Tulo and Hawkins to the Jays for Reyes, Castro, Hoffman and Tinoco

[Jimcanuck]

Let's look at this trade as 3 separate deals:

 

Would you do Tinoco for Hawkins?

 

Would you trade Castro to get rid of Reyes's salary?

 

Would you trade Hoffman for Tulo?

 

No, no, and yes

[HERPDERP]

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/mlb/toronto-blue-jays-new-shortstop-troy-tulowitzki-hits-homer-two-doubles-in-win-over-philadelphia-phillies

 

I love Tulo's no BS, straight honesty attitude

 

“I have nothing but good things to say about him,” Tulowitzki said. “Jose brings energy to the ballpark every day. It seems like his teammates love him, so it definitely puts me in a tough situation.

 

“At the same time, I know what I can do. I know what I’m about. I’m confident in myself as a person and teammate, so I think the guys will come to see what I bring. Not force the issue, (but) let them judge for themselves and we’ll talk about the difference between me and Jose when the season’s over.”

[RealAccountant]

Holy s*** this trade looks bad.

[Rusty_Savage]

Holy s*** this trade looks bad.

 

Ohhhh f*** off would you

[RealAccountant]

s*** sorry mate. That was a pathetic bump on my part obviosuly looking for attention

 

Apologies

[Stangstag]

God damn you guys are insufferable sometimes. I have this douche on ignore and i can still see his idiotic updates

[Krylian]

God damn you guys are insufferable sometimes. I have this douche on ignore and i can still see his idiotic updates

 

Me too.

[Nafro]

God damn you guys are insufferable sometimes. I have this douche on ignore and i can still see his idiotic updates

 

Yeah I have to see the s*** he writes still when people reply to his bull s***.

[Nafro]

Lol this trade looks great for us. Reyes is suspended, Tinoco has thrown nothing but gasoline on a tire fire this year. So we were able to get out from under a 22 million dollar contract for a player not playing cause he's suspended, for one of the best short stops baseball. We gave them one top pitching prospect, and a shut down reliever. It would be worth that to not have 22 million of dead money on our roster.

 

This was a good trade for both sides.

[burlingtonbandit]

Lol this trade looks great for us. Reyes is suspended, Tinoco has thrown nothing but gasoline on a tire fire this year. So we were able to get out from under a 22 million dollar contract for a player not playing cause he's suspended, for one of the best short stops baseball. We gave them one top pitching prospect. It would be worth that to not have 22 million of dead money on our roster now.

 

You mean it looks bad for Colorado I hope. Otherwise your clearly a f***tard, and deserving of one of the few people I ignore on this site.

 

People seem to forget the massive boost the Jays got last year. I think most people would agree the Jays don't make the playoffs if that trade doesn't happen.

[Nafro]

People seem to forget the massive boost the Jays got last year. I think most people would agree the Jays don't make the playoffs if that trade doesn't happen.

 

Lol you replied before I could finish my edit.

[Stangstag]

The only reason this trade would be bad is if Tulo becomes a below-average hitter. Tulo has an additional 3 years on his contract compared to Reyes, but at least Tulo plays great defense. Reyes would have been a dumpster fire for 2016/2017.

 

Castro could be a decent starter, and Hoffman has great upside, but Tulowitzki is a premium player at a premium position.

[Jonn]

Holy s*** this trade looks bad.

 

We Got

Edited October 11, 2017 by TheHurl

[KingKat]

The only reason this trade would be bad is if Tulo becomes a below-average hitter. Tulo has an additional 3 years on his contract compared to Reyes, but at least Tulo plays great defense. Reyes would have been a dumpster fire for 2016/2017.

 

Castro could be a decent starter, and Hoffman has great upside, but Tulowitzki is a premium player at a premium position.

 

Tulo will rebound offensively too probably. Someone pointed out the other day that Votto went through a similar post injury dry spell but now that he's closer to 100%, he looks a lot like the old Votto.

[burlingtonbandit]

Considering Reyes turned out to be like $40 Million of dead money you could say we got Tulo for 5/60 for Hoffman, Tinico, and Castro in a way. Hoffman looks pretty good but I'm not confident the Rockies will even be able to the same level of value out of the pitchers that a different Org. would.

[dineke]

Tulo will rebound offensively too probably. Someone pointed out the other day that Votto went through a similar post injury dry spell but now that he's closer to 100%, he looks a lot like the old Votto.

 

Votto during his post injury dry spell still had an OBP near .400. lol what a beast

[KingKat]

Votto during his post injury dry spell still had an OBP near .400. lol what a beast

 

Yeah "similar dry spell" is a stretch. I should have just said "a dry spell after a similar injury".

[Laika]

Tulo will rebound offensively too probably. Someone pointed out the other day that Votto went through a similar post injury dry spell but now that he's closer to 100%, he looks a lot like the old Votto.

 

Yeah he hit like 5 home runs in half a season and had a sub .800 OPS. Also the leg injuries seemed chronic. That was the point that I bought him in the DDL.

[TheHurl]

I'm buying a Tulo jersey this week!!!!

 

I'm buying a Souza Jr. in the off-season. We'll see which one is more liked in 2 years.

 

I never did get my Souza Jr. jersey...but I know which one I'd rather have now. Who has put up more Wins since the trade...Tulo or Reyes? I'd have to guess it's close.

[bones10]

I never did get my Souza Jr. jersey...but I know which one I'd rather have now. Who has put up more Wins since the trade...Tulo or Reyes? I'd have to guess it's close.

 

He's honestly unwatchable at the plate, he seems to pop up on the infield at least once a night.

 

I'm surprised his defense hasnt fallen off though, it saved him in 2016 from not having an awful season, but if that goes down the drain we're looking at another bautista.

[TheHurl]

and was a year younger than Tulo is right now. Tulo won't ever be hated here though...cause he's white.

 

He didn't hit hated status...just forgotten.

[Bobthe4th]

I never did get my Souza Jr. jersey...but I know which one I'd rather have now. Who has put up more Wins since the trade...Tulo or Reyes? I'd have to guess it's close.

 

Not really: Tulo = 4.3 and Reyes = 2.9.

 

It's only that close because this year Tulo had zero WAR and Reyes somehow put up 2 WAR when his career looked done after being released by the Rockies.

 

Tulo was a 3 WAR player in 2016 (2.9).

[TheHurl]

Not really: Tulo = 4.3 and Reyes = 2.9.

 

It's only that close because this year Tulo had zero WAR and Reyes somehow put up 2 WAR when his career looked done after being released by the Rockies.

 

Tulo was a 3 WAR player in 2016 (2.9).

 

Are you looking at fWAR? Cause I have it at 3.7 for Tulo and 3.3 for Reyes. Since the trade I think Tulo has been an 94 wRC+

[Bobthe4th]

Are you looking at fWAR? Cause I have it at 3.7 for Tulo and 3.3 for Reyes. Since the trade I think Tulo has been an 94 wRC+

 

Yeah you're not including the remainder of 2015 after the trade when Reyes was -0.4. Tulo was 1.4, added to his 2.9 in 2016 = 4.3.

[saskjayfan]

Are you looking at fWAR? Cause I have it at 3.7 for Tulo and 3.3 for Reyes. Since the trade I think Tulo has been an 94 wRC+

 

and let me guess...at the time of the trade you predicted Tulo would put a 94 wRC+ over his next 2 and a half seasons. So what do you predict Tulo's wRC+ will be next year?

[Jimcanuck]

and let me guess...at the time of the trade you predicted Tulo would put a 94 wRC+ over his next 2 and a half seasons. So what do you predict Tulo's wRC+ will be next year?

 

that can't be predicted. we know he is capable of 120, even higher, or he could continue to decline to 90 or less. Gun to my head, 95 is a reasonable prediction. With declining range in the field.

[glory]

and let me guess...at the time of the trade you predicted Tulo would put a 94 wRC+ over his next 2 and a half seasons. So what do you predict Tulo's wRC+ will be next year?

 

Predicting decline for an injury prone player in his 30's is pretty reasonable. Even at the time of the trade it was clear the Jays were getting Tulo's twilight. It was just a matter of how many good years he had left before he fell off.

[BTS]

Man I took a beating in this thread.

[BTS]

ITT: Retards complain about trading a struggling TJS recoveree for the hands-down best SS on Earth. Now I've seen it all.

 

lol

[Dr. Dinger]

lol

 

Newsflash for ya: Jeff Hoffman f***ing blows.