John Gibbons Thread (+ Venting)

[TilsonBritoFan]

The one thing that needed to happen after all these moves was to fire Gibby. When your run differential is +100 and you are .500 its because you are always losing the close games. In a small sample size you could attribute that to luck, but in a large sample size that can be indicative of the manager. Constantly making poor decisions in close games.

 

Gibbons teams going back to his first go around with the Jays have consistently under-performed in this area.

 

Lets look at expected win/loss based on run differential each year starting in his first full year 2005: (Taking over for Tosca he went 20-30 in 2004 but I don't know what his pythag would be for those games...probably better!)

 

2015: expected win/loss 62-43, actual 53-52

2014: expected win/loss 85-77, actual 83-79

2013: expected win/loss 77-85, actual 74-88

2008: expected win/loss 93-69, actual 86-76

2007: expected win/loss 86-76, actual 83-79

2006: expected win/loss 86-76, actual 87-75

2005: expected win/loss 88-74, actual 80-82

 

Total expected win/loss% .536 , actual .507

 

This is terrible in a large sample size. How else to explain this other than he sucks?

 

f*** him he needs to go, if they don't win this year, he's getting canned for sure. If they do make it he's this year's Ned Yost - he'll get a bunch of props for sucking ass.

Edited August 2, 2015 by TilsonBritoFan

[Swervin81]

The one thing that needed to happen after all these moves was to fire Gibby. When your run differential is +100 and you are .500 its because you are always losing the close games. In a small sample size you could attribute that to luck, but in a large sample size that can be indicative of the manager. Constantly making poor decisions in close games.

 

Gibbons teams going back to his first go around with the Jays have consistently under-performed in this area.

 

2008: expected win/loss 93-69, actual 86-76

2007: expected win/loss 86-76, actual 83-79

2006: they were pretty much as expected

2005: expected win/loss 88-74, actual 80-82

 

f*** him he needs to go, if they don't win this year, he's getting canned for sure. If they do make it he's this year's Ned Yost.

 

Ned Yost with the Brewers:

2003: Expected 65-97, actual 68-94 (+3 gms)

2004: Expected 66-95, actual 67-94 (+1 gm)

2005: Expected 84-78, actual 81-81 (-3 gms)

2006: Expected 70-92, actual 75-87 (+5 gms)

2007: Expected 84-78, actual 83-79 (-1 gm)

2008: Expected 88-74, actual 90-72 (+2 gms)

Milwaukee average: +1.17 gms/season

 

Ned Yost with the Royals:

2010: Expected 63-99, actual 67-95 (+4 gms)

2011: Expected 78-84, actual 71-91 (-7 gms)

2012: Expected 73-89, actual 72-90 (-1 gm)

2013: Expected 87-75, actual 86-76 (-1 gm)

2014: Expected 84-78, actual 89-73 (+5 gms)

2015: Expected 59-44, actual 62-41 (+3 gms)

KC average: +0.5 gms/season

 

Total average: +0.84 gms/season

 

Ned Yost is one of the worst, if not the worst managers in all of baseball.

[Followthelight]

Hahaha. 1 game bruh.

 

He said it was a gut feeling...

[CrackerJack]

If Gibbons is gonna stack the top of the lineup by leading off with Tulo (with Revere batting ninth) then ya gotta give Gibby some props. How many other managers in the game (if any) would be smart enough to bat Tulo & Donaldson 1-2?

[TilsonBritoFan]

If Gibbons is gonna stack the top of the lineup by leading off with Tulo (with Revere batting ninth) then ya gotta give Gibby some props. How many other managers in the game (if any) would be smart enough to bat Tulo & Donaldson 1-2?

 

The issues I have with Gibby are bullpen management, calling for bunts sometimes, and who he chooses to put in the lineup on a given day.

 

How he orders the lineup seems for the most part, fine.

[TilsonBritoFan]

Ned Yost with the Brewers:

2003: Expected 65-97, actual 68-94 (+3 gms)

2004: Expected 66-95, actual 67-94 (+1 gm)

2005: Expected 84-78, actual 81-81 (-3 gms)

2006: Expected 70-92, actual 75-87 (+5 gms)

2007: Expected 84-78, actual 83-79 (-1 gm)

2008: Expected 88-74, actual 90-72 (+2 gms)

Milwaukee average: +1.17 gms/season

 

Ned Yost with the Royals:

2010: Expected 63-99, actual 67-95 (+4 gms)

2011: Expected 78-84, actual 71-91 (-7 gms)

2012: Expected 73-89, actual 72-90 (-1 gm)

2013: Expected 87-75, actual 86-76 (-1 gm)

2014: Expected 84-78, actual 89-73 (+5 gms)

2015: Expected 59-44, actual 62-41 (+3 gms)

KC average: +0.5 gms/season

 

Total average: +0.84 gms/season

 

Ned Yost is one of the worst, if not the worst managers in all of baseball.

 

Ned Yost makes some terrible decisions I agree, how they hell has he managed to win more of the close games that are required to end up on the + side? Are his teams really just that lucky to outperform their expected W/L with him at the helm? He must be doing some things right that I don't see.

[BTS]

If Gibbons is gonna stack the top of the lineup by leading off with Tulo (with Revere batting ninth) then ya gotta give Gibby some props. How many other managers in the game (if any) would be smart enough to bat Tulo & Donaldson 1-2?

 

Almost none. Most managers would have had Pillar leading off all year and then immediately inserted Revere.

[0ctobyte]

Don't really have that much of a problem with Gibbons. His bullpen management can be a head scratcher at times but I don't think he loses us games as much as people say he does.

[reedjohnsonfan]

Don't really have that much of a problem with Gibbons. His bullpen management can be a head scratcher at times but I don't think he loses us games as much as people say he does.

 

Agree! No manager is perfect, for the most part Gibbons doesn't seem to do anything extraordinarily stupid. He's better than the other crap the Jays have had... John Farrell, Cito, Carlos Tosca, all garbage managers.

[Followthelight]

Agree! No manager is perfect, for the most part Gibbons doesn't seem to do anything extraordinarily stupid.

 

Except he does daily, like batting colabello fifth, leaving RH relievers in who are struggling to face right handed hitters instead of bringing in lefties, etc...

[reedjohnsonfan]

Except he does daily, like batting colabello fifth, leaving RH relievers in who are struggling to face right handed hitters instead of bringing in lefties, etc...

 

Yeah but, relative to other managers around the league? From what I've seen he seems decent at least.

[CrackerJack]

Except he does daily, like batting colabello fifth, leaving RH relievers in who are struggling to face right handed hitters instead of bringing in lefties, etc...

 

up to this point in the season, hitting Cola 5th has been a mistake?

... it basically couldn't have worked out better so far

(and that's where Lou Gehrig ... I mean Justin Smoak would be when he's in there)

[ElNik2013]

I dislike his BP usage and have since last season and that's an area managers can have an impact on games. On the other hand, it could be a lot worse.

 

 

Same could be say of AA.

[glory]

Best overall talent since the WS days, and Gibbons will f*** it up. I think only once Gibbons is fired will people realize how much of a wasted opportunity this was. He wasted JPR's best years, and he'll do the same for AA. Just have to hope the next GM is not an internal hire, because lord knows after another 3-4 years of rebuilding, Gibbons will be hired again because he's a funny redneck who makes jokes.

 

At this point, I might take a different stance though. When AA said he left the roster decisions to Gibbons, and decided Valencia's fate based on that, I knew I was directing my anger at the wrong man. Gibbons is a moron, but all he did was say yes when a bigger moron offered him a job he had no business doing. Gibbons has made good teams underachieve for years. That's what he does. If the GM not only keeps him around but also makes roster decisions based on his input, then the GM is at fault.

[CrackerJack]

ballplayers are creatures of habit ... they follow routines religiously ... like predictability and don't like surprises

 

so now that Revere is the everyday LFer, Gibby will be rolling out the same batting order day in and day out

 

(just with Smoak & Cola being interchangeable, Navarro spelling Martin occasionally, and Tulo getting some days off from the turf)

[CrackerJack]

Best overall talent since the WS days, and Gibbons will f*** it up. I think only once Gibbons is fired will people realize how much of a wasted opportunity this was. He wasted JPR's best years, and he'll do the same for AA. Just have to hope the next GM is not an internal hire, because lord knows after another 3-4 years of rebuilding, Gibbons will be hired again because he's a funny redneck who makes jokes.

 

At this point, I might take a different stance though. When AA said he left the roster decisions to Gibbons, and decided Valencia's fate based on that, I knew I was directing my anger at the wrong man. Gibbons is a moron, but all he did was say yes when a bigger moron offered him a job he had no business doing. Gibbons has made good teams underachieve for years. That's what he does. If the GM not only keeps him around but also makes roster decisions based on his input, then the GM is at fault.

 

sucks to be a Jays fan knowing that if the team succeeds this season (gets to the division series) then the "moronic" manager will be back haha (love it)

[glory]

sucks to be a Jays fan knowing that if the team succeeds this season (gets to the division series) then the "moronic" manager will be back haha (love it)

 

Before the Tulo and Price trades, I would have been fine with the Jays missing the playoffs, firing AA/Gibbons, and retooling for 2016.

 

Now I have to root for them to win this year because lord knows how many years it will take them to be good again after this.

[RealAccountant]

Before the Tulo and Price trades, I would have been fine with the Jays missing the playoffs, firing AA/Gibbons, and retooling for 2016.

 

Now I have to root for them to win this year because lord knows how many years it will take them to be good again after this.

 

It is what it is

[CrackerJack]

brilliant decisions by Gibby to start Dickey on 3 days rest ... play the hunch with Cola today ... and think outside the box with Revere hitting 9th.

[Daniel Labude]

brilliant decisions by Gibby to start Dickey on 3 days rest ... play the hunch with Cola today ... and think outside the box with Revere hitting 9th.

 

Doesn't make up for yesterday. The Dickey start was because AA wants Price against the Yankees 4 times...nothing to do with Gibby.

[CrackerJack]

Doesn't make up for yesterday. The Dickey start was because AA wants Price against the Yankees 4 times...nothing to do with Gibby.

 

yes, because as has been clearly shown over the past 24 hrs (with Valencia, Revere etc.) , Alex makes all these roster and playing time decisions unilaterally without consulting Gibby ...

[o2cui2i]

Doesn't make up for yesterday. The Dickey start was because AA wants Price against the Yankees 4 times...nothing to do with Gibby.

 

I'm glad you are privy to such details. Please let us know more about the conversations you've heard AA and Gibby have.

[Daniel Labude]

I'm glad you are privy to such details. Please let us know more about the conversations you've heard AA and Gibby have.

 

I definitely will....just need to be careful. He gets all pissy when he misses a meal or when too much info gets leaked.

[DickeyJohnsonWang]

I love him every time he comes out and argues lol dude dont give a fk

[CrackerJack]

kudos to the ejected Gibby for coming back out from the clubhouse on Sunday to join his team for the melee on the field.

[BigCecil]

Funnily enough Gibby seems to be a better manager since we got:

 

An Ace

Tulo

Restocked pen

[baubau]

Funnily enough Gibby seems to be a better manager since we got:

 

An Ace

Tulo

Restocked pen

 

So you're saying teams make a manager and the manager doesn't make the team? What! Get out. The Maddon Fan Boys won't like this.

[Boxcar]

Yeah, doesn't matter much but Gibbons seems to be pretty dumb on the whole.

[glory]

Funnily enough Gibby seems to be a better manager since we got:

 

An Ace

Tulo

Restocked pen

 

Nah, he's still a moron.

 

AA just dummy proofed the roster. Even Gibbons can't mess this s*** up.

[Sammy225]

I honestly don't think a manager makes a difference. You look at some of the idiot managers in the past that have had success (Dusty Baker, Cito, Ned Yost, JF). A manager might win/loose you 2 games either way i could be wrong but just my opinion