Ten years of Shapiro draft picks as a GM

[admin]

With all the Shapiro love, let's look at his picks as a GM from 2001-2010.

 

Out of all his draft picks in ten years, unless I missed some, here are his best picks:

 

Chris Archer

Jason Kipnis

Drew Pomeranz

Cody Allen

Jeremy Guthrie

Luke Scott

Kevin Kouzmanoff

 

Have I missed anyone else?

 

Here is what AA drafted in his first three years alone. That includes 2012, where we still don't even know what some of the other guys will turn into. His highest draft is #11 overall, then #17 overall.

 

Noah Syndergaard

Marcus Stroman

Aaron Sanchez

Daniel Norris

Kevin Pillar

Anthony DeSclafani

Sam Dyson

Dalton Pompey

Alford

 

In ten years Shapiro drafted four above average players.

[Krylian]

I beyond the 1st round (and even then), I don't know how much you can blame Shapiro. The scouts are the ones that are out there checking these guys out. Shapiro, I'm assuming, would rely heavily on their input. I think his scouts are more to blame than him.

 

That said, I think he should re-evaluate how he evaulates his scouts and what he looks for in a scout. Clearly, the draft record is not so hot.

[Ehjays]

With all the Shapiro love, let's look at his picks as a GM from 2001-2010.

 

Out of all his draft picks in ten years, unless I missed some, here are his best picks:

 

Chris Archer

Jason Kipnis

Drew Pomeranz

Cody Allen

Jeremy Guthrie

Luke Scott

Kevin Kouzmanoff

 

Have I missed anyone else?

 

Here is what AA drafted in his first three years alone. That includes 2012, where we still don't even know what some of the other guys will turn into. His highest draft is #11 overall, then #17 overall.

 

Noah Syndergaard

Marcus Stroman

Aaron Sanchez

Daniel Norris

Kevin Pillar

Anthony DeSclafani

Sam Dyson

Dalton Pompey

Alford

 

In ten years Shapiro drafted four above average players.

 

I dont think you should be allowed to have Sam Dyson in a list to work to his credit cause he outright released him a few years later. Basically gave up.

[Krylian]

I dont think you should be allowed to have Sam Dyson in a list to work to his credit cause he outright released him a few years later. Basically gave up.

 

Sure you can. The talent was identified and they were able to get him and get him signed. What happens after that is valid, but a different conversation.

[Laika]

Draft budgets would be a big part of it.

[RealAccountant]

Butzzzz he lookzzzz at Fangraphs!!

[Dr. Dinger]

Shapiro isn't our GM, though.

[TheHurl]

With all the Shapiro love, let's look at his picks as a GM from 2001-2010.

 

Out of all his draft picks in ten years, unless I missed some, here are his best picks:

 

Chris Archer

Jason Kipnis

Drew Pomeranz

Cody Allen

Jeremy Guthrie

Luke Scott

Kevin Kouzmanoff

 

Have I missed anyone else?

 

Here is what AA drafted in his first three years alone. That includes 2012, where we still don't even know what some of the other guys will turn into. His highest draft is #11 overall, then #17 overall.

 

Noah Syndergaard

Marcus Stroman

Aaron Sanchez

Daniel Norris

Kevin Pillar

Anthony DeSclafani

Sam Dyson

Dalton Pompey

Alford

 

In ten years Shapiro drafted four above average players.

 

Chisenhall

 

I'd say that with a bad draft history (and most saber friendly/cost efficient organizations really do have bad draft histories) it's more impressive that he had four 90 win seasons. So no draftees, no free top tier free agents...the systems must work

[admin]

Draft budgets would be a big part of it.

 

Do you know if he changed anything since being promoted from GM?

 

I beyond the 1st round (and even then), I don't know how much you can blame Shapiro. The scouts are the ones that are out there checking these guys out. Shapiro, I'm assuming, would rely heavily on their input. I think his scouts are more to blame than him.

 

That said, I think he should re-evaluate how he evaulates his scouts and what he looks for in a scout. Clearly, the draft record is not so hot.

 

I agree but in the end he's making the final decisions.

[Nafro]

Since Shapiro is our President, can we look at the picks the Indians made when he had a similar roll with them.

 

Francisco Lindor

Tyler Naquin

Bradley Zimmer

Clint Frazier

Justus Sheffield

Brady Aiken

 

It seems to me that's a pretty sic list.

[Sammy225]

Since Shapiro is our President, can we look at the picks the Indians made when he had a similar roll with them.

 

Francisco Lindor

Tyler Naquin

Bradley Zimmer

Clint Frazier

Justus Sheffield

Brady Aiken

 

It seems to me that's a pretty sic list.

 

Clint Frazier is going to be a good ball player

[BTS]

Please do the following things:

 

1. Take a look at the Indians roster.

2. Note the players that were drafted by them, signed as international free agents, or acquired as prospects and developed by them.

3. Realize that Cleveland's development under Shapiro was pretty much elite.

4. Stop complaining about nothing.

Edited January 14, 2016 by BTS

[Cyborg]

GMs also don't draft (for the most part).

[Brownie19]

Everyone complains about Syndergaard & TDA for Dickey........what about Archer for Mark DeRosa....peeeeeee-u

[Brownie19]

With all the Shapiro love, let's look at his picks as a GM from 2001-2010.

 

Out of all his draft picks in ten years, unless I missed some, here are his best picks:

 

Chris Archer

Jason Kipnis

Drew Pomeranz

Cody Allen

Jeremy Guthrie

Luke Scott

Kevin Kouzmanoff

 

Have I missed anyone else?

 

Here is what AA drafted in his first three years alone. That includes 2012, where we still don't even know what some of the other guys will turn into. His highest draft is #11 overall, then #17 overall.

 

Noah Syndergaard

Marcus Stroman

Aaron Sanchez

Daniel Norris

Kevin Pillar

Anthony DeSclafani

Sam Dyson

Dalton Pompey

Alford

 

In ten years Shapiro drafted four above average players.

 

The guys I've bolded are nothing at this point. There's a very good chance Shapiro drafted similar guys who never became ML ballplayers; however, since you didn't follow the Cleveland system like you do the Jays - you've omitted them from the list. If you exclude those guys from AA's list - it's not nearly as impressive.

[flafson]

The guys I've bolded are nothing at this point. There's a very good chance Shapiro drafted similar guys who never became ML ballplayers; however, since you didn't follow the Cleveland system like you do the Jays - you've omitted them from the list. If you exclude those guys from AA's list - it's not nearly as impressive.

 

You can't really argue that Sanchez is nothing. Like him or not he's at least a decent MLB player.

For a player to reach the majors is a feat by itself, let alone stay there on a fairly consistent basis. I'm sure we all can agree that Sanchez is likely to be on the 25 men roster this season which IMO doesn't make him nothing.

[The Cats Ass]

Draft budgets would be a big part of it.

 

And scouting department. I imagine Shapiro would have done next to no scouting personally. He would have relied heavily on what the head scouting director and his minions would of recommended.

[The Cats Ass]

Everyone complains about Syndergaard & TDA for Dickey........what about Archer for Mark DeRosa....peeeeeee-u

 

Archer had huge control problems at the time. He'd be similar to Aaron Sanchez.

[Boxcar]

Lol juiced

[Laika]

And scouting department. I imagine Shapiro would have done next to no scouting personally. He would have relied heavily on what the head scouting director and his minions would of recommended.

 

Of course. The GM basically just hires the people to do this stuff. He might have the final OK on very high draft picks.

[Frenchsoup]

The guys I've bolded are nothing at this point. There's a very good chance Shapiro drafted similar guys who never became ML ballplayers; however, since you didn't follow the Cleveland system like you do the Jays - you've omitted them from the list. If you exclude those guys from AA's list - it's not nearly as impressive.

 

Wrong, they all have value on the trade market.

[glory]

Please do the following things:

 

1. Take a look at the Indians roster.

2. Note the players that were drafted by them, signed as international free agents, or acquired as prospects and developed by them.

3. Realize that criticizing Cleveland's development under Shapiro was pretty much elite.

4. Stop complaining about nothing.

 

Exactly. You don't have to draft every player you develop. Kluber, Carrasco, and Bauer (among others) were essentially prospects when they were acquired. They turned into what they are now in the Indians org.

 

As the Jays have proven, you can have great scouts who make great picks but those players may not be developed properly or traded. The key is being able to identify talent, acquire it, and then put them in the best position to pan out. Drafting it would be the best way but it's not the only way.

[GD]

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[Brownie19]

Wrong, they all have value on the trade market.

 

OK - and so might have a ton of other prospects that Shapiro drafted (which weren't included on the original list posted as they turned into busts).

[Frenchsoup]

OK - and so might have a ton of other prospects that Shapiro drafted (which weren't included on the original list posted as they turned into busts).

 

Shapiro keeps all his specs, he doesn't know when to trade them because he's not good at evaluating talent.

[Nafro]

Shapiro keeps all his specs, he doesn't know when to trade them because he's not good at evaluating talent.

 

I'm pretty certain that is a ridiculous statement.

[Frenchsoup]

I'm pretty certain that is a ridiculous statement.

 

Does he not keep all his specs?

[crazy47larry]

Does he not keep all his specs?

 

all of his, and other teams' too!

like kluber, carrasco and bauer to name a few.

AA liked scouting, there he had a clue,

but more to team winning than picking teenagers who arent poo.

 

development shapiro says, thats the key to success.

soon u will come around when we are better than the rest.

Edited January 14, 2016 by crazy47larry
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[BTS]

Does he not keep all his specs?

 

Cleveland rarely traded from their prospect pool. Similarly, teams like TB and St. Louis rarely trade from their prospect pools. Trying to win consistently under significant payroll restraints requires a constant influx of cheap wins.

[Frenchsoup]

Cleveland rarely traded from their prospect pool. Similarly, teams like TB and St. Louis rarely trade from their prospect pools. Trying to win consistently under significant payroll restraints requires a constant influx of cheap wins.

 

Does that seem smart though? You think/know a guy will bust, why not trade him for something you like?