lake and Zeke don't have options so if you run with either Ceciliani or Pompey, the other automatically becomes the Plan B. That being said, there are probably some better out of options outfielders out there facing roster crunches of their own. There might be a scenario where both you can use both options without resorting to a pukey 4th OF.

 

Yeah, top of the scrap heap is probably just as good as Zeke or Lake.

 

Junior Lake is so bad at hitting baseballs that it's scary. From 2013-2015, minimum 600 PA, he has the worst SwStr% in the major by 1.5 full percentage points.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=600&type=5&season=2015&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=8,a

 

The guy makes less contact than Zunino, Howard, Josh Hamilton and Chris Carter!!! And he's not a power hitter!

 

Zeke I guess performed somewhat admirably last year but he is kind of the quintessence of replacement level.

[KingKat]

Yeah, top of the scrap heap is probably just as good as Zeke or Lake.

 

Junior Lake is so bad at hitting baseballs that it's scary. From 2013-2015, minimum 600 PA, he has the worst SwStr% in the major by 1.5 full percentage points.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=600&type=5&season=2015&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=8,a

 

The guy makes less contact than Zunino, Howard, Josh Hamilton and Chris Carter!!! And he's not a power hitter!

 

Zeke I guess performed somewhat admirably last year but he is kind of the quintessence of replacement level.

 

Zeke was a guy who I was excited to see the team acquire last year but he's one of those players who looks so much worse in real life than on paper.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah, top of the scrap heap is probably just as good as Zeke or Lake.

 

Junior Lake is so bad at hitting baseballs that it's scary. From 2013-2015, minimum 600 PA, he has the worst SwStr% in the major by 1.5 full percentage points.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=600&type=5&season=2015&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=8,a

 

The guy makes less contact than Zunino, Howard, Josh Hamilton and Chris Carter!!! And he's not a power hitter!

 

Zeke I guess performed somewhat admirably last year but he is kind of the quintessence of replacement level.

 

If Lake is on the team to have some sort of a platoon with Saunders then its not so bad and you could make the case he should be on the team. He's been above average vs LHP in his career although the BABIP is a high. His minor league strikeout numbers aren't bad at all either so there is some upside there.

 

My guess is Lake makes the team to start and if he's bad they replace him with Ceciliani.

[KingKat]

If Lake is on the team to have some sort of a platoon with Saunders then its not so bad and you could make the case he should be on the team. He's been above average vs LHP in his career although the BABIP is a high. His minor league strikeout numbers aren't bad at all either so there is some upside there.

 

My guess is Lake makes the team to start and if he's bad they replace him with Ceciliani.

 

Lake has been a positive base runner for his career. Could be a decent pinch runner but he's not a good backup outfielder. Probably better suited to a 5th OF role than a 4th but I don't see the team rolling with two guys.

[Laika]

"above average vs LHP" doesn't qualify someone to be a corner outfield platoon player. Need to be a lot better than that.

 

More importantly, if you regress Lake's platoon split and centre it over his projections, he probably doesn't even project to be above average vs LHP.

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah I think OF defense should be a big factor. If Cecilliani was Right Handed I think he would win it easily but being LH isn't the greatest fit with Saunders being the one he would take the most playing time away from.

[BigCecil]

Lake has been a positive base runner for his career. Could be a decent pinch runner but he's not a good backup outfielder. Probably better suited to a 5th OF role than a 4th but I don't see the team rolling with two guys.

 

I'm ok with Pompey or Ceciliani as 4th OF. Its actually a pretty important decision who stays. There will be injuries.

 

Saunders is so unlucky Vegas has opened up a line on what date Pillar's nose will put him on the DL.

[Maahfaace]

I'm ok with Pompey or Ceciliani as 4th OF. Its actually a pretty important decision who stays. There will be injuries.

 

Saunders is so unlucky Vegas has opened up a line on what date Pillar's nose will put him on the DL.

 

Chin*

[Krylian]

Chin*

 

Chin was last year. The nose will strike in 2016.