My Theory on Why the Jays Are So Quiet Right Now

[theweave]

Has anyone else wondered why the Jays are so quiet right now, while it seems that "every other team" is making moves?

 

Well this is just a theory but I am thinking that if you take the contracts of the players who are signed through next season and add them up and subtract from the projected payroll for this year, maybe the number is getting close to where the budget is set for. Therefore, maybe the Jays are waiting to see who gets how much in arbitration before making more moves.

 

This would make sense because there are a number of them eligible this year. We know Donaldson is getting a huge raise that will take up payroll. Cecil might as well.

 

This is not meant to set off a debate about ownership being cheap. We all know there is a budget, so more money is not the point for my posting.

 

What do you think?

[King]

Has anyone else wondered why the Jays are so quiet right now, while it seems that "every other team" is making moves?

 

Well this is just a theory but I am thinking that if you take the contracts of the players who are signed through next season and add them up and subtract from the projected payroll for this year, maybe the number is getting close to where the budget is set for. Therefore, maybe the Jays are waiting to see who gets how much in arbitration before making more moves.

 

This would make sense because there are a number of them eligible this year. We know Donaldson is getting a huge raise that will take up payroll. Cecil might as well.

 

This is not meant to set off a debate about ownership being cheap. We all know there is a budget, so more money is not the point for my posting.

 

What do you think?

 

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tim-and-eric-mind-blown.gif

 

Welcome to the board, btw!

[theweave]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tim-and-eric-mind-blown.gif

 

Welcome to the board, btw!

 

Thanks for the welcome but the photo has me wondering if you agree or disagee?? It's late forgive me!

[Nafro]

I think they are getting down to their last 5-10 percent of their budget. My guess would also be that Shapiro/Atkins/LaCava are spending each and every minute helping the two new guys become familiar with all the Players they have in the System.

 

I think King's GIF was saying you had a Eureka! moment.

[RealAccountant]

There are no moves BC the Shapiro regime is too risk averse

[Governator]

There are no moves BC the Shapiro regime is too risk averse

 

Define moves, because we don't have trade chips save for Revere. The only risk move this team could have done is dump every dollar for a top arm and hope to hell someone like Hutch + steps up. Then pray no one has an injury because our depth is/was scary as hell.

 

This team is in much better shape than it was to start last season and no one is ever happy.

[Jimcanuck]

Has anyone else wondered why the Jays are so quiet right now, while it seems that "every other team" is making moves?

 

Well this is just a theory but I am thinking that if you take the contracts of the players who are signed through next season and add them up and subtract from the projected payroll for this year, maybe the number is getting close to where the budget is set for. Therefore, maybe the Jays are waiting to see who gets how much in arbitration before making more moves.

 

This would make sense because there are a number of them eligible this year. We know Donaldson is getting a huge raise that will take up payroll. Cecil might as well.

 

This is not meant to set off a debate about ownership being cheap. We all know there is a budget, so more money is not the point for my posting.

 

What do you think?

 

been saying since the beginning of offseason the jays need to shed salary eg. Tulo in order to make significant moves

 

for sure Shapiro et al are looking to the trade market more so than the FA market

[BigCecil]

Define moves, because we don't have trade chips save for Revere. The only risk move this team could have done is dump every dollar for a top arm and hope to hell someone like Hutch + steps up. Then pray no one has an injury because our depth is/was scary as hell.

 

This team is in much better shape than it was to start last season and no one is ever happy.

 

This team is better starting 2016 than it was 2015. I wouldn't say I'm unhappy. Mgm approach to the big FAs and Estrada/Happ signings was reasonable.

 

I have concerns about our pen and I like the look of the RedSox and the Yanks sexy pen (yes, I have pen envy). But overall when you compare our assets to them, 2016 looks to be a ton of fun for us obsessed Jays fans. Can't wait.

Edited December 31, 2015 by BigCecil

[glory]

They don't want to trade prospects, and with presumably little wiggle room in the payroll it is going to be difficult to acquire relief help in the current market. They likely did not anticipate the FA market for relievers to be this crazy.

 

Im fine with how this off season has played out. A little boring but it is what it is. If they can gather enough room for a Blanton type it would make me feel a little better about the pen, though.

[BTS]

They want to stop the bleeding in terms of taking from the future, and the RP market absolutely blew up this offseason.

[Nafro]

Define moves, because we don't have trade chips save for Revere. The only risk move this team could have done is dump every dollar for a top arm and hope to hell someone like Hutch + steps up. Then pray no one has an injury because our depth is/was scary as hell.

 

This team is in much better shape than it was to start last season and no one is ever happy.

 

This seems like way too much hoping and praying for me. Jim I really hope Tulo puts up a 5-6 WAR season, while playing stellar defense this year.

[Jimcanuck]

This seems like way too much hoping and praying for me. Jim I really hope Tulo puts up a 5-6 WAR season, while playing stellar defense this year.

 

So do I but realistically we are looking at between 3 and 4 WAR. his career high is 5.6 and injuries have taken their toll

[BigCecil]

So do I but realistically we are looking at between 3 and 4 WAR. his career high is 5.6 and injuries have taken their toll

 

Agree. I'd be very happy with 3 to 4 WAR from him with staying healthy in 2016. Just gotta keep him away from Pillar's nose.

[saskjayfan]

There are no moves BC the Shapiro regime is too risk averse

 

or because the team has depth with smoak/collabella, saunders, pompey and goins to go along with a starting lineup that already plays good defense and put up close to 900 runs. The team didn't need to make a lot of moves. We went with 4 solid veterin starters to go along with hutch and Stro. I would have preferred going and getting a higher end rotation guy, and look at transitioning one of the kids to a starting role, but as we saw the market for starters was very expensive

and maybe this wasn't the best route either with big bats left to sign at years end.

 

The only thing I really would have liked to see was for them to go out and sign Morrow on a flyer for a 1 year 3 mil guaranteed contract, but somehow the padres signed him to a minor league deal telling him he could have the opportunity to start.

 

The team is built to win. I wasn't enthralled with the Happ deal when it was announced, but he has good stuff and there is upside. I'm starting to warm up to the idea of him being here. He could end up being a great signing.

[Dr. Dinger]

God the bullpen is such a hot mess right now. I'll be interested to see how Shapiro can turn this around.

[BTS]

God the bullpen is such a hot mess right now. I'll be interested to see how Shapiro can turn this around.

 

Meh. Cecil, Osuna, Loup, and Sanchez are a pretty good anchor.

[Dr. Dinger]

Meh. Cecil, Osuna, Loup, and Sanchez are a pretty good anchor.

 

Not really. Cecil and Osuna are good, the other two probably suck. Locking Osuna into the bullpen is also a very depressing prospect.

[AdamGreenwood]

Trading Tulo now, after a disappointing 2015 would be a huge mistake. Let him rebuild his value this year, and then hopefully, we can trade him for a bunch of prospects (as well as salary relief).

Although I suspect that if Tulo turns it around, no one will have any interest in trading him. Fans always have the 'sell low, buy high' mindset.

[BTS]

Not really. Cecil and Osuna are good, the other two probably suck. Locking Osuna into the bullpen is also a very depressing prospect.

 

I don't think Sanchez sucks as a reliever, and Loup has been pretty solid outside of some ERA issues in 40 innings last year. Would be nice to acquire another reliable arm, but I don't think the current pen is bad.

[Cbert]

So does anyone think Penny and Hernandez could be solid pieces out of the pen? I think Osuna stays up for the year as closer and Hutch and possibly Sanchez go to AAA as starting depth.

[Dr. Dinger]

So does anyone think Penny and Hernandez could be solid pieces out of the pen?

 

Considering they've both been in and out of the majors for years now, no.

[Dr. Dinger]

I remember that one All-Star Game where Brad Penny came out firing rockets, and it looked like he was going to be the next big ace in baseball. That didn't happen.

[Dr. Dinger]

Holy f***, that was 10 years ago.

[glory]

Not really. Cecil and Osuna are good, the other two probably suck. Locking Osuna into the bullpen is also a very depressing prospect.

 

Cecil, Osuna, and Loup should be good. I hated seeing Loup in games last season but the track record and peripherals suggest he was unlucky last season. A bounce back is possible. Sanchez is what he is (assuming he doesn't come to camp with a new swing and miss pitch). As long as Gibbons doesn't use him as if he were Betances, and maybe a bit more situationally (fewer LHB, more GB situations) then he should be fine as well. I agree the team could use another arm (Blanton!!) but the pen is the easiest of all positions to find a surprise contributor. I'm not too worried about it.

[Dr. Dinger]

Cecil, Osuna, and Loup should be good. I hated seeing Loup in games last season but the track record and peripherals suggest he was unlucky last season. A bounce back is possible. Sanchez is what he is (assuming he doesn't come to camp with a new swing and miss pitch). As long as Gibbons doesn't use him as if he were Betances, and maybe a bit more situationally (fewer LHB, more GB situations) then he should be fine as well. I agree the team could use another arm (Blanton!!) but the pen is the easiest of all positions to find a surprise contributor. I'm not too worried about it.

 

Loup is a LOOGY, I'm not sure why we're even discussing him as a central piece of our bellpen.

[BTS]

I remember that one All-Star Game where Brad Penny came out firing rockets, and it looked like he was going to be the next big ace in baseball. That didn't happen.

 

I remember that too, and it's the first thing I think of when I see his name. Came out pumping fastball after fastball.

 

We're old

[Dr. Dinger]

I remember that too, and it's the first thing I think of when I see his name. Came out pumping fastball after fastball.

 

We're old

 

Struck out Ichiro, Jeter, and Ortiz in order while throwing all heaters.

[Cbert]

Considering they've both been in and out of the majors for years now, no.

 

But weren't those all attempts to come back as starters? I'd think their chances of finding success as one inning or once through the order type guys is greater than a lot of the guys we'll have audition in ST

[Dr. Dinger]

But weren't those all attempts to come back as starters? I'd think their chances of finding success as one inning or once through the order type guys is greater than a lot of the guys we'll have audition in ST

 

I would wager that Fausto Carbonara never throws a pitch for the Blue Jays this regular season.

[highhard2]

Has anyone else wondered why the Jays are so quiet right now, while it seems that "every other team" is making moves?

 

Well this is just a theory but I am thinking that if you take the contracts of the players who are signed through next season and add them up and subtract from the projected payroll for this year, maybe the number is getting close to where the budget is set for. Therefore, maybe the Jays are waiting to see who gets how much in arbitration before making more moves.

 

This would make sense because there are a number of them eligible this year. We know Donaldson is getting a huge raise that will take up payroll. Cecil might as well.

 

This is not meant to set off a debate about ownership being cheap. We all know there is a budget, so more money is not the point for my posting.

 

What do you think?

 

They can probably pinpoint,to within a few hundred K, what players will get in arb.

 

Invalid theory is invalid.

 

If there is any budget left it's probably being saved for the trade deadline. People should start accepting that what you see is what you get.

 

Personally, i'm still hoping for Bastardo, but won't be holding my breath.