Alex Anthopoulos Departing

[Boxcar]

No.

 

Actually it's likely very accurate.

[BigCecil]

I find it hard to believe that Shapiro came in scolded him and said you can return but only if you ask me to make decesions first. Anyway its pretty clear the organization is going to be completely different. No relationships with the players. Will be interesting to see how this goes.

 

Me too. That's over the top. Scolded? He may have said something about a different direction...who knows. But you would have to be a massive dick to "scold" someone in your first meeting. Wouldn't be remotely professional.

[Boxcar]

f*** yes. Hurl, we're back buddy.

 

Can we schedule a circle jerk asap. I need to celebrate your guyses return. More And more thinks sinks in, the more excited I am about the implications.

[Atothe]

The question is WHY was Shapiro chosen as the new boss instead of AA. Either you believe Shapiro is better / smarter / more qualified, in which case you should be happy AA is gone, or you don't believe this in which case you should be pissed that Shapiro got chosen for the job over AA.

 

He is and he doesn't need a 150 million dollar payroll to do it.

[fatcowxlive]

This is becoming more and more exciting, this has the potential for being a pretty eventful offseason

[BTS]

Can we schedule a circle jerk asap. I need to celebrate your guyses return. More And more thinks sinks in, the more excited I am about the implications.

 

I'm in Toronto mid-November. Can you host?

[Angrioter]

[Laika]

f*** yes. Hurl, we're back buddy.

 

started growing my Bautista beard already.

 

I demand that you instantly burn all Rays gear

[kcjaysfan]

Kansas City doesn't have those players yet beat the Blue Jays pretty easily and they made it to the world series last year as well. You are forgetting there are a lot of good players in the league. Price isn't with the team when FA starts. Martin anyone could have signed and he kept Sanchez over Syn. Donaldson was a great trade but I was disappointed with the mets/marlins trades. This team could have had a different makeup with young cheap controllable pitching along with some hitting instead of an expensive yet very good hitting team. The Mets made it that way and they have a pretty solid rotation for a while. AA wasn't perfect by any means and is replaceable.

 

ftfy

[The Cats Ass]

Internet high fives?

 

Ya, there's probably some of those. Right after the team wins a world series.

[bendera3]

I demand that you instantly burn all Rays gear

 

Or he could donate it to Tampa. I'm sure there will be at least 35 guys in need of uniforms come next year and who knows if Tampa has the money to buy them.

[Angrioter]

Gibbons

http://i.imgur.com/Jq290Xg.gif

[The Cats Ass]

That's one example. And let's face it, they played in a pretty sh*tty division and are luck boxing through the playoffs.

 

How are the Cubs now after having a #1 farm?

[fatcowxlive]

 

This Westhead dude's talking a lot.

 

Jeff Blair is taking shots at TSN 'No other place to get coverage [of this story] like this, well you can get bad information from other places'

 

The Toronto Blue Jays offered general manager Alex Anthopoulos a three-year contract extension within the past week, according to a team source.

The contract also included a mutual option for a fourth season and would have significantly increased Anthopoulos’s salary, the source said.

Anthopoulos informed Rogers executives in a meeting Wednesday afternoon that he would not return to the team for the 2016 season.

The team source, who was directly involved with Anthopoulos’s contract negotiations, said the Blue Jays first offered him a one-year contract extension this summer. A second offer was made for two years, plus a mutual option to extend for two additional years.

It’s unclear whether incoming Blue Jays president Mark Shapiro wanted Anthopoulos to remain with the team. During his only meeting with Anthopoulos and other team executives, Shapiro said he was concerned that the Jays had given away so many blue chip prospects this season.

That conversation has been confirmed by two sources.

“Mark is a pretty direct guy and he was basically questioning giving up so many great prospects,” the team source said. “He basically was trying to point out Alex really was going for broke.”

Shapiro, a two-time baseball executive of the year, will be charged with modernizing the Jays’ business operations. The team generated $20 million worth of corporate sponsorship revenue during the 2015 season, less than the $21 million generated by Toronto FC, a source familiar with the matter told TSN.

The Jays are also one of few Major League Baseball teams that don’t employ dynamic ticket pricing - a tactic where teams charge more for tickets for games against high-profile teams such as the Yankees and Red Sox than they do for other games.

“The Jays have probably left $40 million to $60 million on the table,” the team source said.

[glory]

...and the best offense in baseball all coming back next year. But, yeah, that farm system!

 

Would be nice to have a WS caliber team in the 20s on good value deals plus a booming farm system but this isn't fantasy land.

 

No not every player has to be on great value contracts but having a combination of a strong MLB team and a strong farm system is certainly possible. AA sacrificed one for the other. You can't do that and expect to build a sustainable winner. Play for 2015-16 and that's all you're going to get. Shapiro has to change that.

[nonamejays]

That isn't what that means in the slightest. Building your farm system is how you produce a long term contender. Not a one year wonder

 

Definitely agree with you there.

 

What did AA trade of actual merit at the deadline -

 

Norris - Likely would have been the #4/5 guy for the Jays next year.

Hoffman - High potential to be a #2 guy or better, but was s*** this season entirely leading a lot of people on here to be concerned that his arm might be screwed.

Castro - Meh reliever. We have a lot of meh relievers.

Tirado - he's okay but not really high end at all.

Labourt - he's okay, but is not a high end guy either.

The rest were mostly org guys or meh guys like Rasmussen

 

So 2 good prospects and a pile of meh. One or two of the rest of those players may make the MLB at some point. Easily replaceable.

 

The benefit of actually winning and possibly becoming a destination that a free agent would want to go to is more valuable than those two prospects.

[Boxcar]

I'm in Toronto mid-November. Can you host?

 

Gotta ask my mom.

[Angrioter]

Shapiro running the organization

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/892017/dance-puppets-o.gif

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

Me too. That's over the top. Scolded? He may have said something about a different direction...who knows. But you would have to be a massive dick to "scold" someone in your first meeting. Wouldn't be remotely professional.

 

The Green Goblin has Arrived, AA never stood a chance as his fat Greek ass doesn't fit into his Spider-Man suit anymore!

[BigCecil]

I'm ok with this. He chose to leave. He leaves behind a decent 2016 team if we shell out $ for pitching but 2017 is murkier. His record is marginal and mixed.

 

It tells me Shapiro will be very much in charge and I'm ok if we live and die with that. This decision makes me more excited for 2016.

 

As far as the reaction the sheep will be pissed if we don't do well and blame it on Shapiro and the loss of Ninja. If we do well, they will forget AA in a second.

[Atothe]

Definitely agree with you there.

 

What did AA trade of actual merit at the deadline -

 

Norris - Likely would have been the #4/5 guy for the Jays next year.

Hoffman - High potential to be a #2 guy or better, but was s*** this season entirely leading a lot of people on here to be concerned that his arm might be screwed.

Castro - Meh reliever. We have a lot of meh relievers.

Tirado - he's okay but not really high end at all.

Labourt - he's okay, but is not a high end guy either.

The rest were mostly org guys or meh guys like Rasmussen

 

So 2 good prospects and a pile of meh. One or two of the rest of those players may make the MLB at some point. Easily replaceable.

 

The benefit of actually winning and possibly becoming a destination that a free agent would want to go to is more valuable than those two prospects.

 

How do you know what any of these guys will be? Norris is already a 4-5th starter, now a 22 year old can't improve?

[z3r0s]

I'll wait to hear details before I speculate, but this is at the very least shocking and somewhat disappointing.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

f*** yes. Hurl, we're back buddy.

 

BTS well that would explain the dead fish smell in the Room!

 

More little Trees, Stat!

 

There goes the neighbourhood! Lol

[KingKat]

Does TSN radio have a feed?

 

Edit: here it is https://t.co/y5gGXt7KiY

[fatcowxlive]

Keith Law going in on Rogers and the Jays organization. Says that this is a bad look to fire a guy who did everything the org wanted him to do, especially since he build a top farm system and having home-grown prospects helping out the team now (Stroman, Osuna, etc) and using them as currency to improve the team.

 

Law is praising him for his trading of prospects this season

 

Law's saying that he doesn't understand why the Jays are giving power to a guy who's going to model the team after an organization that isn't better than the Jays (Indians) and wonders why they didn't go after someone who's going to model the team after a successful org

[nonamejays]

How do you know what any of these guys will be? Norris is already a 4-5th starter, now a 22 year old can't improve?

 

Obviously Norris could improve and be a good starter, he will be a #4/5 guy next year. Might crap the bed too, who knows until we get there. Other than Hoffman, none of the rest of the guys were blue chip guys like Alford and Pompey, some were in the next tier, some below that. Base off pure mathematical odds, some should make the MLB, but most won't and who knows what impact they will have. Will some of the pitchers turn into future versions of Tepera if they stick in the MLB? that's not a huge deal. The Jays can restock the farm system easily through the draft. Not concerned in the slightest about that.

[204Jays]

Part of me is angry AA is leaving. Forget the money he was/wasn't offered by us or someone else. He literally bet the farm on this season, to walk away seems cheap. That's like making a bet you never intend on paying back.

[fatcowxlive]

Law thinks Gibbon's is going to get let go and thinks a frontrunner is Eric Wedge

[Grant77]

Keith Law:

 

- Doesn't think Shapiro was hired to replace Anthopoulos, but thinks Rogers expected it.

- Notes that Cleveland is a strong process oriented organization, but has not been successful at all. He would have brought in someone from a more successful organization.

- Thinks that criticizing Anthopoulos' trade record is way off base and incorrect. All trades this year were huge successes.

- Doesn't expect further investment from ownership when it comes to big name pitchers.

- Confirms with industry sources that Shapiro was highly critical of AA's trades at the deadline.

- Anticipates a possible tear down of the existing roster and thinks that it would be a disastrous decision.

- Expects Gibbons to be fired, mentions Eric Wedge. (oh no!)

[Atothe]

Law thinks Gibbon's is going to get let go and thinks a frontrunner is Eric Wedge

 

A lot of horseshit, take it with a large grain of salt.