Ryan Goins Can Stick?

[nextyear]

I noticed that in the 3rd game against Cleveland after the walk-off home run in the 2nd game that Goins appeared to be going back to his old ways by over-swinging in his first 3 at-bats. In his first 3 at-bats he had a fly out and 2 strikeouts. Luckily Goins seemed to realize what he was doing and in his 4th at-bat got a base hit up the middle to extend his hitting streak.

 

It will be interesting to see over the weekend if Goins maintains his plate discipline and doesn't try to do too much at the plate (such as trying to hit home runs).

[flafson]

I noticed that in the 3rd game against Cleveland after the walk-off home run in the 2nd game that Goins appeared to be going back to his old ways by over-swinging in his first 3 at-bats. In his first 3 at-bats he had a fly out and 2 strikeouts. Luckily Goins seemed to realize what he was doing and in his 4th at-bat got a base hit up the middle to extend his hitting streak.

 

It will be interesting to see over the weekend if Goins maintains his plate discipline and doesn't try to do too much at the plate (such as trying to hit home runs).

 

Not sure I agree, he actually had a couple of good swings that resulted in fly outs. No idea if they were balls or strikes as I was in the game but the swings were good.

[Boxcar]

Why trade him for a useful piece when he IS a useful piece. Pitching and defense win when the chips are down and his defense is stellar. He gets to balls that other players have no chance at and he turns the DP as well as anyone in the game. The team doesn't depend on offense from his position, so the value he gives them on defense is amplified huge. He's a defensive run saver and a momentum killer. ANY offense he gives our team is simply a bonus. On top of that, as others have mentioned, he is a capable SS who can give some days rest at that position without sacrificing defensive integrity.

 

He is a valuable asset. Trading him for another one makes no sense considering the limited return we would get.

 

Ryan Goins fills a need for MIF depth at a low cost as a very good bench player. Let's trade him to some sucker for an ace. Or just trade him in general because reasons.

[Sorrow]

Ryan Goins fills a need for MIF depth at a low cost as a very good bench player. Let's trade him to some sucker for an ace. Or just trade him in general because reasons.

 

I have no issue with Goins being on the team as a bench piece, but if they think his recent run is his true talent and do something stupid like move Travis off second or trade him I'd be a bit annoyed.

[RealAccountant]

Another 2 for 3 day for Goins.....discuss

[Sorrow]

Another 2 for 3 day for Goins.....discuss

 

Happy that he's contributing, still missing Travis.

[GD]

Guys. He hit 90 wRC+.

[HERPDERP]

Guys. He hit 90 wRC+.

 

for a shortstop, that is darn good.

[Orgfiller]

for a shortstop, that is darn good.

 

I don't know what games you're watching but he plays 2B mainly.

[dineke]

I don't know what games you're watching but he plays 2B mainly.

 

Most likely meant for a guy who can play ss.

[TBJESE]

I don't know what games you're watching but he plays 2B mainly.

Right, but when you're talking about the value of a player, it's more important to consider the positions he can play play rather than the positions he is playing.

[BigCecil]

Another 2 for 3 day for Goins.....discuss

 

Doing a great job. Actually enjoy his ABs now. Last couple gms on D he hasn't looked as smooth as he usually does.

 

Travis > Goins

[flafson]

In the 1st half he had 0.2 WAR and in the 2nd half he has 1.3 WAR already.

In the 1st half he had 60 wRC+ in 211 PA's and in the 2nd half he has 138 wRC+ in 121 PA's.

 

Here is how he fares in the 2nd half compared to other 2B in the league with a minimum of 100 PA.

 

http://i.imgur.com/7718Z3S.png

[nextyear]

In the 1st half he had 0.2 WAR and in the 2nd half he has 1.3 WAR already.

In the 1st half he had 60 wRC+ in 211 PA's and in the 2nd half he has 138 wRC+ in 121 PA's.

 

Here is how he fares in the 2nd half compared to other 2B in the league with a minimum of 100 PA.

 

http://i.imgur.com/7718Z3S.png

 

 

Interesting stat, especially since it includes the NL and AL. Also, Goins did a WAR of 1.3 in fewer games than the others ahead of him.

 

It is unlikely that Goins could do it for 150 games over a full season; if he could he would be a 5.5 WAR player (1.3 x 150/35)

Edited September 6, 2015 by nextyear

[GD]

It's really going to come down to if he can continue walking at a 9-10% rate.

[nextyear]

It's really going to come down to if he can continue walking at a 9-10% rate.

 

It is unlikely that Goins could perform at the 2nd half level for 150 games over a full season; if he could he would be a 5.5 WAR player (1.3 x 150/35). However, if Goins can play at a 2.5 - 3.0 WAR over 150 games there are probably teams in the MLB who would want him as their regular 2nd baseman or SS.

[Stangstag]

It is unlikely that Goins could perform at the 2nd half level for 150 games over a full season; if he could he would be a 5.5 WAR player (1.3 x 150/35). However, if Goins can play at a 2.5 - 3.0 WAR over 150 games there are probably teams in the MLB who would want him as their regular 2nd baseman or SS.

 

Goins could probably be a 1.5 - 2 WAR shortstop over 160 games. That's not bad.

[TheHurl]

Anyone else remember the Summer of 2005? At least fans had minor league number reasons to believe in things that .329/.427/.380 month.

[Caper]

Goins is the best defensive 2nd baseman in bluejays history.

[RealAccountant]

Anyone else remember the Summer of 2005? At least fans had minor league number reasons to believe in things that .329/.427/.380 month.

 

Odog?

[nextyear]

Anyone else remember the Summer of 2005? At least fans had minor league number reasons to believe in things that .329/.427/.380 month.

 

Aaron Hill? I don't remember it but checked fangraphs - http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6104&position=2B

[RealAccountant]

Hill was a good 2B

[nextyear]

Goins is the best defensive 2nd baseman in bluejays history.

 

I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. Robbie Alomar is in the Hall of Fame, however his defensive stats aren't as good as Ryan Goins' defensive stats. (if you really are talking about defensive numbers)

Roberto Alomar - http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=860&position=2B

Ryan Goins - http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9807&position=2B/SS

[dineke]

he's probably talking about russ adams

[TheHurl]

Aaron Hill? I don't remember it but checked fangraphs - http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6104&position=2B

 

 

Hill started huge out of the gate and slowed down that year. I was referring to Russ Adams. By the end of 2005 Jays fans were ready to forget the Michael Young trade. Followed up with a 54 wRC in 06. Just saying that considering how small the change Goins made was, it's as likely he returns to the 50 wRC rather than stabilizing near 90.

[RealAccountant]

Hill started huge out of the gate and slowed down that year. I was referring to Russ Adams. By the end of 2005 Jays fans were ready to forget the Michael Young trade. Followed up with a 54 wRC in 06. Just saying that considering how small the change Goins made was, it's as likely he returns to the 50 wRC rather than stabilizing near 90.

 

Adams made a lot of errors iirc. Didn't he set the record ?

[TheHurl]

Adams made a lot of errors iirc. Didn't he set the record ?

 

not comping the players...comping the buying in on the type of hitters the players actually are based on a month of numbers. Sometimes hitters magically find "it" but often bad hitters just remain bad hitters.

[Caper]

I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. Robbie Alomar is in the Hall of Fame, however his defensive stats aren't as good as Ryan Goins' defensive stats. (if you really are talking about defensive numbers)

Roberto Alomar - http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=860&position=2B

Ryan Goins - http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9807&position=2B/SS

 

 

No I'm not being sarcastic at all. I really think he's the best Jays defensive 2nd baseman I have ever seen. I mean over all he probably doesn't crack the top 10. But pure defense, he's the best I've seen. Overall, this is the best Jays defensive infield I've seen (with Smoak at 1st). I think all across the infield every player is in the conversation for top 3 best regular jays defenders for their position. Would be interesting to go down the list.

[G-Snarls]

No I'm not being sarcastic at all. I really think he's the best Jays defensive 2nd baseman I have ever seen. I mean over all he probably doesn't crack the top 10. But pure defense, he's the best I've seen. Overall, this is the best Jays defensive infield I've seen (with Smoak at 1st). I think all across the infield every player is in the conversation for top 3 best regular jays defenders for their position. Would be interesting to go down the list.

 

I watched Alomar play and I agree - Goins is as good or better defensively. Alomar was flashier. And a much better hitter. But in terms of purely making outs? Goins is about as good as it gets.

[nextyear]

not comping the players...comping the buying in on the type of hitters the players actually are based on a month of numbers. Sometimes hitters magically find "it" but often bad hitters just remain bad hitters.

 

You might be right but I feel certain that Goins improved offensive numbers are related to his greatly improved BB%. As long as Goins remains patient at the plate and swings at mostly pitches in the strike zone then his offensive numbers should continue to be good.

 

I will check later, but I wonder if a player like Bautista was as patient at the plate earlier in his career as he is now.

 

I hope that Goins will continue to be as patient at the plate as he is now.