What is needed next year so that the Jays keep winning?

[KC Royals]

How about a manager that doesn't sit key starters for several of the last 5 games (4 losses), thereby thwarting any chance at home field advantage during the ALCS?

[jaysfan2014]

As for the Jays, we need 1-2 SP and some bullpen help. Luckily, unlike some clubs, we have some financial flexibility with Buehrle's deal coming off the books, along with the awful Izturis and Ricky Romero contracts. Thole, Saunders and Smoak are non-tender candidates, depending on whether they keep Thole as a backup and RA Dickey's personal catcher (his option's expected to be exercised). Smoak is 50/50 to return, due to Collabello emerging and not even arb eligible yet. Saunders is likely gone, as Revere is likely to return, and Pompey is closing in on the majors.

[BigBounceyBlueBalls]

How about a manager that doesn't sit key starters for several of the last 5 games (4 losses), thereby thwarting any chance at home field advantage during the ALCS?

 

Hey hey You you offa my cloud!!!

 

Friggin Vodka KC Fool !!!

 

Begone from whence ye came from!!!

 

Have a bad Day!!! Lol

[Governator]

How about a manager that doesn't sit key starters for several of the last 5 games (4 losses), thereby thwarting any chance at home field advantage during the ALCS?

 

 

No one wants to talk to you.

[crmr]

They probably need one solid bullpen piece (not a closer just a top tier 7th inning guy), at least one good SP (#2-3), move Osuna to the rotation if possible.

 

Other than that, obviously a competent coach would help, but they won't get rid of Gibbons

[BigCecil]

Hey hey You you offa my cloud!!!

 

Friggin Vodka KC Fool !!!

 

Begone from whence ye came from!!!

 

Have a bad Day!!! Lol

 

I think BBBB said all that needs to be said in his own 'Toon town way.

[baubau]

This offseason will be very interesting. According to MS they will do away with the 5 year rule and attempt to, which I hope unsuccessfully, resign David Price. They also have a lot of payroll coming off the books - Romero, Navarro, Burly - with some solid bumps to other players - Martin, Donaldson. The Pen will need to be "rebuilt" as will the starting rotation. I imagine it'll be a fun offseason!

[baubau]

Also, if Pennington is resigned I fully expect Goins to get traded. His value is higher than it will ever be and this team won't have room for him - Travis, Tulo, Penny - backup and Kawa - backup backup.

[jaysfan2014]

How about a manager that doesn't sit key starters for several of the last 5 games (4 losses), thereby thwarting any chance at home field advantage during the ALCS?

 

Give it up already.. Royals are playing out of their minds right now, and it wouldn't matter regarding home field. Just be happy that the Royals face their window closing fast after 2015, as Gordon and Zobrist are gone and they will also lose Cueto, Rios(not expected to return, as he was horrible this season), Franklin Morales, Madson and Chris Young. And Cain and Moustakas are expected to see their salaries soar.

 

At the moment, the Royals rotation next season has huge questions--Ventura, Medlen, Volquez, and two gaping holes, providing Guthrie's option is not exercised and Vargas is out due to TJS in 2016. Like the Jays, possibly moreso, the Royals gave up a lot of arms to win now, including Aaron Brooks, Brandon Finnegan, John Lamb and Sean Manaea. Outside of Miguel Almonte, the Royals minors, like the Jays, have been stripped of pitching prospects. But the Royals don't have the money to replace them.

[jaysfan2014]

This offseason will be very interesting. According to MS they will do away with the 5 year rule and attempt to, which I hope unsuccessfully, resign David Price. They also have a lot of payroll coming off the books - Romero, Navarro, Burly - with some solid bumps to other players - Martin, Donaldson. The Pen will need to be "rebuilt" as will the starting rotation. I imagine it'll be a fun offseason!

 

It should be interesting. 2 starters, and bullpen arms at least, and hopefully someone other than Price. We're in better shape than the Royals are.. who are losing Cueto, Young, Gordon, Rios and Zobrist, and lack flexibility to add due to their small to mid-market size.

[OBPlover]

Rays: While they have the pitching... for how much longer? This team needs bats.. and replacements at C, SS, 1B (Loney is likely to be traded due to his $9M salary which the Rays can't afford) and the bullpen. Unfortunately, new stadium talks are going nowhere, and unless something happens between now and the end of next season, or attendance improves or they get a good TV deal, a huge fire sale looms, as the payroll is expected to shoot up in 2017 and 2018. Keep an eye on Longoria--rumors had him possibly being targeted by the LA Angels, as they need a 3B with Freese departing via free agency, and it would not be surprising if he is dealt this offseason, as his salary, despite being a steal, is difficult for the Rays to afford when they can't draw 15,000 per game. It's also possible one or two or their arms are dealt for bats as well, possibly out of Karns, Odorizzi, Smyly or Erasmo Ramirez. Archer will stay, as he's on an affordable deal, and Moore needs to rebuild value.

 

The Rays are actually the scariest of the group. This team was decimated by Injuries and some surprisingly weak performances and they still managed a nearly .500 ball club. This team's offense is underrated. They were something like 3rd or 4th in Road OPS, IIRC. They have guys who are sneaky good like Jaso and Forsythe. If they get even a small improvement on health and have Archer-Odorizzi-Smyly-Erasmo-Moore, they have by far the best starting pitching in the division. The Rays could easily win the division next year. They just need some luck.

[BTS]

The Rays are actually the scariest of the group. This team was decimated by Injuries and some surprisingly weak performances and they still managed a nearly .500 ball club. This team's offense is underrated. They were something like 3rd or 4th in Road OPS, IIRC. They have guys who are sneaky good like Jaso and Forsythe. If they get even a small improvement on health and have Archer-Odorizzi-Smyly-Erasmo-Moore, they have by far the best starting pitching in the division. The Rays could easily win the division next year. They just need some luck.

 

Don't forget Alex Cobb!

 

I think we just became best friends.

[jaysfan2014]

The Rays are actually the scariest of the group. This team was decimated by Injuries and some surprisingly weak performances and they still managed a nearly .500 ball club. This team's offense is underrated. They were something like 3rd or 4th in Road OPS, IIRC. They have guys who are sneaky good like Jaso and Forsythe. If they get even a small improvement on health and have Archer-Odorizzi-Smyly-Erasmo-Moore, they have by far the best starting pitching in the division. The Rays could easily win the division next year. They just need some luck.

 

Then you'd better find them some money--they're losing Asdrubal Cabrera and John Jaso to free agency, Forsythe could be dealt due to escalating salary, and the team's current financial situation is bleak, as 2017-18 will see huge bumps to the payroll, far beyond what they can afford. And of course, there's the stadium.. they need to get out of the Trop ASAP, or we're going to see Expos/Marlins-style fire sales soon. No way the team can survive with attendance sub 15000 and dropping.

[jaysfan2014]

Don't forget Alex Cobb!

 

I think we just became best friends.

 

Alex Cobb had TJS in May, and won't be ready until June or so.

[BTS]

Alex Cobb had TJS in May, and won't be ready until June or so.

 

Yes, but why are you telling me this?

[Terminator]

The Rays, Yanks, and Sox could all be good next year. The Jays seem better than all 3 though.

[Terminator]

Yes, but why are you telling me this?

 

Because you were talking about Alex Cobb? lol

[THANOS]

The Indians have Lindor and Kipnis up the middle

 

Shift one of the 3 to 3rd. Any of them are an improvement over Aviles and Urshela. That's a non-issue as using them to man the infield improves their defense and offense exponentially.

[THANOS]

and $94M going to Cleveland? And them dealing Kipnis for a boatload...that might happen

 

That's very possible as well! I wonder if a Tulo for Carrasco trade would actually be even or if one side would have to contribute more? Perhaps Toronto would have to pay some of Tulo's salary and Cleveland would have to add a prospect?

 

What are your thoughts?

[BTS]

That's very possible as well! I wonder if a Tulo for Carrasco trade would actually be even or if one side would have to contribute more? Perhaps Toronto would have to pay some of Tulo's salary and Cleveland would have to add a prospect?

 

What are your thoughts?

 

All things considered, I don't think Tulo is even in the same range of value as Carrasco. You'd probably get a "no thanks" if you offered Cleveland Tulo and his contract for free right now.

[THANOS]

All things considered, I don't think Tulo is even in the same range of value as Carrasco. You'd probably get a "no thanks" if you offered Cleveland Tulo and his contract for free right now.

 

I know Tulo had a poor year by his standards, but does his track record disappear with his 2015 performance? I would think he would still be highly coveted despite the contract. What about Tulo and a sweetener like Revere, would that get it done?

[BTS]

The way I look at it is like this: knowing that they have Lindor, knowing their payroll constraints, and knowing how averse they are to risky long term contracts, if Tulo were a free agent would Cleveland want him at 5/100? I don't even think they'd make a phone call. I really think him at that contract would be of no interest at all to them, let alone at the cost of a legit ace on one of the best contracts in baseball.

[Cyborg]

I know Tulo had a poor year by his standards, but does his track record disappear with his 2015 performance? I would think he would still be highly coveted despite the contract. What about Tulo and a sweetener like Revere, would that get it done?

Revere has no value. We paid nothing almost nothing for him and received over $1M.

[Terminator]

Why the hell are we talking about trading Tulo to Cleveland? He's not getting traded and if he were it would be a big market team.

[AdamGreenwood]

Why the hell are we talking about trading Tulo to Cleveland? He's not getting traded and if he were it would be a big market team.

 

Because he's had a below average six weeks offensively.

Any time a player goes into a slump, that is the best time to trade him. Everybody knows that.

[Terminator]

Because he's had a below average six weeks offensively.

Any time a player goes into a slump, that is the best time to trade him. Everybody knows that.

 

It's about as fruitful of a discussion as talking about trading Russell Martin to Tampa.

[Captain Adama]

The way I look at it is like this: knowing that they have Lindor, knowing their payroll constraints, and knowing how averse they are to risky long term contracts, if Tulo were a free agent would Cleveland want him at 5/100? I don't even think they'd make a phone call. I really think him at that contract would be of no interest at all to them, let alone at the cost of a legit ace on one of the best contracts in baseball.

 

Point was made at Lindor.

[RealAccountant]

I'd like to come back with the same offense on paper minus Smoak. Instead full that hole with Pompey

 

On RHP days have Pompey play RF with Bautista Dhing. This limits Baus time in the OF and allows us to develop Pompey

[Krylian]

Pitching, pitching, pitching

[jaysfan2014]

Why the hell are we talking about trading Tulo to Cleveland? He's not getting traded and if he were it would be a big market team.

 

He has a no-trade clause, and we are a big market team. And considering what we had in Reyes, Tulo is a major upgrade. No chance he's going anywhere. Besides, the Indians are more likely to trade pitching for controllable bats, as they aren't exactly willing to hand out big deals after the Swisher and Bourn albatrosses.