Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Daniel Labude]

4th AB

 

Pitch 1- slider away, ball

Pitch 2- fastball away strike (probably a ball)

Pitch 3- curve ball up, ball

Pitch 4- fastball away, ball (should have been a walk)

Pitch 5- fastball outside corner, fouled back

Pitch 6- fastball away (pitch 2 location), fouled back

Pitch 7- fastball outside corner at the knees, good hit ball to 3rd for a ground out

 

*Note* Orelvis did not use the Bo 2 strike no leg kick approach. Had a leg kick on every pitch this AB

 

5th AB

 

Pitch 1- slider away, ball

Pitch 2- fastball outside corner, fouled back

Pitch 3- fastball away, ball

Pitch 4- fastball over the plate, hard hit dropping line drive to LF, tough catch and doubled off the runner to end the game

 

Overall,

 

Very good plate discipline. Only swung at 1 bad pitch. The only swing and miss. Couple of hard hit balls including the HR. Maybe a shift away from the Bo no leg kick on 2 strikes will lead back to a stable acceptable K rate

[Ray]

Tanner Morris with another fantastic day at the plate: 3-for-4 with a 1BB and no K. Season slashline at AA is now .338/.488/.554 with a 1.042 OPS.

 

I'm at the point where I'm at least a little intrigued by what he's doing, despite his age and level. If anyone wants to do some video scouting:

 

 

Seems like a short swing from the left side. Kinda gives me Daniel Murphy vibes. He turned on 96 mph easily in one of those videos, and also smoked a home run to dead centre in another. No idea what his defense is like, but I'm definitely keeping an eye on him.

[John_Havok]

Tanner Morris with another fantastic day at the plate: 3-for-4 with a 1BB and no K. Season slashline at AA is now .338/.488/.554 with a 1.042 OPS.

 

I'm at the point where I'm at least a little intrigued by what he's doing, despite his age and level. If anyone wants to do some video scouting:

 

 

Seems like a short swing from the left side. Kinda gives me Daniel Murphy vibes. He turned on 96 mph easily in one of those videos, and also smoked a home run to dead centre in another. No idea what his defense is like, but I'm definitely keeping an eye on him.

 

Got any radio clips? We do our best scouting without video

[Brownie19]

Tanner Morris with another fantastic day at the plate: 3-for-4 with a 1BB and no K. Season slashline at AA is now .338/.488/.554 with a 1.042 OPS.

 

I'm at the point where I'm at least a little intrigued by what he's doing, despite his age and level. If anyone wants to do some video scouting:

 

 

Seems like a short swing from the left side. Kinda gives me Daniel Murphy vibes. He turned on 96 mph easily in one of those videos, and also smoked a home run to dead centre in another. No idea what his defense is like, but I'm definitely keeping an eye on him.

 

Awesome stuff. Fangraphs lists him as a 2nd/SS/3rd, so he probably isn't great at any of them and will be a utility type guy (which can be super valuable). Love the updates Ray (and LTBG) - keep it up.

[InsideThePark]

Good for Tanner, he's having a great year so far. He's not PK Morris which is also a plus.

[TwistedLogic]

Tanner Morris with another fantastic day at the plate: 3-for-4 with a 1BB and no K. Season slashline at AA is now .338/.488/.554 with a 1.042 OPS.

 

I'm at the point where I'm at least a little intrigued by what he's doing, despite his age and level. If anyone wants to do some video scouting:

 

 

Seems like a short swing from the left side. Kinda gives me Daniel Murphy vibes. He turned on 96 mph easily in one of those videos, and also smoked a home run to dead centre in another. No idea what his defense is like, but I'm definitely keeping an eye on him.

 

That may actually be the worst ballpark I have ever seen.

[Ray]

[Ray]

Notes by Logenhagen on Ricky Tiedemenn, Irv Carter, Eric Pardinho, Manuel Beltre, & Nick Frasso.

 

Eric Pardinho started the game for Toronto and sat 90-91 mph with below-average secondary stuff. It’s nice that he’s healthy and pitching but it’s fine to move on from considering him a prospect at this point. Similarly (I’m getting the bad news out of the way here), I left Florida highly skeptical of shortstop Manuel Beltre, who signed with Toronto for $2.35 million in 2021. Lauded for his drive and grit, there isn’t much in the way of tools here.

 

On to the good stuff, Fort Lauderdale high schooler Irv Carter, Toronto’s 2021 fifth rounder, sat 94-96 mph over two innings of work. He showed three potential impact pitches in the fastball, an upper-80s changeup and a mid-80s slider, but Carter’s arm action is still very long, and while his slider has exciting length, his feel for executing it is not good. This look reinforced his placement in the 35+ FV tier as a good, young, developmental prospect who needs significant polish.

 

That night I continued my Blue Jays looks as their Florida State League (Low-A) affiliate in Dunedin hosted the Twins team from Fort Myers. The starting pitching matchup featured lefty Ricky Tiedemann, Toronto’s 2021 third rounder out of Golden West Junior College (CA), and John Stankiewicz, an undrafted, old-for-level guy who had two dominant outings under his belt entering the evening. Tiedemann began to break out during 2021 instructs, where he showed much more velocity than he had been able to sustain as an amateur. He’s held that into the early portion of 2022 as he mostly sat 95-96 mph this day, and was up to 98.

 

It took him an inning and a half to find any kind of feel for his fastball but he settled in and was dominant for the latter half of his outing, locating his tailing changeup consistently while blowing his fastball past hitters when he needed to. His slider has huge length and horizontal action, so much that it wasn’t all that enticing for hitters because it was so obviously a breaking ball out of his hand. Finding a viable version of this pitch is going to be key for Tiedemann to hit his mid-rotation ceiling, but the fact that he’s such a strapping young guy (he’s still just 19) who looked strong and athletic enough to work a starter’s share of innings, has a fastball with both bat-missing and grounder-inducing utility, and is a lefty with a good changeup are all favorable traits that enable him to project in a rotation.

 

....

 

I was back at the Blue Jays place the following day for more extended spring action, this time against the Phillies (I’m saving my notes on the Phils kids for a followup post on this trip). The revelation on this day, and perhaps the most significant, opinion-altering look of the entire trip, was seeing Blue Jays righty Nick Frasso. Coming out of Loyola Marymount, Frasso was an atypical college draftee, with his prospectdom more about projection than present stuff. He showed an arm strength bump early in 2021 before blowing out and requiring Tommy John in June. He’s not even 11 months clear of the surgery and is already back and throwing every bit as hard as he was in 2021, sitting 94-96 mph and touching 97-98 in this short look.

 

Perhaps more importantly, Frasso’s breaking ball has added power and velocity. Once a loopy, low-80s slurve, Frasso’s slider is now a real mid-80s weapon in the 83-85 mph range. He showed good feel for landing this pitch in the zone for strikes, and he threw one vicious back-foot breaking ball at the end of his outing. He also has a high-spin changeup with lots of horizontal movement, but his feel for that pitch is understandably behind. I’ve moved Frasso from the 35+ FV tier (he had ranked 32nd, with the idea that we wanted to see how he looked coming out of rehab since he was throwing harder prior to blowing out) into the 40+ FV tier on the Jays list, as he now looks likely to be a solid big league reliever given the current state of his stuff, while his developmental context (smaller school prospect with big physical projection, missed reps due to surgery, new breaking ball) allows for abstract projection that might make him an impact big league arm with continued development.

 

Link: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/in-person-scouting-notes-headlined-by-blue-jays-lefty-ricky-tiedemann/

[Brownie19]

Interesting stuff. He suggests Irv Carter's arm action is still very long - and I read that as if that's a bad thing. Can someone explain why that might be and/or what he means by that? I picture a long arm action as a large arm swing (ala Wilmer Font?), but I'm not sure I've seen scouts indicate that's a bad thing.

 

Obviously disappointing to hear Beltre may not be anything (I'd already given up on Eric P.), but good to hear Frasso is back pitching (well).

[Brownie19]

So Jasson Dominguez continues to suck in A-ball. Was he just a hype machine?

[connorp]

So Jasson Dominguez continues to suck in A-ball. Was he just a hype machine?

 

Probably just was all roided up from an early age. Skill becomes more important than roids

[Laika]

So Jasson Dominguez continues to suck in A-ball. Was he just a hype machine?

 

He kind of looks fat now. His swing is so long too.

[John_Havok]

Interesting stuff. He suggests Irv Carter's arm action is still very long - and I read that as if that's a bad thing. Can someone explain why that might be and/or what he means by that? I picture a long arm action as a large arm swing (ala Wilmer Font?), but I'm not sure I've seen scouts indicate that's a bad thing.

 

Obviously disappointing to hear Beltre may not be anything (I'd already given up on Eric P.), but good to hear Frasso is back pitching (well).

 

Long arm action means there’s a higher risk of not repeating the arm slot and release point as consistently as shorter arm actions

[Spanky99]

Interesting stuff. He suggests Irv Carter's arm action is still very long - and I read that as if that's a bad thing. Can someone explain why that might be and/or what he means by that? I picture a long arm action as a large arm swing (ala Wilmer Font?), but I'm not sure I've seen scouts indicate that's a bad thing.

 

Obviously disappointing to hear Beltre may not be anything (I'd already given up on Eric P.), but good to hear Frasso is back pitching (well).

 

Short arm action is defined by elbow extension of less than 120 degrees at hand separation, and long arm action is anything greater than 120 degrees of elbow extension at hand separation...

 

https://tyleranzmann.com/fitness/short-and-long-arm-action-examined/#:~:text=Short%20arm%20action%20is%20defined,elbow%20extension%20at%20hand%20separation.

[Ray]

He kind of looks fat now. His swing is so long too.

 

So Jasson Dominguez continues to suck in A-ball. Was he just a hype machine?

 

Would love it if the Yankees really spent their entire bonus pool to get Kevin Maitan 2.0.

[Daniel Labude]

Notes by Logenhagen on Ricky Tiedemenn, Irv Carter, Eric Pardinho, Manuel Beltre, & Nick Frasso.

 

 

 

Link: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/in-person-scouting-notes-headlined-by-blue-jays-lefty-ricky-tiedemann/

 

That's just a terrible article for the most part

[Krylian]

That's just a terrible article for the most part

 

Agreed.

 

Manuel Beltre is a stiff.

[Laika]

Would love it if the Yankees really spent their entire bonus pool to get Kevin Maitan 2.0.

 

good comp really

[Daniel Labude]

 

Orelvis doing lots of things tonight

 

RBI single, stole 2nd

HBP, stole 3rd

K, called strike 3

Walk, did have an auto ball in the AB

Great play at SS

Error at SS

 

Only through 7 innings so far

[Eat My Shatkins]

Only been 5 innings of AAA so far but 22 year old Adrian Hernandez continues to strike mothaf***as out no matter what the level.

 

14.4 K/9

3.6 BB/9

0.00 ERA

1.50 FIP

2.49 xFIP

[RustyTrombone]

Only been 5 innings of AAA so far but 22 year old Adrian Hernandez continues to strike mothaf***as out no matter what the level.

 

14.4 K/9

3.6 BB/9

0.00 ERA

1.50 FIP

2.49 xFIP

 

Juts wish that kid threw atleast 94 and not 91. He could still be a solid reliever, but his ceiling is limited.

[THANOS]

Juts wish that kid threw atleast 94 and not 91. He could still be a solid reliever, but his ceiling is limited.

 

Kind of like a Trevor Richards type. A velo bump would definitely help.

[RustyTrombone]

Kind of like a Trevor Richards type. A velo bump would definitely help.

 

Yea exactly. Decent middle reliever but not someone whos exactly important.

[Brownie19]

Juts wish that kid threw atleast 94 and not 91. He could still be a solid reliever, but his ceiling is limited.

 

Reminds me a bit of Danny Barnes. Didn't throw hard, but he lit up the minor leagues with high K% and great control, but unfortunately it never really translated in the bigs.

[Krylian]

Yea exactly. Decent middle reliever but not someone whos exactly important.

 

Anyone who can give you a quality inning or two most times is important.

[max silver]

Juts wish that kid threw atleast 94 and not 91. He could still be a solid reliever, but his ceiling is limited.

 

Info I saw from 2021 shows an average of 92.7 MPH so he's not a complete soft tosser.

[RustyTrombone]

Anyone who can give you a quality inning or two most times is important.

 

Ehh idk about that. If you asked me to list guys by their importance to the team Richards would probably be like 20th or lower. In that sense he hardly moves the needle for the team and is easily replaceable.

[RustyTrombone]

Info I saw from 2021 shows an average of 92.7 MPH so he's not a complete soft tosser.

 

Ok I thought he was 90-93. Any idea what his max is? Probably like 95? But still even if he sits 92.7, its still a below average pitch purely velocity wise. Still think he would need to sit 94+ with good spin to be a impact rp.

[Krylian]

Ehh idk about that. If you asked me to list guys by their importance to the team Richards would probably be like 20th or lower. In that sense he hardly moves the needle for the team and is easily replaceable.

 

Have a revisit of our BP last season to see how easy it is to replace an arm that can give you quality innings.

 

I get what you're saying...he's not high leverage guy. But those innings in the 5th and 6th, when your starter doesn't have it, can keep you in the game. They're just not sexy innings.

[max silver]

Ok I thought he was 90-93. Any idea what his max is? Probably like 95? But still even if he sits 92.7, its still a below average pitch purely velocity wise. Still think he would need to sit 94+ with good spin to be a impact rp.

 

I found the velocity readings in a futurejays article, it turns out the numbers were from a small 3 game sample. He maxed out at 94.2 with a minimum of 90.6 so definitely on the lower side for a modern day reliever. This was taken early season so it's possible his velocity may have ticked up a bit as the season progressed. Spin rate isn't great either with average of 2077 RPM over this sample.

 

https://futurebluejays.com/2021/10/16/blue-jays-organizational-all-stars-relievers/