Offseason Roster Thread

[TheHurl]

Keith Pelley on PTS saying over 50% of Jays revenue would be in USD. More like 60% or 70% would be in USD (he mumbled a bit at that point).

 

that doesn't seem possible 2014 they had $227M in total revenue and $80M of that came from ticket sales. Another $30M came from Rogers for the TV rights

[Grant77]

that doesn't seem possible 2014 they had $227M in total revenue and $80M of that came from ticket sales. Another $30M came from Rogers for the TV rights

 

That's 50%...

[burlingtonbandit]

that doesn't seem possible 2014 they had $227M in total revenue and $80M of that came from ticket sales. Another $30M came from Rogers for the TV rights

 

I believe they get a big chunk of money from MLBAM now. I read somewhere its 100-110 million/team

[Cyborg]

No.

 

Yes

[TheHurl]

I believe they get a big chunk of money from MLBAM now. I read somewhere its 100-110 million/team

 

is that a recent change? I read that if they sold it they would get approximately $150M each. Hard to believe it would be valuated at $5B if it were generating $3B a year.

[THANOS]

Yes

 

Hell no. A 32 year old career 4.32 FIP reliever who's only had one great MLB season and is coming off a 0.1 WAR season in 50 IP, is not a sufficient return for Ben Revere.

[King]

Hell no. A 32 year old career 4.32 FIP reliever who's only had one great MLB season and is coming off a 0.1 WAR season in 50 IP, is not a sufficient return for Ben Revere.

 

Hochevar as a reliever since 2013 (missed 2014): 121 IP, 9.74 K/9, 2.45 BB/9, 2.68 ERA/3.44 xFIP(36 GB%)

 

I don't think it's fair to look at his career stats (when he was a bad starter) and write him off.

[Chappy]

Hochevar as a reliever since 2013 (missed 2014): 121 IP, 9.74 K/9, 2.45 BB/9, 2.68 ERA/3.44 xFIP(36 GB%)

 

I don't think it's fair to look at his career stats (when he was a bad starter) and write him off.

 

Especially with RP. That being said I am not sure I want to get rid of Revere so easily. I like the idea of having additional depth like Pompey and Saunders heading into a contending season.

[GreekFatAss]

Hell no. A 32 year old career 4.32 FIP reliever who's only had one great MLB season and is coming off a 0.1 WAR season in 50 IP, is not a sufficient return for Ben Revere.

 

Its might be worth it when you consider that your trading a backup player in an area of depth for depth in an area we have a need. You also get to save a little bit of money that you could throw at a Blanton type.

[burlingtonbandit]

is that a recent change? I read that if they sold it they would get approximately $150M each. Hard to believe it would be valuated at $5B if it were generating $3B a year.

 

Meant to say it was altogether. 100-110 Million US which included revenue sharing and MLBAM.

[THANOS]

Hochevar as a reliever since 2013 (missed 2014): 121 IP, 9.74 K/9, 2.45 BB/9, 2.68 ERA/3.44 xFIP(36 GB%)

 

I don't think it's fair to look at his career stats (when he was a bad starter) and write him off.

 

He's still 32, and I didn't love what he did over 50 IP this past season. Those stats above are skewed to his amazing 2013, but that's only 1 season so there isn't much for projection there. He's no better than Delabar really.

 

I'd rather try and convince Stewart to give us Delgado, or try and poach Storen from the Nats. The former is just 25 and looks more projectable. The latter is 28, a bit more expensive, but much more dependable.

 

Its might be worth it when you consider that your trading a backup player in an area of depth for depth in an area we have a need. You also get to save a little bit of money that you could throw at a Blanton type.

 

Certainly, but I'd rather go after someone younger and more projectable for that, like Randall Delgado. Then sign Blanton and Oh.

[GD]

"Those stats above are skewed to his amazing 2013"

 

As opposed to stats that skewed to an entirely different role...? lol

[THANOS]

"Those stats above are skewed to his amazing 2013"

 

As opposed to stats that skewed to an entirely different role...? lol

 

There's not enough there to project him fairly as a reliever, it's 2 seasons. 1 was spectacular, the other was very average. He's basically Steve Delabar after 2014.

[GD]

There's not enough there to project him fairly as a reliever, it's 2 seasons. 1 was spectacular, the other was very average. He's basically Steve Delabar after 2014.

 

Sure there is.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/principles/sample-size/

 

Pitch level statistics also work well here.

[THANOS]

Sure there is.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/principles/sample-size/

 

Pitch level statistics also work well here.

 

In the sample size sense, sure, but using 2 seasons, where one was league average over 50 relief IP, isn't the greatest projection model to use. It's tough to predict what we could get in 2016, especially given his age. At least if we could pouch a younger talent like Delgado (which shouldn't be too difficult given their GM and needs), we could take the age regression out of the discussion for now, and his peripherals look a bit more consistent over his 2 relief seasons.

[Spanky99]

In the sample size sense, sure, but using 2 seasons, where one was league average over 50 relief IP, isn't the greatest projection model to use. It's tough to predict what we could get in 2016, especially given his age. At least if we could pouch a younger talent like Delgado (which shouldn't be too difficult given their GM and needs), we could take the age regression out of the discussion for now, and his peripherals look a bit more consistent over his 2 relief seasons.

 

VOLATILITY... it's tough to predict what Joe Rockhead, is going to come up with, yet I'd like Delgado, same difference.

[GD]

In the sample size sense, sure, but using 2 seasons, where one was league average over 50 relief IP, isn't the greatest projection model to use. It's tough to predict what we could get in 2016, especially given his age. At least if we could pouch a younger talent like Delgado (which shouldn't be too difficult given their GM and needs), we could take the age regression out of the discussion for now, and his peripherals look a bit more consistent over his 2 relief seasons.

 

Lol, what are you even arguing? That he had volatility between his two seasons so he isn't worth the investment? Welcome to relievers.

[THANOS]

Lol, what are you even arguing? That he had volatility between his two seasons so he isn't worth the investment? Welcome to relievers.

 

I'm arguing that the volatility is drastic compared to someone like Delgado, who's both younger and had 2 very similar seasons in relief. The volatility was minimal in his case when it wasn't for Hochevar. I apologise if my point wasn't clear enough. I'd rather pay for the least amount of volatility we can get. Consistency is difficult to achieve in the BP but it does exist.

Edited December 25, 2015 by THANOS

[Spanky99]

Isn't paying for Hochevar or Delgado similar? I'd be down regardless.

[Spanky99]

Hochevar was coming back from TJ last year that's why there's volatility I'd wager. When he first converted to a RP his FB went up 3 mph and he was a savage.

 

There's volatility in every arm. Lets be serious.

[THANOS]

Isn't paying for Hochevar or Delgado similar? I'd be down regardless.

 

Overall, yes, but Delgado had 2 seasons almost identical to one another which paints a bit clearer picture. He's also only 26. Hochevar is 32 and already lst 1 mph of his pitches after coming off TJS. Maybe you can contribute it to a temporary weakening from the TJS, but maybe it doesn't return next season, and only drops due to his age?

 

I just find Delgado a lot more projectable at this pint.

 

Hochevar was coming back from TJ last year that's why there's volatility I'd wager. When he first converted to a RP his FB went up 3 mph and he was a savage.

 

Quite possible, but, at his age, who says he returns to his 2013 form?

[Spanky99]

I'm down for Delgado Thanos, there's no worry there, heck, I'd love to see a May acquisition rather than either pitchers mentioned.

[THANOS]

I'm down for Delgado Thanos, there's no worry there, heck, I'd love to see a May acquisition rather than either pitchers mentioned.

 

That would be fantastic Spanks! I'd love to poach May if Minni is silly enough to trade him. He seems to be undervalued by them so I'm curious what he would cost us? Do they have a need in the outfield?

 

http://i.imgur.com/7KU7Fqx.png

 

I wonder if we could sign Oh for cheap? He doesn't seem to be on many teams radars, at least from what I've read thus far.

[Spanky99]

That would be fantastic Spanks! I'd love to poach May if Minni is silly enough to trade him. He seems to be undervalued by them so I'm curious what he would cost us? Do they have a need in the outfield?

 

http://i.imgur.com/7KU7Fqx.png

 

I wonder if we could sign Oh for cheap? He doesn't seem to be on many teams radars, at least from what I've read thus far.

 

True... a Christmas Carol is on, let us believe in Miracles, lol.

[THANOS]

True... a Christmas Carol is on, let us believe in Miracles, lol.

 

Lol oh yes, tis the season after all. I'm watching Pirates 2 on Bravo right now, which fits with our off-season search for buried treasure.

[Spanky99]

Lol oh yes, tis the season after all. I'm watching Pirates 2 on Bravo right now, which fits with our off-season search for buried treasure.

 

Get in the spirit, with a classic. (pun intended)

[THANOS]

Get in the spirit, with a classic. (pun intended)

 

My go to flicks for the season are usually Christmas Vacation, Jingle all the Way, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Bad Santa, Home Alone 1 and 2, Nightmare before Christmas, Die Hard, and finally Gremlins .

 

Krampus may join that list, if it's good, when I see it Saturday!

[Spanky99]

My go to flicks for the season are usually Christmas Vacation, Jingle all the Way, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Bad Santa, Home Alone 1 and 2, Nightmare before Christmas, Die Hard, and finally Gremlins .

 

Krampus may join that list, if it's good, when I see it Saturday!

 

Too young, yet there's a couple classsics in there.

[THANOS]

Too young, yet there's a couple classsics in there.

 

Christmas Carol is not bad, the ghoulish practical effects on Marley still give me chills, despite the age of the film lol.

[Spanky99]

My go to flicks for the season are usually Christmas Vacation, Jingle all the Way, How the Grinch Stole Christmas, Bad Santa, Home Alone 1 and 2, Nightmare before Christmas, Die Hard, and finally Gremlins .

 

Krampus may join that list, if it's good, when I see it Saturday!

 

I'd be scared to see Krampus. I'm a pusso...