One Positive from Today

[Jonn]

Hendriks is awesome. But Gibby does not think of him as anymore of a mop up man in the back end of the bullpen. It's absurd.

 

I would leave him as a reliever and let him flourish, however converting him back to a SP might be interesting? Does anyone know if he has any options for next year?

 

No hes out of options.

[fatcowxlive]

Hendriks is awesome. But Gibby does not think of him as anymore of a mop up man in the back end of the bullpen. It's absurd.

 

I would leave him as a reliever and let him flourish, however converting him back to a SP might be interesting? Does anyone know if he has any options for next year?

 

Pretty sure I read sometime in ST that he was out of options

[fatcowxlive]

No he should remain in the pen. He just needs to be used. The only postive from today's game is that its over.

 

Sad but true

[KingKat]

No hes out of options.

 

Yep was out this year too.

[King]

Thanks

[Atothe]

A season high. He did it once this season, today, in a crucial spot. He doesn't throw this many innings every 5 days

 

So its impossible to do it again given an entire offseason to get ready?

[Jonn]

Blue Jays were thinking about trying to sneak him through waivers as starter depth to start the season. He only made the team because he was out of options. And than he started to flourish in the pen despite Gibbons use of him. I doubt they will consider him as a starter again.

[fatcowxlive]

So its impossible to do it again given an entire offseason to get ready?

 

It's not impossible but it's not likely going to produce a good outcome. Like I said, guys like him who've started before that post higher velocities in the pen hold back on the fastball as a starter. If we're gunning for a WS Estrada should be our #5, Hendriks can be an injury option but not a normal starter.

[L54]

So its impossible to do it again given an entire offseason to get ready?

 

Certianly not impossible. But that doesn't mean it's likely either.

[Atothe]

It's not impossible but it's not likely going to produce a good outcome. Like I said, guys like him who've started before that post higher velocities in the pen hold back on the fastball as a starter. If we're gunning for a WS Estrada should be our #5, Hendriks can be an injury option but not a normal starter.

 

First of all Estrada isn't coming back. Secondly given the lack of internal options for next year, Hendriks is probably a good choice to battle it out for the 5th spot.

[L54]

Stroman

FA 1

FA 2

Dickey

Osuna/Hutch/Sanchez/Hendriks

 

He's absolutely an option, but I'd be pretty disappointed with our offseason if Hendriks was in the opening day rotation.

[dineke]

I guess it can't hurt to see if he can hold his velo as a starter in spring training.

[bronson44]

First of all Estrada isn't coming back. Secondly given the lack of internal options for next year, Hendriks is probably a good choice to battle it out for the 5th spot.

 

I really think Estrada might come back. Apparently AA had been after him for a few years.

[Atothe]

I really think Estrada might come back. Apparently AA had been after him for a few years.

 

Better options in Hutch, Osuna and a free agent looking to rebuild his value after a injury/bad year.

[Atothe]

Stroman

FA 1

FA 2

Dickey

Osuna/Hutch/Sanchez/Hendriks

 

He's absolutely an option, but I'd be pretty disappointed with our offseason if Hendriks was in the opening day rotation.

 

So how much money is AA putting forth for this FA #2 starter?

[L54]

So how much money is AA putting forth for this FA #2 starter?

 

If I knew I wouldn't be posting here.

 

FA 1= the first FA pitcher signed

FA 2= the second FA pitcher signed

 

Obviously it's unlikely they bring in SP1 and SP2 this winter.

 

Edit: Trades are a thing too.

[Atothe]

If I knew I wouldn't be posting here.

 

FA 1= the first FA pitcher signed

FA 2= the second FA pitcher signed

 

Obviously it's unlikely they bring in SP1 and SP2 this winter.

 

I doubt the jays go for anything more then 10 mill

[art_vandelay275]

No he should remain in the pen. He just needs to be used. The only postive from today's game is that its over.

 

Are people saying that Hendriks should start because of his velo? Has he shown any secondary pitches either when he was a starter or coming out of the pen?

 

If that's all he has, a 98 fastball doesn't go very far in this league

[King]

Are people saying that Hendriks should start because of his velo? Has he shown any secondary pitches either when he was a starter or coming out of the pen?

 

If that's all he has, a 98 fastball doesn't go very far in this league

 

Today:

http://i.imgur.com/IMXTmhM.png

 

 

On the season:

http://i.imgur.com/PBBrEOV.png

http://i.imgur.com/zhRjHpM.png

[GD]

That is some filth

[Jonn]

Are people saying that Hendriks should start because of his velo? Has he shown any secondary pitches either when he was a starter or coming out of the pen?

 

If that's all he has, a 98 fastball doesn't go very far in this league

 

He throws both a fastball and sinker both over 95 MPH. Has a slider and rarely throws a curve or his circle change. Everything out of the pen is hard thats why is stuff plays up but if he wants to be effective as a starter hes going to need that circle change. Even his curve is pretty hard. I think hes best out of the pen but he does have 5 pitches its an intriguing option. Its very rare for a pitcher who was topping out at 91 to be hitting 97-98. Being in the pen will tick his velo up but not that much. Hes a different pitcher and that sinker has helped him keep the ball in the park his big problem in the past.

[Governator]

I said the same thing to my buddy at the game. Today showed us he has a chance to succeed as a starter again. You don't know what could be if you don't try, he's looked like a different pitcher all year.

 

He'd also be a lot more valuable to us as a starter, what's the harm in giving him a couple ST starts?

[RealAccountant]

I said the same thing to my buddy at the game. Today showed us he has a chance to succeed as a starter again. You don't know what could be if you don't try, he's looked like a different pitcher all year.

 

He'd also be a lot more valuable to us as a starter, what's the harm in giving him a couple ST starts?

 

One can hope Shapiro was impressed

[TheHurl]

If RealAccountant is the dog, does that make his wife... Never mind.

 

One of the board members skin over a real doll...yes it does.

[Candide]

I think the Jays need 2 legit #2-3 starters to have a chance at returning to the playoffs next season. Buehrle, Estrada, and Price gone. That's almost 30 wins from your SP staff that you can't replace internally. I'd go with:

 

SP:

 

Stroman

Zimmerman

Samardzija

Dickey

Sanchez/Osuna

 

closer as Cecil or Hendriks

 

that starting 5 might be equitable to the 2015 squad - and it'll probably cost an incremental £5-10 million a season to nab the two, but I really don't see this squad competing with KC and a revamped NYC/Red Sox team next season unless the Jays get two solid #2-3 guys to replace Estrada/Price/Buehrle/possibly Dickey

[EMK19]

A positive I guess one can take out from a loss of a huge margin like this is that after a team comes off a game scoring 10+ runs, they very, very seldomly repeat anything close to that performance in the following game. It happens, but usually teams don't score anything close to that in following games. This is too difficult of a game to hit ridiculously like that 3-4 games in a row. Royals defied the odds yesterday by scoring 14 after they scored 8 the previous night, but I very much doubt they are going to do it three nights in a row... Their hitters are due for a cold spell. I'm glad they got all that out of the system late in the game last night actually, for this reason.

 

Today I see them scoring 4 runs or less at max. Hopefully our batters can do enough to better that.

[Stangstag]

I think the Jays need 2 legit #2-3 starters to have a chance at returning to the playoffs next season. Buehrle, Estrada, and Price gone. That's almost 30 wins from your SP staff that you can't replace internally. I'd go with:

 

SP:

 

Stroman

Zimmerman

Samardzija

Dickey

Sanchez/Osuna

 

closer as Cecil or Hendriks

 

that starting 5 might be equitable to the 2015 squad - and it'll probably cost an incremental £5-10 million a season to nab the two, but I really don't see this squad competing with KC and a revamped NYC/Red Sox team next season unless the Jays get two solid #2-3 guys to replace Estrada/Price/Buehrle/possibly Dickey

 

I think you are severely undervaluing/underestimating what those 2 will get paid. Zim probably gets around 20mil annual while Shark probably gets something like a 12 million 1 year deal.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

It's pointless to predict the rotation. There is probably like a 90% chance Alex fills out the 2-4 spots via trades involving Revere, Travis/Goins, whatever prospects we have left.

 

They aren't going to take on massive contracts in the rotation when Bats/Edwin are due up the next year.

[KingKat]

A positive I guess one can take out from a loss of a huge margin like this is that after a team comes off a game scoring 10+ runs, they very, very seldomly repeat anything close to that performance in the following game. It happens, but usually teams don't score anything close to that in following games. This is too difficult of a game to hit ridiculously like that 3-4 games in a row. Royals defied the odds yesterday by scoring 14 after they scored 8 the previous night, but I very much doubt they are going to do it three nights in a row... Their hitters are due for a cold spell. I'm glad they got all that out of the system late in the game last night actually, for this reason.

 

Today I see them scoring 4 runs or less at max. Hopefully our batters can do enough to better that.

 

This Kansas City team is really annoying when the babip gods are smilling on them. They are basically a team full of Ben Revere put the ball in play types. As we're seeing with actual Ben Revere, that's hardly a guarantee of success but it's woking really well for them in a small sample. The Jays had 20 points of OBP on KC in the regular season and now in the playoffs, the Royals have 40 points of OBP on the Jays. Just the worst kind of small sample size bad luck but the Harold Reynolds types keeping talking as if Alcides Escobar really was a 1000 OPS hitter. Poetic justice would be for instant dramatic regression. The Kansas City Royals will likely start hitting into outs before the post-season is over but it might not come soon enough for the Jays.

[Candide]

I think you are severely undervaluing/underestimating what those 2 will get paid. Zim probably gets around 20mil annual while Shark probably gets something like a 12 million 1 year deal.

 

nah, that's kind of where I pegged them at in terms of annual salary next season. sorry if i wasn't clear - i'm talking about incremental annual salary to the 2016 staff vs. 2015, keeping in mind the monies freed from not retaining Price ($20MM * 2/5 = $8MM), Buehrle ($20MM), and Estrada ($3.9MM).