Goins 2016

[Spanky99]

Our 25th man will exceed 2 war, lol...I'm in.

[Spanky99]

I'll take it there.

 

I'll take any bets that averaged over 600 plate appearances it will be greater than 1.5WAR.

 

lol... that's fool proof meat? Don't go out on a limb or anything, mr, 2 2.5 war, lol

 

You're a pussy, as per usual.

[admin]

lol... that's fool proof meat? Don't go out on a limb or anything, mr, 2 2.5 war, lol

 

You're a pussy, as per usual.

 

You're so confident he's terrible, then there should be no way he'll get 1.5WAR. Right?

[Spanky99]

Straight up ju1ced, your punk against the world, he had near or over 600PA's this year?

 

Couldn't touch 2 WAR on his best day, he stinks, meat.

[Spanky99]

You're so confident he's terrible, then there should be no way he'll get 1.5WAR. Right?

 

Right.

[Jimcanuck]

Straight up ju1ced, your punk against the world, he had near or over 600PA's this year?

 

Couldn't touch 2 WAR on his best day, he stinks, meat.

 

He had 428 PA, fool.

 

Averaged over 600 PA it's over 2 WAR

[Spanky99]

He had 428 PA, fool.

 

Averaged over 600 PA it's over 2 WAR

 

Never again fool. He was badly exposed to good pitching down the stretch and the post season, dummy.

 

28 wRC+

 

Sexy!

[admin]

On. Name the price. I'll do 1.7WAR if that makes it more fair. That's averaged over 600PAs, and a minimum of 250. Okay?

[GD]

ugh

[admin]

ANd yours was 1-1.5 so we'll meet in middle.

[King]

ITT: Pussos

[Spanky99]

ITT: Pussos

 

Get rid of that avatar, it's served its purpose man!

[GD]

nerds quibbling over decimals ITT

[King]

[Grant77]

Time for the annual Goins discussion.

 

What would he deliver as a full time SS? I voted 1.5 - 2.0 WAR.

 

Well he delivered 1.5 WAR in 428 PA's this year. He was protected from lefties, a bit, but it wasn't a full season either. I'd say either of the options between 1 and 2 WAR are perfectly reasonable if his D is properly evaluated. He made real changes in hitting this year and while that still doesn't make him an average hitter, those who voted less than 1 WAR are being illogical and making an uninformed choice. The median wRC+ for a shortstop was actually below Goins' 88 mark in 2015.

[King]

Pussssssssooooooooooooooos

[Grant77]

Final Countdown!!!

 

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[Laika]

If you're wondering about Goins' improved BB% and how real it was - walk rate 'stabilizes' in about 200 PA for hitters. So unless he reverts back to his old, terrible skill level - which is entirely possible - then his BB% in 2016 should be at least close to that 9.1% figure.

 

Hopefully this question is irrelevant and he's a bench player for the entire year.

[burlingtonbandit]

If you're wondering about Goins' improved BB% and how real it was - walk rate 'stabilizes' in about 200 PA for hitters. So unless he reverts back to his old, terrible skill level - which is entirely possible - then his BB% in 2016 should be at least close to that 9.1% figure.

 

Hopefully this question is irrelevant and he's a bench player for the entire year.

 

His walk rate in the postseason was 2.5%, I don't see him being able to keep up a walk rate close to 9%.

 

And if you look at the stats a little more closely to see if there was a change in approach..

 

1st Half- BB Rate 5.7%

Out of zone swing rate 30.7%

 

2nd Half- BB rate 12%

Out of zone swing rate 29.7%

[Laika]

His walk rate in the postseason was 2.5%, I don't see him being able to keep up a walk rate close to 9%.

 

On today's episode of Fun With Small Sample Sizes

 

TBH I'd be surprised if he touched 9% too. But the theory says that BB stabilizes in 200 PA, and he had over 400 to reach that 9% number. Also, from watching the entire second half, it certainly seemed like he underwent a skill change. He looked better.

[burlingtonbandit]

On today's episode of Fun With Small Sample Sizes

 

TBH I'd be surprised if he touched 9% too. But the theory says that BB stabilizes in 200 PA, and he had over 400 to reach that 9% number. Also, from watching the entire second half, it certainly seemed like he underwent a skill change. He looked better.

 

Sure its a small sample size but a 2.5% BB rate and 30% K rate is not encouraging when a guy has supposedly turned into a better hitter. Those rates are really really bad lol.

 

I'd say I watched 90% of the games in the 2nd half and I agree he looked much better. I also remember there being a few of those walks where pitchers for whatever reason just could not find the zone at all. Now obviously this happens to everyone but it seemed like an unusual number of times. Could just be confirmation bias but if I'm a betting man I don't think Goins comes close to replicating the walk rate.

 

I think his approach changed but it didn't change enough that he walks more than 7%. In September he was still chasing pitches at the same rate as Kevin Pillar..

[Laika]

Sure its a small sample size

 

ftfy

[burlingtonbandit]

ftfy

 

So was the 2 months Goins actually took walks though.

[Laika]

So was the 2 months Goins actually took walks though.

 

I don't like moving the goal posts at all. His walk rate in 428 PA was comfortably above MLB average. It is what it is.

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't like moving the goal posts at all. His walk rate in 428 PA was comfortably above MLB average. It is what it is.

 

Just because he had that walk rate doesn't mean he will come close to it in the future though.

[Frenchsoup]

Goins get's traded to the Padres and leads there squad with a 0.4 WAR season. Devon Travis stays healthy next year and puts up 6.5 WAR for the Blue Jays.

[burlingtonbandit]

Was thinking of this the other day. If Travis were guaranteed to play 150 Games O/U on 3.5 WAR next year?

[GD]

Just because he had that walk rate doesn't mean he will come close to it in the future though.

 

around and around we go

[G-Snarls]

I said 0.5-1.0 WAR because I suspect Travis wins the 2B job and Goins plays fewer than 100 games as our primary backup IF.

 

He will still play a fair bit and conveniently can probably provide solid defensive backup for 2B, SS and 3B which is great. He's a much better backup option than Kawasaki and could have long stretches of regular play if any of Travis, Tulo or Donaldson have DL stints.

[Grant77]

I said 0.5-1.0 WAR because I suspect Travis wins the 2B job and Goins plays fewer than 100 games as our primary backup IF.

 

He will still play a fair bit and conveniently can probably provide solid defensive backup for 2B, SS and 3B which is great. He's a much better backup option than Kawasaki and could have long stretches of regular play if any of Travis, Tulo or Donaldson have DL stints.

 

That isn't the question in the poll.