Aaron Loup to AAA. Corresponding move?

[BigCecil]

Did you notice that no player commented on his departure at the time and he didn't look well received by the players when Oakland was here. They basically ignored him.

 

That's what Wilner said. The fact is the focus was on Reyes because of the affinity to Jose and Edwin and the fact he is/was a much more established star.

 

I didn't respect Wilner that much before he said that but I thought that was a cheap shot inference based on twitter feed or lack thereof.

[Dr. Dinger]

WHY THE f*** DID WE DFA VALENCIA

 

Our bench has been a steaming pile of turd ever since.

[ElNik2013]

WHY THE f*** DID WE DFA VALENCIA

 

Our bench has been a steaming pile of turd ever since.

 

 

BTS tried to explain why, but I guess everyone's ignoring Rays' fans these days.

[Dr. Dinger]

I thought Philly picked up the rest of Revere's salary for 2015?

[Nabru]

If the clubhouse cancer thing was a reality, they had lots of time to trade Valencia for something of value before July 31.

 

Welcome back Josh Thole or Zeke Carerra.

[dineke]

lol @ the 'Valencia was bad in the clubhouse' narrative. AA didn't want to DFA Valencia. That was obvious from listening to him. Valencia was likely given the boot because Gibbons though other guys were better, or because Valencia makes almost 4 times league min and they were so maxed out that they couldn't even take on Revere's contract.

 

Why is Gibby making GM decisions though?

[Dr. Dinger]

BTS tried to explain why, but I guess everyone's ignoring Rays' fans these days.

 

I don't want to read that speculation.

 

Valencia got DFAed because he's gay and Gibbons is a homophobe.

[ElNik2013]

I thought Philly picked up the rest of Revere's salary for 2015?

 

 

Yes, that's correct. And that means the team's budget was maxed out.

[Dr. Dinger]

Yes, that's correct. And that means the team's budget was maxed out.

 

So what does that have to do with Valencia?

[ElNik2013]

So what does that have to do with Valencia?

 

 

Well, as BTS said, they either wanted to save some $ or Gibbons preferred someone else on the team, including an 8th reliever.

[Dr. Dinger]

Well, as BTS said, they either wanted to save some $ or Gibbons preferred someone else on the team, including an 8th reliever.

 

We'd have saved like $500K and put it towards nothing? I seriously doubt it had anything to do with money.

[ElNik2013]

We'd have saved like $500K and put it towards nothing? I seriously doubt it had anything to do with money.

 

 

Then you have to think AA decided to let Gibbons make the decision. AA has a history of hanging on to players who were out of options, sometimes to the team's detriment.

 

There's also the stuff about his not being well-liked in clubhouse. Some have pointed out how there were well wishes for Reyes, but not much for Valencia.

 

I lean towards Gibbons deciding Colabello was his guy and wanting an 8-man pen.

[flafson]

We'd have saved like $500K and put it towards nothing? I seriously doubt it had anything to do with money.

 

Did we really save any money though? We took on Price salary, that was probably an extra 8M for the rest of the year.

[SAAviour]

Valencia looked like he liked having fun on the bench, Tulo and Donaldson don't have time for that s***. Tulo and Donaldson have fun dousing each other in champagne and that's it, the rest is f***ing business.

[o2cui2i]

Well, as BTS said, they either wanted to save some $ or Gibbons preferred someone else on the team, including an 8th reliever.

 

or DV didn't want to be a glorified pinch hitter.

[Dylan]

Don't buy this at all. It was clearly stupidity as to why he was dropped.

 

The guy was productive and could play multiple spots. Now they're making the move they should have in the first place and possibly bringing up someone worse than Valencia.

 

My friend was talking to the clubhouse manager and he said he had a pretty bad attitude with the jays, and his playing time.

 

They did the mature thing and left it quiet to the media. Shi and someone else briefly mentioned it but that was all.

[jaysfan2014]

My friend was talking to the clubhouse manager and he said he had a pretty bad attitude with the jays, and his playing time.

 

They did the mature thing and left it quiet to the media. Shi and someone else briefly mentioned it but that was all.

 

Wouldn't be the first time. It's rumored he had attitude issues when he was with the Twins.

[Dick_Pole]

Alex, at least in the last year or so, has shown he's not f***ing stupid. They wouldn't drop Valencia then pick up Pennington a few moments later without good reason. We're talking about a guy who might be able to bring you 1-2 WAR in a platoon role over the course of a season. If he was that much of a pain in the ass to deal with, for whatever reason, then give him his walking papers for the final third of the year.

[Spanky99]

Alex, at least in the last year or so, has shown he's not f***ing stupid. They wouldn't drop Valencia then pick up Pennington a few moments later without good reason. We're talking about a guy who might be able to bring you 1-2 WAR in a platoon role over the course of a season. If he was that much of a pain in the ass to deal with, for whatever reason, then give him his walking papers for the final third of the year.

 

It's the only reasonable explanation, where there's smoke, there's fire.

[ElNik2013]

Did we really save any money though? We took on Price salary, that was probably an extra 8M for the rest of the year.

 

 

The point about the budget is after taking on Price's salary. It was rumoured all along that AA had set aside some budget space for the trade deadline so that was likely taken up by Price's salary.

 

Anyway, interesting to read some of the stuff regarding Valencia. It does seem like not many Jays had much to say about his departure.

[RealAccountant]

Then you have to think AA decided to let Gibbons make the decision. AA has a history of hanging on to players who were out of options, sometimes to the team's detriment.

 

There's also the stuff about his not being well-liked in clubhouse. Some have pointed out how there were well wishes for Reyes, but not much for Valencia.

 

I lean towards Gibbons deciding Colabello was his guy and wanting an 8-man pen.

 

You don't have to think that

It was explicitly reported that AA left the decision to Gibby who chose to let Valencia go

 

I would keep Cola over Valencia. We all know what Valencia is. We don't know how good Colas bat is

[Candy Maldonado]

I would keep Cola over Valencia. We all know what Valencia is.

 

anti-semite

[Swervin81]

We'd have saved like $500K and put it towards nothing? I seriously doubt it had anything to do with money.

 

It's not just this year for money, though. Think of next year. Cola isn't even arb eligible for another 2 years while Valencia is already making $1.6M and with the season he's had, will probably get a hefty raise in arb. We're talking about him probably making double what he's making now, so you're likely saving just around $3M next year not having Valencia, which can go to FA or the Price pool.

[JFD]

great news. hopefully we never see him in a Blue Jays uniform again.

[fapaholic]

Alex, at least in the last year or so, has shown he's not f***ing stupid. They wouldn't drop Valencia then pick up Pennington a few moments later without good reason. We're talking about a guy who might be able to bring you 1-2 WAR in a platoon role over the course of a season. If he was that much of a pain in the ass to deal with, for whatever reason, then give him his walking papers for the final third of the year.

 

Except Pennington replaced Kawasaki not Valencia. They kept an extra pitcher they barely used instead of Valencia.

 

I still don't buy this story about him being a pain. He seemed happy and was clearly surprised and pissed about being dfa'd.

 

...and since when did wanting to play more become a bad thing anyway. You should want guys like that.

Getting rid of a guy for wanting to play seems exceedingly stupid. His contributions to the team should be more important than him asking to play more and we don't know that he complained at all anyway.

 

Seems like this story is just contrived garbage to justify what they soon realized was a stupid move.

[Belliss101]

A lot of butt hurting about Valencia. Who gives a damn??? And Valencia is certainly not > Colabello -- wake up guys.

[AdamLindsMom]

The worst part about dfa'ing Valencia was not trading him 1 day earlier. The guy has value and AA was too busy wacking off to Ben revere

[Deadpool]

A lot of butt hurting about Valencia. Who gives a damn??? And Valencia is certainly not > Colabello -- wake up guys.

 

Wut? Valencia is clearly > Collabello.

[BigCecil]

Alex, at least in the last year or so, has shown he's not f***ing stupid. They wouldn't drop Valencia then pick up Pennington a few moments later without good reason. We're talking about a guy who might be able to bring you 1-2 WAR in a platoon role over the course of a season. If he was that much of a pain in the ass to deal with, for whatever reason, then give him his walking papers for the final third of the year.

 

It's the only reasonable explanation, where there's smoke, there's fire.

 

Not always. Sometimes where there is smoke there is just poor roster management and decision making.

 

I buy Danny V may have wanted to play more but that doesn't translate into clubhouse cancer imo.

[Pulk_Pull]

Not always. Sometimes where there is smoke there is just poor roster management and decision making.

 

I buy Danny V may have wanted to play more but that doesn't translate into clubhouse cancer imo.

 

No, but given the Revere trade, Pennington acquisition (something hinted at byAA during the DFA process) and EE/Cola split at DH, his playing time would only decrease over the next two months. If there were already issues regarding his PT it would only get worse. Furthermore, we don't know what goes on in the clubhouse, so the posters not buying the clubhouse reason don't need to buy it, they just need to understand it is a possibility (not you BigCecil, just in general).

 

Either way, I think optioning Loup was the better choice; even if it was only for a week before Pennington arrived. I like the idea of giving JD some bench days or having a serviceable backup at third (with a bat) that doesn't currently occupy a starting spot in the top 9.

Edited August 17, 2015 by Pulk_Pull
Updated per KingKat's point around options for Loup