General Jays Discussion 2015

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[Trouba95]

 

"YES!" - Hawk

[DuckDuckGose]

This team with a healthy Sto is going to be scary..

[Trouba95]

If he comes back, should he supplant Hutch or come out of the pen as the long man...like Adam Warren?

[HERPDERP]

If he comes back, should he supplant Hutch or come out of the pen as the long man...like Adam Warren?

 

The thing with Stroman is he won't be able to go long at all. 1st start, probably 80 pitches.

[Krylian]

I can't see him starting. Is there enough time to really get him 'stretched out' properly without rushing it?

[DuckDuckGose]

If he comes back, should he supplant Hutch or come out of the pen as the long man...like Adam Warren?

 

If he's healthy the plan is to bring him back as a starter http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/08/anthopoulos-marcus-stroman-could-return-in-september.html

[Krylian]

What DAY will he be back so I can buy tickets to THAT game?

 

It will be a Thursday

[G-Snarls]

I can't see him starting. Is there enough time to really get him 'stretched out' properly without rushing it?

 

Even if he can only go 5 innings I'd take him over Hutch for the last 3 weeks of the sea son. The bullpen no longer frightens me.

 

All presuming he looks good during his rehab games obviously

[Governator]

The thing with Stroman is he won't be able to go long at all. 1st start, probably 80 pitches.

 

With an expanded roster there are a lot more options though if he's on a strict pitch limit. If he goes 5 innings / start, Delabar will be quite excited for a chance to pitch again and/or Hutch during home games (because that's just how they'll play him). It'll be very interesting nonetheless what approach they take.

[Inklink]

Done

 

Can you get rid of the actual Jonn too?

 

just kidding Jonn! !

[G-Snarls]

Can you get rid of the actual Jonn too?

 

just kidding Jonn! !

 

 

LMAO

 

Good one

[G-Snarls]

With an expanded roster there are a lot more options though if he's on a strict pitch limit. If he goes 5 innings / start, Delabar will be quite excited for a chance to pitch again and/or Hutch during home games (because that's just how they'll play him). It'll be very interesting nonetheless what approach they take.

 

The big question will be if he makes the 25 man post season roster

 

I.hope he makes the decision easy for AA and Gibbons

[G-Snarls]

Stroman out of the pen in the post season would be bitchin'

 

Can you imagine how fired up he'd be coming in in a big spot in a division series???

[Governator]

The big question will be if he makes the 25 man post season roster

 

I.hope he makes the decision easy for AA and Gibbons

 

 

At the very least a BP arm, no doubt. Thanks for your contribution Schultz.

[AA1]

Looking forward to his triumphant return.

 

Question - doesn't he have to be on the play-off roster before end-of-month? Meaning they would have to decide before he's ready?

 

Also, does the predefined play-off roster include the WC game?

 

Forgive me, it's been too long.

[Governator]

Looking forward to his triumphant return.

 

Question - doesn't he have to be on the play-off roster before end-of-month? Meaning they would have to decide before he's ready?

 

Also, does the predefined play-off roster include the WC game?

 

 

I'm pretty sure there are different rules with DL players I could be wrong?

[ValiantJaysFan]

I'm pretty sure there are different rules with DL players I could be wrong?

 

I believe he would be eligible for the playoffs no matter when he returns because he's been on the DL. Could be wrong but I'm 99% sure.

[Captain Adama]

I believe he would be eligible for the playoffs no matter when he returns because he's been on the DL. Could be wrong but I'm 99% sure.

 

That's correct.

[AA1]

http://i.imgur.com/qmzX5nA.png

[HERPDERP]

So the Dodgers had the best odds at winning the World Series for the entire season, until last night:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/index.php?dispgroup=all&standings_sort=wspct

[ValiantJaysFan]

So the Yankees make up the final game that they have in hand on us tonight. And even if they win, we are still in first place due to head to head records, right? This is a good time to be alive.

[Trouba95]

So the Yankees make up the final game that they have in hand on us tonight. And even if they win, we are still in first place due to head to head records, right? This is a good time to be alive.

 

Go Stros!!!

[KingKat]

Even if he can only go 5 innings I'd take him over Hutch for the last 3 weeks of the sea son. The bullpen no longer frightens me.

 

All presuming he looks good during his rehab games obviously

 

I think I'd prefer to push Estrada to the bullpen. I love Marco. I though he could contribute for this team and I'm very glad he has but the fairy dust is wearing off. Pushing him back to his swing man role and maybe piggy-backing him with Stroman at first would make sense. It's a role Marco's familiar with. As for Hutch, I don't like the idea of denying him an opportunity to start in September unless a 5th starter really isn't needed.

[Brownie19]

I think I'd prefer to push Estrada to the bullpen. I love Marco. I though he could contribute for this team and I'm very glad he has but the fairy dust is wearing off. Pushing him back to his swing man role and maybe piggy-backing him with Stroman at first would make sense. It's a role Marco's familiar with. As for Hutch, I don't like the idea of denying him an opportunity to start in September unless a 5th starter really isn't needed.

 

Shouldn't there be as much concern regarding Dickey as there is for Hutch/Estrada?

[NotThatGuy]

So the Yankees make up the final game that they have in hand on us tonight. And even if they win, we are still in first place due to head to head records, right? This is a good time to be alive.

 

 

1. Contrary to in other sports where game outcomes translate into points, if a team is behind another team in wins, they don't have a "game in hand," even if they've played less games (or, at least, played fewer games than the number of wins they trail by). So, if the Jays were 69-55, and the Yanks were 68-54, then the Yanks would have "games in hand," because they could conceivably play those two games, win both, and then be ahead of the Jays at 70-54, having played the same amount of games. But if the Jays are 69-55, and the Yanks are 66-56, the Yanks wouldn't have 2 games in hand, because even if they won both, they'd still be trailing the Jays, at 68-56. "Game in hand" indicates a potential advantage, in sole control of that team.

 

2. No, the Jays wouldn't still be in first place due to head to head records. Since the adoption of the 2nd wildcard, tiebreakers for division titles and 2nd wildcard teams are play-in games. The Yanks and Jays would have to face each other on the diamond to see who advances to the playoffs. If the Jays had the better head to head record, they'd get home field advantage in that game, however. And if the loser would otherwise be a wildcard team, they still make the playoffs as a wildcard (as would be the case right now).

[MagicMike]

lol

 

http://cdn.meme.li/i/460x/ohdwm.jpg

[ValiantJaysFan]

1. Contrary to in other sports where game outcomes translate into points, if a team is behind another team in wins, they don't have a "game in hand," even if they've played less games (or, at least, played fewer games than the number of wins they trail by). So, if the Jays were 69-55, and the Yanks were 68-54, then the Yanks would have "games in hand," because they could conceivably play those two games, win both, and then be ahead of the Jays at 70-54, having played the same amount of games. But if the Jays are 69-55, and the Yanks are 66-56, the Yanks wouldn't have 2 games in hand, because even if they won both, they'd still be trailing the Jays, at 68-56. "Game in hand" indicates a potential advantage, in sole control of that team.

 

2. No, the Jays wouldn't still be in first place due to head to head records. Since the adoption of the 2nd wildcard, tiebreakers for division titles and 2nd wildcard teams are play-in games. The Yanks and Jays would have to face each other on the diamond to see who advances to the playoffs. If the Jays had the better head to head record, they'd get home field advantage in that game, however. And if the loser would otherwise be a wildcard team, they still make the playoffs as a wildcard (as would be the case right now).

 

See and I knew that, but I had only had two coffees before I posted that. I am now riddled with caffeine, have the shakes, and am in peak cognitive form and see my error.

 

Thanks for the correction.

[DuckDuckGose]

I think I'd prefer to push Estrada to the bullpen. I love Marco. I though he could contribute for this team and I'm very glad he has but the fairy dust is wearing off. Pushing him back to his swing man role and maybe piggy-backing him with Stroman at first would make sense. It's a role Marco's familiar with. As for Hutch, I don't like the idea of denying him an opportunity to start in September unless a 5th starter really isn't needed.

 

I think he lines up with Estrada's day in the rotation pretty well;

 

Stroman: Aug 21st, Aug 26th, Aug 31st, Sept 5th, Sept 10th --> 1st potential start after rosters expand

 

Estrada: Aug 27th, Sept 1st, Sept 6th, Sept 11th.

 

There is an off-day on September 3rd which is going to throw some things out of whack.

[burlingtonbandit]

I think he was kind of saying that.

 

My point is that a game winning home run is 1 run. What about the other 7 that came before? Are they less valuable? They didn't contribute to the outcome of the game?

 

Talking about it coming off a better pitcher isn't necessarily the case. A run in the first off of a starter, for example. Starters are better pitchers generally speaking. That's why they start.

 

I was comparing it to a meaningless run in the 9th of a blowout off a position player pitching. A homerun to put your team up 1-0 in the first inning is obviously very valuable. You don't think a homerun in a 10-0 game is worth less than a walkoff HR? Pitchers in blowouts usually suck and can be just grooving fastballs down the pipe.