Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[InsideThePark]

It's wild that Tiedemann signed underslot at 91(by a couple thousand) in this past draft and is now a top 100 prospect. Barely top 100 from his draft when drafted(I know picks get punted etc, but given he took a bit less than 91 slot), to top 100 across years of drafts and IFA periods in less than 1 year of development.

 

I think he's well above 100 as well, but the rise has been astronomical.

[Dagagad]

It's wild that Tiedemann signed underslot at 91(by a couple thousand) in this past draft and is now a top 100 prospect. Barely top 100 from his draft when drafted(I know picks get punted etc, but given he took a bit less than 91 slot), to top 100 across years of drafts and IFA periods in less than 1 year of development.

 

I think he's well above 100 as well, but the rise has been astronomical.

 

Velo bumps completely change what a prospect is. Not just the fastball, but harder breaking balls as well. It’s massive.

[max silver]

I don’t know if anyone listens to baseball prospectus ‘there is no off-season’ podcast. I’m catching up and was listening to the may 24 one (ep 98). It’s really interesting if you play fantasy.

 

In the last 5 minutes, they rave about Frasso and Zulueta.

 

Frasso, they seem to like all three pitches, he’s had a velo bump, if he can command (which is his possible weakness) he could ‘explode up rankings’.

 

Zulueta, 4 pitch mix, great stuff, sits upper 90s, not terrible command. The most interesting thing to me was they think he could move fast and even debut this year as a starter or a reliever. They also seem to think that’s he’s a starter but that’s reading between the lines. I’m guessing if he comes up as relief, it’s more necessity and inning limits than him having just reliever stuff.

 

They seem to think Frasso’s stuff is electric because they were talking about him like that after just one start.

 

It will be interesting to see if the front office will be willing to throw these kids into the fire and call them up in a probable pennant race despite their relative lack of professional experience. It appears that each has the raw stuff to retire major league hitters, but whether they can handle the pressure and expectations will be another issue altogether.

[Dagagad]

It will be interesting to see if the front office will be willing to throw these kids into the fire and call them up in a probable pennant race despite their relative lack of professional experience. It appears that each has the raw stuff to retire major league hitters, but whether they can handle the pressure and expectations will be another issue altogether.

 

Zulueta maybe, the others probably no I’d say. Maybe Juenger.

[InsideThePark]

I think Frasso's a pen arm long term so I'd be less hesitant to start his 40 man clock than others. Zulueta as a starter is at least 2 years away so I'm not keen to add him to the pen knowing I'm burning 2 option years to continue his development as a starter in the future.

[Dagagad]

I think Frasso's a pen arm long term so I'd be less hesitant to start his 40 man clock than others. Zulueta as a starter is at least 2 years away so I'm not keen to add him to the pen knowing I'm burning 2 option years to continue his development as a starter in the future.

 

You have to give Frasso at least a year to prove that he’s not a starter.

[keggy]

I think Frasso's a pen arm long term so I'd be less hesitant to start his 40 man clock than others. Zulueta as a starter is at least 2 years away so I'm not keen to add him to the pen knowing I'm burning 2 option years to continue his development as a starter in the future.

 

Just personally I don't mind being more aggressive with Zulueta. He has years of professional experience in Cuba and honestly his health is a ticking time bomb anyways. I say keep pushing him up the system until he proves he can't handle it.

 

Also talk to coaches about his makeup to see how he would handle the pressure of a pennant race, which admittedly would be tremendous. People like David Price could handle it but not everyone can.

[Daniel Labude]

Just personally I don't mind being more aggressive with Zulueta. He has years of professional experience in Cuba and honestly his health is a ticking time bomb anyways. I say keep pushing him up the system until he proves he can't handle it.

 

Also talk to coaches about his makeup to see how he would handle the pressure of a pennant race, which admittedly would be tremendous. People like David Price could handle it but not everyone can.

 

That professional experience at 15-17 years old is very valuable lmao

[Dagagad]

If Zulueta’s stuff and command is there, they’ll keep pushing him. There’s no designated amount of time that he has to stay in the minors.

[Ray]

Joe (CT) Are you concerned by Noelvi Marte's start to the season?

 

Kyle Glaser: Yes. The main concern is how out of shape Marte has gotten. It's affected every part of his game. It's made him a significantly worse defender whose chances of staying at shortstop have basically dropped to zero, his arm stroke has been really ugly and his swing has gone backwards, too. He's going to drop quite a bit in the updated Top 100 coming out this week.

 

Tom (Portland, OR): Hi, Kyle. As a Jays fan I'm particularly starved for outfield prospects, but Gabriel Martinez seems to have a "tweener" vibe to him. Is it too early to slap that label on him?

 

Kyle Glaser: Martinez is slugging .532 as a teenager in the Florida State League. He has plenty of power for a corner, which is where he projects to play. He's not really a tweener at all. He's a potential power-hitting corner outfielder with plenty of bat speed, a projectable frame and enough contact skills to get to his power, although he's a touch aggressive right now and needs to rein that in a bit.

[Deadpool]

It's wild that Tiedemann signed underslot at 91(by a couple thousand) in this past draft and is now a top 100 prospect. Barely top 100 from his draft when drafted(I know picks get punted etc, but given he took a bit less than 91 slot), to top 100 across years of drafts and IFA periods in less than 1 year of development.

 

I think he's well above 100 as well, but the rise has been astronomical.

 

I'm not even sure where to look, but I recall several people suggesting that Tiedmann was a STEAL where the Jays got him.

[InsideThePark]

I'm not even sure where to look, but I recall several people suggesting that Tiedmann was a STEAL where the Jays got him.

 

I don't recall anything about a steal on draft day. A couple months later once reports came out he was throwing 2 or 3 mph harder than he had been that became a topic. Signing a guy for a hair underslot suggests he went right about where he was expected to.

[Krylian]

Great that Tiedemann cracked the top 100. Really liking how our farm system is shaping up. As far as Moreno, what's the timeline on him we think as far as coming up to the Major's?

 

I'm sure his mom is very proud...

 

[Krusty]

I'm sure his mom is very proud...

 

 

Do they need a step dad?

[connorp]

Do they need a step dad?

 

Kinda looks like a gold digger so hopefully you have some cash

[keggy]

That professional experience at 15-17 years old is very valuable lmao

 

I think you're getting a little confused with the years.

[Daniel Labude]

I think you're getting a little confused with the years.

 

Zulueta defected in 2018 when he was 18/19 years old. Signed in 2019 with TJ happening just after. How old was he in pro ball in Cuba?

[Dagagad]

Robberse with a pretty good start. 7ks, 3BB, 1H, 3 ER over 4.2 innings.

 

Fell apart right at the end but pretty good start.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Is Jimmy Burnette a thing?

 

Struck out all 6 batters he faced last night for the C's and now has 38 Ks in 19 innings

 

Everytime you turn around you see another Jays prospect pitcher with an out of this world K/9

 

23 year old drafted in '21

Might move up quick

[Eat My Shatkins]

Gabriel Martinez left the game yesterday after 2 ABs and then didn't play today.

 

Hopefully nothing too serious.

[vaff]

Gabriel Martinez left the game yesterday after 2 ABs and then didn't play today.

 

Hopefully nothing too serious.

 

He left the game mid at bat. Someone else had to finish the AB.

[Daniel Labude]

Orelvis 1-4 tonight. Some really interesting changes. Tonight he had a ground out to 1B, single to RF, and flyout to RF. Looks like focused on going the other way. Last night it looked like he had a shorter leg kick as well. Not as deep of a load

 

Looks like they keep trying to improve on his swing, setup, and approach to make him even better

[Daniel Labude]

[vaff]

Moreno has thrown out 13 of 26 base runners this year.

[Dagagad]

Is tanner morris a guy now? Leftie, plays third and has a 162 wrc+ in double A. 24 so not that young for the level but not old.

[Dagagad]

 

Anyone have the full list?

[Laika]

MIDSEASON

TOP 30 PROSPECTS

Click prospect for player report

1

Gabriel Moreno

Gabriel Moreno

C

2

Orelvis Martinez

Orelvis Martinez

SS/3B

3

Ricky Tiedemann

Ricky Tiedemann

LHP

4

Jordan Groshans

Jordan Groshans

SS/3B

5

Nate Pearson

Nate Pearson

RHP

6

Otto Lopez

Otto Lopez

2B/OF/SS

7

Leo Jimenez

Leo Jimenez

SS

8

Luis Meza

Luis Meza

C

9

Sem Robberse

Sem Robberse

RHP

10

Hayden Juenger

Hayden Juenger

RHP

11

Manuel Beltre

Manuel Beltre

SS

12

Estiven Machado

Estiven Machado

SS

13

Adrian Pinto

Adrian Pinto

SS/2B

14

Irv Carter

Irv Carter

RHP

15

Tanner Morris

Tanner Morris

2B/3B/SS

16

Samad Taylor

Samad Taylor

SS/OF

17

Spencer Horwitz

Spencer Horwitz

1B/OF

18

C.J. Van Eyk

C.J. Van Eyk

RHP

19

Chad Dallas

Chad Dallas

RHP

20

Dahian Santos

Dahian Santos

RHP

21

Kendry Rojas

Kendry Rojas

LHP

22

Yhoangel Aponte

Yhoangel Aponte

OF

23

Adrian Hernandez

Adrian Hernandez

RHP

24

Adam Kloffenstein

Adam Kloffenstein

RHP

25

Hagen Danner

Hagen Danner

RHP

26

Trent Palmer

Trent Palmer

RHP

27

Rikelvin De Castro

Rikelvin De Castro

SS

28

Luis Garcia

Luis Garcia

SS

29

Jean Carlos Joseph

Jean Carlos Joseph

OF

30

Gabriel Martinez

Gabriel Martinez

OF

[gruber92]

Is tanner morris a guy now? Leftie, plays third and has a 162 wrc+ in double A. 24 so not that young for the level but not old.

 

I've been watching him for the past month or so. He should be promoted to AAA this year if he keeps this up, given he's 24. I think he can turn into a quality utility guy.

[Laika]

Here are the May Updates (most of the reports are not updated in the text, only these few)

 

May Update: As noted in Tiedemann’s offseason report the lefthander’s velocity jumped after signing “sitting 94-98 mph in short bursts” up from his 88-91 mph in Juco. Early in 2022 those short bursts have grown into long stretches. As he’s sitting 94-97 mph as a starter going 70-80 pitches per start, with heavy armside run generated from his lower slot. The combination proves a challenge for hitters as they swing and miss against it at a high rate. He pairs his fastball with a sweepy slider in the low-80s with over a foot of gloveside break. His changeup may be his best pitch, as it has heavy armside run, as well as vertical and velocity separation off of his fastball. The changeup is Tiedemann’s second most used pitch and has led to early success in the Florida State League.

 

 

May Update: Pitching exclusively out of the bullpen his draft spring for Missouri State, Juenger showed stuff but few expected when the Blue Jays selected him in the sixth round he’d be starting in Double-A less than a year later. Opposing scouts view Juenger as one of the top players in the system at present and like his velocity and feel for a pair of secondaries. Juenger is sitting 94-96 mph, touching 97 mph on his fastball from a flat vertical approach angle, allowing him to miss bats on his four-seamer. He mixes two mid-80s secondaries in a changeup with heavy arm-side run that grades as his best bat-missing pitch and a slider in the mid 80s with sweep and slight ride. It’s a high-octane pitch mix that has scouts taking notice, as he’s produced solid results despite an aggressive assignment. The Toronto organization showed confidence in Juenger’s abilities by assigning him to Double-A out of camp. He’s been limited to 2-3 innings per outing now as he transitions from a primary reliever to a starter.

 

May Update: Hernandez is a 5-foot-9 reliever who rose three levels in 2021 to reach Double-A as a 21-year-old, striking out 108 batters in 62.1 innings. He pitches around 90-92 mph and touches 95, with a plus changeup that’s his bread-and-butter pitch.

 

May Update: Pitching from an extremely low slot, Palmer has an unusual operation that produces a tremendous amount of horizontal movement on all of his pitches. He struggles to command his slider and changeup consistently, but when he gets each in the zone he’s extremely difficult for hitters to barrel. All of his pitches produce over a foot of horizontal movement, which depending upon the pitch could be to the arm or glove side. If Palmer can tighten up his strike throwing he could develop into a back-end starter, but more than likely he can fit into a multi-inning relief role providing an unusual look out of the pen.

 

May Update: Signed out of Venezuela in 2019, the 19-year-old Martinez has impressed scouts with his bat speed and feel to hit. There’s projectable power in his frame and good barrel control. He shows above-average bat-to-ball skills, but his approach can get aggressive at times as he’s prone to expand the zone. He has enough bat-to-ball skills and power to get by with a certain level of chase, as he’s able to make contact with pitches on the fringes of the zone. He’s a corner outfield-only player with average defensive skills, and is most comfortable in left field. It’s a profile where he’ll have to hit but he has the baseline bat-to-ball skills and bat speed to make it work.

[RustyTrombone]

BA sleeping big time on Zulu and Frasso or just straight up goofed.