Official MiLB/Prospects Thread

[Captain Adama]

IIRC Mike Trout does that same type of training.

 

Yeah, Trout sprinting with a loaded barbell on his neck.

 

It's f***ing dumb, there are better workouts that will improve performance more and won't result in severe injury. I sure hope the Angels' trainers put a stop to that ********.

Edited December 23, 2018 by Captain Adama

[Orgfiller]

It will be tough to do that IMO. Burnett pitched in a different era where he was able to neutralize LHBs with a sinker. Nowadays, the LHBs will put that sinker in the stands. His curveball was also more useful against LHB, I think. Kind of like Charlie Morton's, a big sweeper.

 

Just going off SRF's small sample size, his slider appears elite. And he has nothing else. It's very reliever-ish.

 

As far as potential offerings, the four seamer doesn't have a high spin rate so I'm not sure that becomes a go-to pitch against LHBs. I think he's going to have to come up with something out of nowhere at this point. Either a change or a 12-6 breaker.

 

He probably will get a lot of RHBs out. I think the Rays would use an opener to go through top of the order LHBs, for example.

 

I'm surprised you say this, I think his fastball is an elite pitch, the number of swings and misses that he generated from it were extremely high, and he actually generated more against lefties with it*. Obviously he needs to locate it consistently, that's a must if he's to stick as a successful starter, but even in its current wild state it's an excellent pitch. I agree that the slider is very good and then he doesn't have much else to offer, although I think the change has some decent movement and he'll just need to command it as well, I'd say it has some potential as a viable third offering. I wonder if learning a cutter to complement the fastball and slider would be good for him to use against lefties.

 

*in a small sample size of course

[Spanky__99]

Yeah, Trout sprinting with a loaded barbell on his neck.

 

It's f***ing dumb, there are better workouts that will improve performance more and won't result in severe injury. I sure hope the Angels' trainers put a stop to that ********.

 

I remember that, so much cringe, he's not still doing that is he?

[Carlos Danger]

I hope to f***ing god he isn't doing crosshit. The last thing we need his him getting injured.

 

What he is doing in the video is Crossfit. It is core strength centric.

 

The interesting thing is: The guys with millions of dollars are using rudimentary items available to persons who might not ever be able to afford a gym.

 

Shapiro is boasting about the gym space expansion in the Dunedin renovation plan, so more guys can work out at once. When in reality, these elite mejor leagers really only need a field or some big back yard for a lot of this.

 

More stuff available at Home Depot and Tire Kingdom then in a gym😉

[Orgfiller]

The fastball had a great whiff rate but also got hammered. Hitters slugged it at .607 according to Baseballsavant. The command is shaky which is what scares me. The reason I cited spin rate is that usually that lets you get away with mistakes. Verlander can miss middle/middle and get a foul back. I think SRF gets it taken deep, like a normal pitcher.

 

If he commands it, I think it's a good pitch. But I'm guessing he has to command it at the top of the zone which is a weird tunnel for his slider to follow against LHB.

 

He definitely needs a cutter or a 4 seam change or a 12-6. Like what does he throw to a LHB when it's 2-0? He has nothing. It's a challenge fastball. It's hard to pitch like that. It's very Aaron Sanchez-y.

 

I can't think of a lot of RHP that just go fastball/slider every AB. Maybe a good comp would be Foltynewicz? That guy got rocked by LHB for years, I wonder how he turned it around last year. Obviously he has a little more velo than SRF. Chris Archer perhaps. Would have to up his slider usage though.

 

I see what you mean, I think it all comes down to command like and you and I agree on. I think for some of those elite pitchers that you mentioned, yes it's a factor of the spin rate, but also the fact that they feature premium velocity, elite secondaries and excellent command of all their pitches that makes them get away with a middle-middle mistake every now and then. If Reid-Foley improves his command substantially to where both the fastball and slider are both consistent, then I think he too can avoid getting crushed and get away with a mistake or two; the fact is that he just doesn't really know where the ball is going a lot of the time, and this obviously needs to be improved.

 

As far as two pitch starters go, I can think of many of the game's elite and other good pitchers that feature such a mix: Archer, Lance McCullers (though his is curveball/fastball), Foltynewicz, Patrick Corbin, Luis Severino to name a few. There are varying factors to their success, but they can get by with pretty much a two-pitch mix with a rare third pitch mixed in to give hitters a different look.

[Captain Adama]

What he is doing in the video is Crossfit. It is core strength centric.

 

The interesting thing is: The guys with millions of dollars are using rudimentary items available to persons who might not ever be able to afford a gym.

 

Shapiro is boasting about the gym space expansion in the Dunedin renovation plan, so more guys can work out at once. When in reality, these elite mejor leagers really only need a field or some big back yard for a lot of this.

 

More stuff available at Home Depot and Tire Kingdom then in a gym

 

Sure, all you need is something heavy if you want to increase strength at the very end of it. However, it's still much easier to go to a gym where there's equipment where you can easily lift progressively more weight as strength increases, instead of trying to find a bigger stone in a field.

 

Also, crossfit is not just about core strength, it's main thing is that it can increase peak strength and endurance strength to elite levels. Reality does not support that, Crossfit is literally just expensive circuit training, with a much higher risk of rhabdo and/or injury. No way would I want a multi-million dollar investment in a player go to waste because he did a stupid training program that led to injury.

[King]

 

 

 

 

 

(Luis Gil, Nick Nelson, Deivi Garcia, Tanner Myatt, Clarke Schmidt)

[Todd]

Vlad Guerrero

Bo Bichette

Dan Jansen

Nate Pearson

Sean Reid Foley

Ryan Borucki

Eric Pardinho

Kevin Smith

Jordan Groshans

Cavan Biggio

Hector Perez

Orelvis Martinez

Miguel Hiraldo

Adam Kloffenstein

Tj Zeuch

David Paulino

Billy Mckinney

Yennsy Diaz

Patrick Murphy

Richard Urena

Rowdy Tellez

Forest Wall

Santiago Espinal

Sean Wyman

Leonard Jimenez

Justin Maese

Hagan Danner

Ryan Noda

Logan Warmoth

Chad Spanberger

Riley Adams

Thomas Pannone

Elvis Lucaino

Griffin Conine

Josh Winckowski

Chavez Young

Joshua Palacios

Alejandro Kirk

Gabriel Moreno

Anthony Alford

Ryan Gold

Samad Taylor

Randy Pondler

Dominic Abbadessa

Maxim Castillo

Mc Gregory Contreras

Kevin Vicuna

Yeltsin Gudino

Zach Logue

Reggie Pruitt

Demi O

Reese Mcguire

Jordan Barrett

Nicolas Medina

Maverik Buffo

Otto Lopez

Marcus Reyes

Brock Lundquist

Cal Stevenson

Tanner Kirwer

Ty Tice

Dj Neal

Jose Theran

Austin Havekost

Andy Mcguire

Will Mcaffer

Yunior Hinojosa

Anderson Nunez

Brad Wilson

Kelyn Jose

Joseph Reyes

Bryan Lizardo

Cobi Johnson

Nick Alleyer

Fitz Stadler

Cre Finfrock

Cullen Large

Brandon Bouchey

Josh Hiatt

Sterling Guzman

Addison Berger

Steward Berroa

Luis de los Santos

Roither Hernandez

Nathanael Perez

Ronald Govea

Felipe Castaneda

Adrain Hernandez

Pedro Padilla

Franniel Palanco

Alberto Rodriquez

Erickivi Celedonio

Jol Concepcion

Hugo Cardona

Emmanuel Sanchez

Amell Brazoban

Naswell Paulino

Gabriel Martinez

Jhon Solarte

[Grant77]

Vlad Guerrero

Bo Bichette

Dan Jansen

Nate Pearson

Sean Reid Foley

Ryan Borucki

Eric Pardinho

Kevin Smith

Jordan Groshans

Cavan Biggio

Hector Perez

Orelvis Martinez

Miguel Hiraldo

Adam Kloffenstein

Tj Zeuch

David Paulino

Billy Mckinney

Yennsy Diaz

Patrick Murphy

Richard Urena

Rowdy Tellez

Forest Wall

Santiago Espinal

Sean Wyman

Leonard Jimenez

Justin Maese

Hagan Danner

Ryan Noda

Logan Warmoth

Chad Spanberger

Riley Adams

Thomas Pannone

Elvis Lucaino

Griffin Conine

Josh Winckowski

Chavez Young

Joshua Palacios

Alejandro Kirk

Gabriel Moreno

Anthony Alford

Ryan Gold

Samad Taylor

Randy Pondler

Dominic Abbadessa

Maxim Castillo

Mc Gregory Contreras

Kevin Vicuna

Yeltsin Gudino

Zach Logue

Reggie Pruitt

Demi O

Reese Mcguire

Jordan Barrett

Nicolas Medina

Maverik Buffo

Otto Lopez

Marcus Reyes

Brock Lundquist

Cal Stevenson

Tanner Kirwer

Ty Tice

Dj Neal

Jose Theran

Austin Havekost

Andy Mcguire

Will Mcaffer

Yunior Hinojosa

Anderson Nunez

Brad Wilson

Kelyn Jose

Joseph Reyes

Bryan Lizardo

Cobi Johnson

Nick Alleyer

Fitz Stadler

Cre Finfrock

Cullen Large

Brandon Bouchey

Josh Hiatt

Sterling Guzman

Addison Berger

Steward Berroa

Luis de los Santos

Roither Hernandez

Nathanael Perez

Ronald Govea

Felipe Castaneda

Adrain Hernandez

Pedro Padilla

Franniel Palanco

Alberto Rodriquez

Erickivi Celedonio

Jol Concepcion

Hugo Cardona

Emmanuel Sanchez

Amell Brazoban

Naswell Paulino

Gabriel Martinez

Jhon Solarte

 

You're a gem, Todd.

[Krylian]

Borucki's not a prospect anymore. Ie. He's not a rookie.

[Todd]

Ryan Borucki has not made the team yet. And is still 23.

September and October does not count because most

teams are playing rookies.

[Carlos Danger]

Ryan Borucki has not made the team yet. And is still 23.

September and October does not count because most

teams are playing rookies.

 

Borucki was pitching in June and July... He was not a September call up?? He was statistically our best SP pitcher last year. The numbers and eye test..

 

If anyone deserves a spot, based on last years performance and not years prior to last year, it is Ryan..

[Krylian]

Ryan Borucki has not made the team yet. And is still 23.

September and October does not count because most

teams are playing rookies.

 

What criteria are you using then?

 

Should Gurriel be on the list cause he's still young? The typical criteria used are once a player loses his rookie eligibility, they drop off a prospect list.

[Laika]

Great list, Todd.

 

Ryan Noda is too high and Chad Spamburger is too low, but other than that not much to comment on. I would swap Reggie Pruitt (don't like the look of him) with Cullen Large.

[Brownie19]

Why are you so down on Cre Finfrock?

[Brownie19]

I can't wait to see if Cal Stevenson is for real or not.

[jays4life19]

I predict Alford will be somewhere between 39 and 41 on the list.

 

^ Nailed it

[Brownie19]

^ Nailed it

 

jeeezz, I wonder why.

[The Cats Ass]

Vlad Guerrero

Bo Bichette

Dan Jansen

Nate Pearson

Sean Reid Foley

Ryan Borucki

Eric Pardinho

Kevin Smith

Jordan Groshans

Cavan Biggio

Hector Perez

Orelvis Martinez

Miguel Hiraldo

Adam Kloffenstein

Tj Zeuch

David Paulino

Billy Mckinney

Yennsy Diaz

Patrick Murphy

Richard Urena

Rowdy Tellez

Forest Wall

Santiago Espinal

Sean Wyman

Leonard Jimenez

Justin Maese

Hagan Danner

Ryan Noda

Logan Warmoth

Chad Spanberger

Riley Adams

Thomas Pannone

Elvis Lucaino

Griffin Conine

Josh Winckowski

Chavez Young

Joshua Palacios

Alejandro Kirk

Gabriel Moreno

Anthony Alford

Ryan Gold

Samad Taylor

Randy Pondler

Dominic Abbadessa

Maxim Castillo

Mc Gregory Contreras

Kevin Vicuna

Yeltsin Gudino

Zach Logue

Reggie Pruitt

Demi O

Reese Mcguire

Jordan Barrett

Nicolas Medina

Maverik Buffo

Otto Lopez

Marcus Reyes

Brock Lundquist

Cal Stevenson

Tanner Kirwer

Ty Tice

Dj Neal

Jose Theran

Austin Havekost

Andy Mcguire

Will Mcaffer

Yunior Hinojosa

Anderson Nunez

Brad Wilson

Kelyn Jose

Joseph Reyes

Bryan Lizardo

Cobi Johnson

Nick Alleyer

Fitz Stadler

Cre Finfrock

Cullen Large

Brandon Bouchey

Josh Hiatt

Sterling Guzman

Addison Berger

Steward Berroa

Luis de los Santos

Roither Hernandez

Nathanael Perez

Ronald Govea

Felipe Castaneda

Adrain Hernandez

Pedro Padilla

Franniel Palanco

Alberto Rodriquez

Erickivi Celedonio

Jol Concepcion

Hugo Cardona

Emmanuel Sanchez

Amell Brazoban

Naswell Paulino

Gabriel Martinez

Jhon Solarte

 

Who are a few of the more interesting names that just missed making the list?

[Todd]

William Gonzalez

Jose Cabrera

Rainer Nunez

Eliezer Bello

Adrian Ramos

Yhordegny Kelly

Juan Diaz

Troy Watson

Adams Cuevas

Hector Guerrero

Jesus Severino

[Dr. Dinger]

Ryan Noda is too high.

 

You think Ryan Noda as the Jays 27th best prospect is too high? Boxy is going to take him Top 5 in the 2019 DDL prospect draft.

[Daniel Labude]

You think Ryan Noda as the Jays 27th best prospect is too high? Boxy is going to take him Top 5 in the 2019 DDL prospect draft.

 

I'm a big fan of Noda. I'd say he is top 20 for us

[Todd]

As of right now the jays are to deep for him to be in the top20.

[Daniel Labude]

As of right now the jays are to deep for him to be in the top20.

 

Ryan Borucki-non rookie

David Paulino

Billy McKinney-almost a non rookie but is barely

Yennsy Diaz

Patrick Murphy

Richard Urena-non rookie

Rowdy Tellez

Forest Wall

Santiago Espinal

Sean Wyman

Leonard Jimenez

Justin Maese

Hagan Danner

 

 

Noda is already better than these prospects and 2 should no longer be included in prospect lists imo.

[Daniel Labude]

If I was ranking a top 16 it would be

 

Vladito

Bichette

Pearson

Jansen

Pardinho

Orelvis Martinez

Kevin Smith

SRF

Groshans

Hiraldo

Noda

Biggio

Kloffenstein

McKinney

Spanberger

Lucaino

[Jimcanuck]

lol, Alford battled injuries through 2018, he's top 20 easily

[Todd]

He's always battling something. Five straight years

Has to work his way back to top 30. And 220 batting

ave isn't going to cut it. Or time for new team

[Captain Adama]

lol, Alford battled injuries through 2018, he's top 20 easily

 

Alford pretty much played the whole season this year. He just flat out sucked.

 

He's probably still top 20, but chances of him being a non zero at this point are pretty low.

[Jimcanuck]

Alford pretty much played the whole season this year. He just flat out sucked.

 

He's probably still top 20, but chances of him being a non zero at this point are pretty low.

 

He played hurt, apparently. A healthy Alford should regain the 2017 form that made him hit as high as #25 on non-todd prospect lists.

[Captain Adama]

He played hurt, apparently. A healthy Alford should regain the 2017 form that made him hit as high as #25 on non-todd prospect lists.

 

And being healthy is a skill that Alford apparently doesn't have.