Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Ehjays]

Lol Pirates

 

 

Tyler Glasnow, Austin Meadows, and Shane Baz for Archer, still cant believe that haul.

[Carlos Danger]

Tyler Glasnow, Austin Meadows, and Shane Baz for Archer, still cant believe that haul.

 

And compare that to Halladay.. Insert wailing tears emoji..

[Spanky__99]

And compare that to Halladay.. Insert wailing tears emoji..

 

Different scenario, not even close.

[G-Snarls]

Tyler Glasnow, Austin Meadows, and Shane Baz for Archer, still cant believe that haul.

 

I can. It the Rays.

[Virgil_Hiltz]

I can. It the Rays.

The greatest attribute the Rays GM has regardless who it is they only trade with the most desperate or the dumbest GM in MLB

[Brownie19]

Tyler Glasnow, Austin Meadows, and Shane Baz for Archer, still cant believe that haul.

 

People forget how split most were on this deal at the time. Archer was a stud with lots of control at a dirt cheap price and the shine was off Glasnow and Meadows as prospects. Baz looks dirty.

[RustyTrombone]

People forget how split most were on this deal at the time. Archer was a stud with lots of control at a dirt cheap price and the shine was off Glasnow and Meadows as prospects. Baz looks dirty.

 

I wouldnt call Archer a stud when he got traded. His results were very middle of the pack. His stuff was great and still is but he was under performing his peripherals and the rays chose to sell high on him before the shine wore off as much as it has now.

[Brownie19]

I wouldnt call Archer a stud when he got traded. His results were very middle of the pack. His stuff was great and still is but he was under performing his peripherals and the rays chose to sell high on him before the shine wore off as much as it has now.

 

I mean the results were really good. 2.9, 5.1, 2.9 and 4.5 WAR in the previous 4 years, plus 1.8 WAR in 96 innings the year he was dealt. He was the 9th most valuable pitcher in baseball in 2018. He was 29 when dealt with 2.5 years left at like $10M a season. Don't bring up wins and ERA please.

 

The shine also wore off because he needed thoracic outlet surgery, which he tried to pitch thru in 2019. TB is good - but I don't think they're good enough to trade aces pitchers right before they need major, career altering surgery (maybe we'll find out with Snell!).

[RustyTrombone]

I mean the results were really good. 2.9, 5.1, 2.9 and 4.5 WAR in the previous 4 years, plus 1.8 WAR in 96 innings the year he was dealt. He was the 9th most valuable pitcher in baseball in 2018. He was 29 when dealt with 2.5 years left at like $10M a season. Don't bring up wins and ERA please.

 

The shine also wore off because he needed thoracic outlet surgery, which he tried to pitch thru in 2019. TB is good - but I don't think they're good enough to trade aces pitchers right before they need major, career altering surgery (maybe we'll find out with Snell!).

 

I wasnt bringing up era and wins lmao. His xERA according to baseball savant was like a 3.9-4.0 or something in 16 and 17 and higher in 18 when he got traded. He simply was not pitching like an ace before he got traded and hadnt for years. To try and categorize him as a "stud" and "ace" is just flat out wrong.

 

His contract was extremely valuable and his potential was very high but his results were very middling. And why wouldnt a team have the inside track on whether a pitcher they had years and years of medical information on was about to get hurt and trade him before? Its happened before.

[Ray]

Blue Jays announce minor league coaches and player development staff. I thought it was pretty cool that each affiliate will have a dedicated dietician, mental performance coach, and strength and conditioning coach.

 

[Jimcanuck]

So Bobby Witt Jr. is the real deal? Wasted with the f***ing Royals

[bendera3]

Blue Jays announce minor league coaches and player development staff. I thought it was pretty cool that each affiliate will have a dedicated dietician, mental performance coach, and strength and conditioning coach.

 

I imagine with less teams the organization reinvested the money saved on those positions. It would make sense.

[Laika]

https://www.mlb.com/news/prospect-statcast-standouts-in-spring-training?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

 

Average fastball velocity (min. 10 pitches)

Blue Jays RHP Nate Pearson, 98.4 mph -- Was there any doubt? MLB Pipeline's No. 10 overall prospect is known to pump plenty of gas, and that didn't change in his March 1 start against the Pirates. Pearson threw heaters on 21 of his 28 pitches and touched as high as 99.9 on the Statcast radar gun. Including last year's time in the Majors, that would be tied for his sixth-hardest-thrown pitch measured by Statcast so far. Unfortunately, it will be a while longer until we see the 6-foot-6 right-hander pumping gas again. He suffered a Grade 1 strain of his right groin in that one Grapefruit League appearance, and the Blue Jays did not have an immediate timetable for the righty's return. He extended his long-toss program to 120 feet this week, so there is optimism on that front. Getting Pearson's 80-grade heater in the rotation would be a big piece of helping Toronto track down New York and Tampa Bay in the AL East. (Speaking of the AL East, Yankees right-hander Albert Abreu has the highest velocity on a single fastball so far this spring at 100.4 mph.)

 

Top Prospects: Nate Pearson

Jan 15, 2021 · 0:51

Top Prospects: Nate Pearson

Average fastball and curveball spin rates (min. 10 pitches)

Blue Jays RHP Joey Murray -- Yes, Murray is tops in both categories, making the 24-year-old right-hander someone worth following in the weeks leading up to Opening Day. Murray's fastball has averaged 2,706 rpm (fourth-best this spring) while his curve is tops among all Spring Training pitchers at 3,105 rpm. The sample remains small; Murray has thrown only 24 fastballs and 10 curves, but this lines up with previous reports on the Toronto hurler's stuff. The 2018 eighth-rounder gets great extension from his 6-foot-2 frame, and the spin on the fastball makes it play up significantly despite averaging only 90.8 mph this spring because it's so difficult for hitters to pick up. Add in a high-spin curve, and it's not hard to see how Murray fanned 169 in 137 1/3 innings across two Class A levels and Double-A in 2019. The Jays want to keep him as a starter, but these two pitches alone could make him useful out of the Major League bullpen quickly.

 

Catcher arm strength

Blue Jays C Gabriel Moreno, 81.1 mph -- Make it a trio of Toronto prospects that Statcast has already shined on in 2021. There has been plenty of attention paid to Blue Jays catching prospect Alejandro Kirk coming off his Major League stint last season, but Moreno has tried to make the most of his own opportunities in Spring Training looks. One such chance came Sunday when Tigers outfielder JaCoby Jones attempted to steal second base. Moreno's pop time of 2.01 was on the average side, but his throw that measured at 81.1 mph was better. (Jones still successfully swiped second.) That one toss was equal to the Major League-best average catcher arm strength put up by Brewers backstop Manny Piña last season. Moreno, who is entering only his age-21 season, draws strong reviews for his athleticism that can help with his work behind the plate, and it was on display here.

[Carlos Danger]

So Bobby Witt Jr. is the real deal? Wasted with the f***ing Royals

 

Royals are going to be good.

[Brownie19]

https://www.mlb.com/news/prospect-statcast-standouts-in-spring-training?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

 

Average fastball velocity (min. 10 pitches)

Blue Jays RHP Nate Pearson, 98.4 mph -- Was there any doubt? MLB Pipeline's No. 10 overall prospect is known to pump plenty of gas, and that didn't change in his March 1 start against the Pirates. Pearson threw heaters on 21 of his 28 pitches and touched as high as 99.9 on the Statcast radar gun. Including last year's time in the Majors, that would be tied for his sixth-hardest-thrown pitch measured by Statcast so far. Unfortunately, it will be a while longer until we see the 6-foot-6 right-hander pumping gas again. He suffered a Grade 1 strain of his right groin in that one Grapefruit League appearance, and the Blue Jays did not have an immediate timetable for the righty's return. He extended his long-toss program to 120 feet this week, so there is optimism on that front. Getting Pearson's 80-grade heater in the rotation would be a big piece of helping Toronto track down New York and Tampa Bay in the AL East. (Speaking of the AL East, Yankees right-hander Albert Abreu has the highest velocity on a single fastball so far this spring at 100.4 mph.)

 

Top Prospects: Nate Pearson

Jan 15, 2021 · 0:51

Top Prospects: Nate Pearson

Average fastball and curveball spin rates (min. 10 pitches)

Blue Jays RHP Joey Murray -- Yes, Murray is tops in both categories, making the 24-year-old right-hander someone worth following in the weeks leading up to Opening Day. Murray's fastball has averaged 2,706 rpm (fourth-best this spring) while his curve is tops among all Spring Training pitchers at 3,105 rpm. The sample remains small; Murray has thrown only 24 fastballs and 10 curves, but this lines up with previous reports on the Toronto hurler's stuff. The 2018 eighth-rounder gets great extension from his 6-foot-2 frame, and the spin on the fastball makes it play up significantly despite averaging only 90.8 mph this spring because it's so difficult for hitters to pick up. Add in a high-spin curve, and it's not hard to see how Murray fanned 169 in 137 1/3 innings across two Class A levels and Double-A in 2019. The Jays want to keep him as a starter, but these two pitches alone could make him useful out of the Major League bullpen quickly.

 

Catcher arm strength

Blue Jays C Gabriel Moreno, 81.1 mph -- Make it a trio of Toronto prospects that Statcast has already shined on in 2021. There has been plenty of attention paid to Blue Jays catching prospect Alejandro Kirk coming off his Major League stint last season, but Moreno has tried to make the most of his own opportunities in Spring Training looks. One such chance came Sunday when Tigers outfielder JaCoby Jones attempted to steal second base. Moreno's pop time of 2.01 was on the average side, but his throw that measured at 81.1 mph was better. (Jones still successfully swiped second.) That one toss was equal to the Major League-best average catcher arm strength put up by Brewers backstop Manny Piña last season. Moreno, who is entering only his age-21 season, draws strong reviews for his athleticism that can help with his work behind the plate, and it was on display here.

 

That's good news on Moreno as someone posted a video of him a few months ago and his arm looked below average IIRC.

[Ray]

MLB.com released their Blue Jays Top 30: https://www.mlb.com/prospects/bluejays/

 

#7 ranked farm system according to MLB Pipeline

[Spanky__99]

Team Rank Breakdown...

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/blue-jays-top-30-prospects-list-2021-preseason?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage

[BlueRocky]

MLB.com released their Blue Jays Top 30: https://www.mlb.com/prospects/bluejays/

 

#7 ranked farm system according to MLB Pipeline

 

BA had a similar ranking and Jays were #3 on their list.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/2021-mlb-organization-talent-rankings/

 

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Toronto Blue Jays

Notes:

2020: 6 | 2019: 3 | 2018: 8 | 2017: 20 | 2016: 24 | 2015: 9 | 2014: 15

 

 

Top 100 Prospects (6): RHP Nate Pearson (14), SS Austin Martin (19), SS Jordan Groshans (34), RHP Simeon Woods Richardson (69), C Alejandro Kirk (70), SS Orelvis Martinez (96)

 

 

The Skinny: The Blue Jays' system has a mix of impact talent and depth throughout the organization, from players who should be 2021 contributors down to emerging talent at the lower levels. Nate Pearson is a potential frontline starter in the No. 1 spot, but the greatest strength of the system is its hitters, particularly in the infield and behind the plate.

[Spanky__99]

BA had a similar ranking and Jays were #3 on their list.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/2021-mlb-organization-talent-rankings/

 

Paywall, bro.

[BlueRocky]

I can upload BA content on request, it’s just they intentionally make the formatting unfriendly for copy & paste.

 

BA’s organizational rankings list (Feb 10, 2021)

 

1. TB Rays

2. Mariners

3. Blue Jays

4. Tigers

5. Braves

6. Padres

7. Orioles

8. Twins

9. Dodgers

10. Cleveland

 

11. Marlins

12. Cardinals

13. Pirates

14. Royals

15. Giants

16. Dbacks

17. Cubs

18. Yankees

19. Reds

20. Red Sox

 

21. White Sox

22. Angels

23. Mets

24. Rangers

25. Rockies

26. Astros

27. Phillies

28. Brewers

29. A’s

30. Nationals

[Spanky__99]

Oh yes, this was posted back then, thanks.

[AdamGreenwood]

Pretty amazing that the Jays are ranked third considering all the talent the Jays have recently pulled out of the minors: Guerrero, Bichette, Biggio etc.

[TheHurl]

Royals are going to be good.

 

I suppose Dayton Moore has to die some day

[BlueRocky]

Pretty amazing that the Jays are ranked third considering all the talent the Jays have recently pulled out of the minors: Guerrero, Bichette, Biggio etc.

 

A few factors play into the BA’s evaluation on the Blue Jay’s current farm system:

 

- Austin Martin falling to their lap at #5

- Nate Pearson is still qualified as a prospect

- BA staff are very high on Groshans though some other lists have him lower

- Alejandro Kirk and Orelvis Martinez getting their Top 100 nods from BA evaluators

- Gabriel Moreno demolished at the ATS and instructs looking like a stud

- Alek Manoah still flashing premium stuff he showed in Vancouver

- Only positive stuff coming from Simeon WR reports

- Overall Blue Jays have 6 top 100 prospects on the current BA 100 list, and three guys trending up in Manoah, Moreno, and Kloffenstein

[Spanky__99]

The Oakland A's are the Reds of LOD. lol

[Laika]

The Oakland A's are the Reds of LOD. lol

 

Explain this

[Spanky__99]

Explain this

 

Good team... poopey farm.

[Brownie19]

I have to think anyone publishing a prospect list is going to shoot Manoah up the rankings if they caught either of his STing starts. I know it's a SSS, but f*** me. Kid dominated.

[Ray]

I have to think anyone publishing a prospect list is going to shoot Manoah up the rankings if they caught either of his STing starts. I know it's a SSS, but f*** me. Kid dominated.

 

Keith Law and Baseball-Prospectus already have him on their 2021 Top 100.

 

There are a ton of prospects on this years lists that barely had prospect status due to the shortened season. My guess is Manoah will included in all lists the moment all of them graduate early in the season.

[Brownie19]

Keith Law and Baseball-Prospectus already have him on their 2021 Top 100.

 

There are a ton of prospects on this years lists that barely had prospect status due to the shortened season. My guess is Manoah will included in all lists the moment all of them graduate early in the season.

 

Any guesses on where he lands on Top 100 lists by the end of this season? I think there's a chance he's Top 30 (although my Jays bias might be strong).